Still no official author(s) on this one?

Still no official author(s) on this one?

Updated author listing: David Eitelbach, Russ Taylor, JD Wiker, Keri Wiker, and Hank Woon

It had better be magical!!! :p

Updated author listing: David Eitelbach, Russ Taylor, JD Wiker, Keri Wiker, and Hank Woon

Nepotism is alive and well.

It helps that Keri has a degree in history, is a long-time fan of dwarves, and is short.

It helps that Keri has a degree in history, is a long-time fan of dwarves, and is short.

... I make sure I have plenty of ice packs on hand when I visit her ...

I'm 6'1", Keri's about 5'2". Whenever we'd walk somewhere together (like in a mall), she'd fall behind an have to remind me to slow down. "I'm a dwarf, I have a movement rate of 6!!!"

Yes, my sister played 2nd edition AD&D. My old gaming group introduced her to gaming after I went off to college.

She also playtested 3rd edition (check your playtester credits, she was Keri Reynolds then) and was a player in Chris Perkins' campaign and Monte Cook's campaign. So she has some D&D cred. ;)

Woo! Officially outed on both titles on the same day! And I'm eagerly awaiting finding out what the awesome Wikers turned out for this title. October's going to be FUN.

Whoo-hoo! Go Russ!! It's great to see your name on two projects. I can't wait for both books!

Are there going to be any hot, dwarven chicks in this supplement?

Are there going to be any hot, dwarven chicks in this supplement?

M. Balmer wrote:

Are there going to be any hot, dwarven chicks in this supplement?

Bearded, hot dwarven chicks in chainmail bikini.... oooh, I can't wait for this one! :)

Are there going to be any hot, dwarven chicks in this supplement?

It's probably too late to make suggestions for content.. because at this point writing assignments have been handed out.

But I am going to anyway. If these are the folks in charge of dwarves, then I want to bounce what I've been wanting to see.

Specifically, a crafting class. Not like the Artificer, and something Golarion specific.

Back in the first days of Pathfinder, ideas were thrown out to see what would 'stick'. Some things like Chelish Devil Binders and Hellknights stuck very well indeed, all the way from just the Runelord's Players Guide..

But please review these concepts from the RuneLord's Players Guide too:

Golemworker: The golemworks of Magnimar is haunted by flocks of ravens, the favorite familiars of the construct creators who work within. The most obsessed golemworkers create their own homunculus familiars using the Improved Familiar feat (DMG, 200)

Mage Smith: In their fanatical devotion to crafting and imbuing the most perfect magical items, these dwarven magic-users frequently summon many types of owl familiars for their alert eyes in typically dimly lit forges.

But if he's not interested or unable to do it, I want to press my case that *somebody* do it.

Since Dwarves were mentioned specifically in relation to the Mage Smith, I think it would be a good class for this product.

If that other fellow wants to do the article, there might be an opportunity for a good tie-in with this book.

Thanks for listening!

Well, everyone finished writing this back in May, so it's a bit late to take the suggestion of a new class into account. :/

Well, everyone finished writing this back in May, so it's a bit late to take the suggestion of a new class into account. :/

But, the overall intent remains. I'm a fan crying for something to be fleshed out that was mentioned in the background once. It won't happen this time, but if I keep asking, maybe it will be included in some other future product.

But, if I don't ask, it surely will never happen.

So Sean, if you'll kick it around at some future date, I would appreciate it.

One last note on the sales pitch: Whether the gentlemen writing a third party artificer class does it or not.. I would like to see an offical Golarion character class that has an emphasis (but not exclusively so) on magic item crafting. But not the artificer. Seems like there's room enough in the campaign setting for one.

Thanks!

James, may I bodly suggest asking Ed Greenwood or Steven Schend or Eric Boyd to write this accessory? All of them are excellent authors and truly experts on "all things Dwarven" in the Realms. =)

some stuff about Ed Greenwood

Maveric28 wrote:

some stuff about Ed Greenwood

Lucky for you, as indicated in several places above, Ed is not working on this project. It's been penned by David Eitelbach, Russ Taylor, JD Wiker, Keri Wiker, and Hank Woon. Ed is, however, working on some other Pathfinder material to come out within the next year. Hope his involvement doesn't ruin it for you. After all, he wrote some stuff in the Campaign Setting hardcover and the whole 264 pages is completely worthless as a result.

Nah, not worthless. Just dry n' dull reading... good content, dry writing style. As a travel book writer, he'd probably be fairly good... he's not too terrible at world building, as I mentioned above. I just don't think he could tell a story to save his skin, not and keep his audience from yawning overmuch.

Maveric28 wrote:

Nah, not worthless. Just dry n' dull reading... good content, dry writing style. As a travel book writer, he'd probably be fairly good... he's not too terrible at world building, as I mentioned above. I just don't think he could tell a story to save his skin, not and keep his audience from yawning overmuch.

I just can't believe that in a collaborative book such as many of the sourcebooks Paizo releases, you or anyone else can even tell what sections are written by which authors unless expressly told by a table of contents or on these boards who wrote what. Out of two dozen authors on the Campaign Setting, what sections did Greenwood make "dry n' dull"? I'm curious to know which parts he wrote, so if you can enlighten me that'd be great.

You're riding hard there!

