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A long long time ago ... (oh OK, it was only November), Vic Wertz (whose "new" avatar is not nearly as good as the old one) said that plans on including this in the subs had not been decided. Is there any news on this, or being that release is still 5 months away, is his comment still "official".
This will be the second book in the subscription, after the core rulebook.
A long long time ago ... (oh OK, it was only November), Vic Wertz (whose "new" avatar is not nearly as good as the old one) said that plans on including this in the subs had not been decided. Is there any news on this, or being that release is still 5 months away, is his comment still "official".This will be the second book in the subscription, after the core rulebook.
I hope we'll get an email advertising the PRPG Subscription.
well as someone pointed out she could use the support to stay off back problems
Bah. That only happens to feeble mortal backs.
I'm not sure where we said each critter gets two pages.
In the version of the text up there in the product description that I misread.
To my defense, the innovative design threw me off track, making me overread the full-page thing.
We wanted to be able to sell the book in USA bookstores, and in the USA, a lot of people have a deep, overwhelming fear of the nipple. Stories of nipple sightings are front page news, after all!
You know, for computer games, there are often several versions (at least two) - the normal one, and one for a market where there is an excess of people overly sensitive to something that is then taken out of the game (often for really ludicrous versions).
Any chance Paizo will do that, too? One version for the prudes from the US, and one for grownups from everywhere else? ;-D
Tharen the Damned
(Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)
We wanted to be able to sell the book in USA bookstores, and in the USA, a lot of people have a deep, overwhelming fear of the nipple. Stories of nipple sightings are front page news, after all!
You could publish the book with the bared Marilith but put a sticker in form of a bra on the possibly offending bits.
Now the "naugthy" DMs can enjoy the nippled Marilith (btw. does she also have six of them? I mean she has six arms after all...). And the more fashion minded can see her in a bra.Maybe even publish collectible bra's for her.
Might be a hit on the RPG market.
Hey!
I usually pontificate and don't actually have a question....
This time, let's call it a question.
One thing that has concerned me is that I'm running some 3.5 Paizo AP's. Right now, I convert monsters as best as I am able to PFRPG. When the finished rules come out, I'll convert fully to the Pathfinder rules.
When the Bestiary comes out, I'll be able to plug in most of the common monsters.
However, what about the monsters that are not in the Bestiary?
Like ol' Muck Graul from Pathfinder #3? He's a tendriculous. He might not make the cut in the book.
If that's true, I won't be mad.. but how will I convert him to PFRPG?
I guess I'm wondering if there will be anything (like and appendix) to help convert 3.5 monsters to PFRPG. Backward compatibility and all.
Wayne's an amazing artist! Sean, thank him on my behalf, too! (BTW, is he *really* your brother?!?)Depends on what you mean by "really."
Do we have the same mother or father? No.
Do we both like gaming? Yes.
Do I think he is a cool cat, and vice versa? Yes (I hope!)
Do we both like candy? Yes. :)
The mental imagery of you two doing a "Great Cornholio" at Paizocon '09 has me in stitches of laughter... :P
We shall sucker he and Wayne into the Great Cornholio Sugar-enduced Bender @ PaizoCON '09... :shakesfist*:Huh...and I thought what was at issue was what was meant by "brother"?
Can't believe SKR suckered you guys on April Fools...
You make me so sad I can't come...maybe 2010 will be better...A Paizo Odyssey, if you will.
Once this product comes out will you still be using supplements like the Advanced Bestiary in your adventures. Or will this book have all that we will need.
We'll be VERY likely to be doing a Bestiary 2, Bestiary 3, and so on. But we'll CERTAINLY continue to use other d20 products like Book of Fiends, Tome of Horrors, Necropolis, Advanced Bestairy, etc. in our adventures. That's part of the reason we wanted to stay compatible with 3.5, after all!
Once this product comes out will you still be using supplements like the Advanced Bestiary in your adventures. Or will this book have all that we will need.We'll be VERY likely to be doing a Bestiary 2, Bestiary 3, and so on. But we'll CERTAINLY continue to use other d20 products like Book of Fiends, Tome of Horrors, Necropolis, Advanced Bestairy, etc. in our adventures. That's part of the reason we wanted to stay compatible with 3.5, after all!
Which Necropolis, specifically, is this, if I may ask? I'm trying to get in either PEF or, if I'm very lucky, hard copy, the different books ya'll are using :)
Once this product comes out will you still be using supplements like the Advanced Bestiary in your adventures. Or will this book have all that we will need.We'll be VERY likely to be doing a Bestiary 2, Bestiary 3, and so on. But we'll CERTAINLY continue to use other d20 products like Book of Fiends, Tome of Horrors, Necropolis, Advanced Bestairy, etc. in our adventures. That's part of the reason we wanted to stay compatible with 3.5, after all!
Wow, that's great to hear... will you do (3E) PHB 2/Complete X-style of books as well? Maybe ste... I mean, er, *rewrite* some of the feats and spells for PF RPG? I personally wouldn't mind more options (Charging Smite or Bounding Assault being "Pathfinderized", for example), as long as there no added "sub-systems" or hundreds upon hundreds of prestige classes. :)
Wayne's an amazing artist! Sean, thank him on my behalf, too! (BTW, is he *really* your brother?!?)Depends on what you mean by "really."
Do we have the same mother or father? No.
Do we both like gaming? Yes.
Do I think he is a cool cat, and vice versa? Yes (I hope!)