What he is saying is that he finds Ed Greenwood's fiction writing dry and dull and hopes that he won't find that same problem in any of the excellent PF stuff.

You could let Maveric28 know that EG contributed to the PFCS and it still rocks: y'know, reassure him that Ed's conforming to the PF house style when he writes PF stuff.

Or you could call him out on a technicality which almost wilfully misinterprets what he says... whatever?

Generally when I read a post headed Yoda8myhead I'm confident that it's going to be solid gold: not sure what happened here but some deep breaths are in order.

I'll chip three coins to the cavern in hopes of good traits for us dwarven mages!

I'll chip three coins to the cavern in hopes of good traits for us dwarven mages!

Oh gods above, please, NOT Ed Greenwood... gods, no! Yes, he's the father of the Forgotten Realms, and as a world developer and game designer I have nothing but respect for him. But I have recently finished plowing thru his new "Knights of Myth Drannor" trilogy and frankly, his writing style is quite possibly the worst I've ever encountered in the realm of fantasy writers. Dry, dull, unengaging, and hopping around from plot hook to plot hook, scene to scene with so much digression that it leaves the reader blinking against a dizzying array of blather that takes forever to say anything relevant. It was a horrible, simply horrible experience, and one of the wonderful things I was looking forward to about leaving D&D for Pathfinder (other than 4E sucking rocks) was never having to pay honest U.S. currency for another Ed Greenwood product again. Use him as a brain trust if you must, but PLEASE don't let him do the official write up on our beloved dwarves... or gnomes for that matter, gnow that I think of it. I'm gnothing if gnot consistent.

I think the distinction to make here is the difference between writing fiction and writing a sourcebook, which is, for all intents and purposes, world-building. Whether or not someone likes Ed Greenwood's (or anyone else's) fiction voice isn't really relevant in this discussion, since the book in question is neither written by Greenwood nor is it a work of fiction.

I am done with the discussion. Sorry if I came off as rude. I'm a little out of sorts of late.

Given that the request was for Ed to contribute to a roleplaying game sourcebook, I'm not even sure why the confusion between game books and novels came up. Given that Ed has had a hand in a lot of what is taken for granted in D&D in general, and not just in the Forgotten Realms, its kind of hard for me to not be a little bent out of shape by the emphatic plea for the exclusion of Ed's work.

Then again, I've recently been on EN World's boards, and I'm kind of tired of the apparent open season on Ed. And while the comment in this thread didn't thrill me, I do have to admit that it was mild compared to the shots being thrown at the man over on that site, with nary a moderators voice defending him either, even when the comments go from professional criticism to personal attacks.

Raises a mug of dwarven ale!
Here, here.

I am really excited about this one!

Wadd? Eich vaschtehn kä wodd. Awwa wenn dau so komisch schwätze duscht, mache eich dadd aach!

Sooner!:)

Looking forward to Paizo's take on good old dwarves!

If you know, dwarves tend to have a rigid caste system with nobility living in the nice stone carved out places and the commoners of dwarvenkind living in ramshackle tents and shelters in deemed to be useless tunnels in dwarven underground cities that would be awesome!

If dwarves would happen to have some of the most nefarious crime lords and indebted slavery through ones forefathers that would be even more awesome!

Oh! Oh and long flowing fields of barley surrounding the cities with dwarves carrying stacks of said barley ten times the size of themselves (make that not slowed down while carrying a heavy load count guys!), and a list of dwarven ales!

And info on steins, we need info on steins so bad!

edit: and I noticed some dwarven things have German and Dutch sounding names, or where that Duergar?

i need this, i need this so bad.

Pathfinder is almost like an addiction now!

Peebo

Looking forward to Paizo's take on good old dwarves!

Damit. I wish we could get a preview of the dwarven racial traits for the Trait rules of Pathfinder. I don't wanna wait another month before I can play my Aasimar who was adopted by dwarven parents!

M. Balmer wrote:

Are there going to be any hot, dwarven chicks in this supplement?

Bearded, hot dwarven chicks in chainmail bikini.... oooh, I can't wait for this one! :)

Really looking forward to the "Dwarves of Golarion" sourcebook (and not the "Dwarf Swimsuit Issue" that's Asgertrion is promoting). Always been a big fan of dwarves in fantasy, and I'm loving all the stuff Paizo's putting out for Pathfinder these days.

I've updated the image and description to match the finished product.

As a Dwarf player in Warhammer Fantasy, various MMOs over the last few years (stints in WoW, WAR, LotR, and DDO, all with Dwarf main characters), currently playing a Dwarf in PFRPG, and as a proud sporter of a long and thick beard inspired by my favorite fantasy race, I am eagerly looking forward to this supplement.

I thought this was coming out in November

I thought this was coming out in November

The 20 foot movement rate has delayed them again. But with hearty stamina, they press on.

I've updated the image and description to match the finished product.

Vic Wertz wrote:

I've updated the image and description to match the finished product.

It seems to have been corrupted and also dropped from the companions lineup page.

While I usually love Paizo covers, I must say that this one is a meh. It looks more like a Fire Giant companion...

What is the delay in getting this one out?

It's not back from the printers yet.

While I usually love Paizo covers, I must say that this one is a meh. It looks more like a Fire Giant companion...

While I usually love Paizo covers, I must say that this one is a meh. It looks more like a Fire Giant companion...