Do we both like candy? Yes. :)
Aah, you bald and nasty man... you actually managed to trick me! ;P
Which Necropolis, specifically, is this, if I may ask? I'm trying to get in either PEF or, if I'm very lucky, hard copy, the different books ya'll are using :)Once this product comes out will you still be using supplements like the Advanced Bestiary in your adventures. Or will this book have all that we will need.We'll be VERY likely to be doing a Bestiary 2, Bestiary 3, and so on. But we'll CERTAINLY continue to use other d20 products like Book of Fiends, Tome of Horrors, Necropolis, Advanced Bestairy, etc. in our adventures. That's part of the reason we wanted to stay compatible with 3.5, after all!
Necropolis is a Gary Gygax mega-adventrue that was recently updated to 3.5 by necromancer games.
The best place to look for the books we use is in each product's OGL. The end of the OGL lists all the books.
Wow, that's great to hear... will you do (3E) PHB 2/Complete X-style of books as well? Maybe ste... I mean, er, *rewrite* some of the feats and spells for PF RPG? I personally wouldn't mind more options (Charging Smite or Bounding Assault being "Pathfinderized", for example), as long as there no added "sub-systems" or hundreds upon hundreds of prestige classes. :)
We probably will... but not nearly as often or as many times as WotC did.
I have to admit, this is the release I am most looking forward to right now.
I'm also happy mariliths got their groove back. 3E presented a cool look for them, but I prefer it as a variant rather than as the standard.
Every monster getting at least a full page makes me even happier though. That's one thing I really missed in the shift from 2E to 3E.
I have to admit, this is the release I am most looking forward to right now.
I'm also happy mariliths got their groove back. 3E presented a cool look for them, but I prefer it as a variant rather than as the standard.
Every monster getting at least a full page makes me even happier though. That's one thing I really missed in the shift from 2E to 3E.
Again... not every monster gets a full page. They all get at least HALF a page, with the vast majority getting 1 page and a few getting 2 pages.
Again... not every monster gets a full page. They all get at least HALF a page, with the vast majority getting 1 page and a few getting 2 pages.I have to admit, this is the release I am most looking forward to right now.
I'm also happy mariliths got their groove back. 3E presented a cool look for them, but I prefer it as a variant rather than as the standard.
Every monster getting at least a full page makes me even happier though. That's one thing I really missed in the shift from 2E to 3E.
Ah. That's cool though, some of those monsters are jerks anyway.
Again... not every monster gets a full page. They all get at least HALF a page, with the vast majority getting 1 page and a few getting 2 pages.I have to admit, this is the release I am most looking forward to right now.
I'm also happy mariliths got their groove back. 3E presented a cool look for them, but I prefer it as a variant rather than as the standard.
Every monster getting at least a full page makes me even happier though. That's one thing I really missed in the shift from 2E to 3E.
Amd how many pages are SILVER Dragons getting, James?
Amd how many pages are SILVER Dragons getting, James?1) We don't know yet, since we're still working on the RPG and haven't really focused on the Bestiary y et.
2) Even if we DID know, it's too early to reveal concrete info about the book. It's still months away.
~sighs~ Did Heathy, KC, Sebastian and all the rest bribe you to give me, errrrr......., us an half a page?
~GRINS~
P.S. - I was jsut messing with you, James. I figured that you had not quite gotten to the MM yet.
Amd how many pages are SILVER Dragons getting, James?1) We don't know yet, since we're still working on the RPG and haven't really focused on the Bestiary y et.
2) Even if we DID know, it's too early to reveal concrete info about the book. It's still months away.
~sighs~ Did Heathy, KC, Sebastian and all the rest bribe you to give me, errrrr......., us an half a page?
~GRINS~
P.S. - I was jsut messing with you, James. I figured that you had not quite gotten to the MM yet.
However long the silver dragons are, the t-rex's will have one line more ;}
Aah, you bald and nasty man... you actually managed to trick me! ;PThe funny thing is, I wasn't intending it as an April fool's joke--Wayne and I have been calling each other "brother" for years. :p
Alright, I'll forgive you... but just because you did such an amazing job on 'Gods and Magic'! ;)
(Seriously, that book is as good and well-written as the three FR "deity books", and I'm going to get a huge amount of use from it!)
I don't really have much of an interest in including replacement monsters for those missing from the SRD. I'd rather spend those pages supporting monsters that ARE in the SRD, or ARE available via sources like the Tome of Horrors in that we can support the monsters themselves, not their doppelgangers.
New monsters (either those based on myth or on literature or entirely brand new) will also be showing up in the Bestiary line. Some of those will fill niches that things like mind flayers and githyanki filled, but I'd rather see those niches filled organically and logically than try to duplicate them on purpose.
The intellect devourer, for example, fills the mind flayer role quite nicely in Golarion. And the denizens of Leng (see Pathfinder #6) make a pretty nifty replacement for the Githyanki. Yet both of those monsters are far more than mere "replacements." They're cool monsters with tradition and weight and history to them... unique tradition and history TO them. They have a reason to exist beyond replacing missing monster niches, and don't NEED to replace a monster niche to be justified. That the can fill said niches is secondary. Cool and neat, but secondary.
I don't really have much of an interest in including replacement monsters for those missing from the SRD. I'd rather spend those pages supporting monsters that ARE in the SRD, or ARE available via sources like the Tome of Horrors in that we can support the monsters themselves, not their doppelgangers.
Does this mean that the Proteans won't be in the Bestiary? What about Daemons?
Wow, that's great to hear... will you do (3E) PHB 2/Complete X-style of books as well? Maybe ste... I mean, er, *rewrite* some of the feats and spells for PF RPG? I personally wouldn't mind more options (Charging Smite or Bounding Assault being "Pathfinderized", for example), as long as there no added "sub-systems" or hundreds upon hundreds of prestige classes. :)We probably will... but not nearly as often or as many times as WotC did.
I'd kiss you, James, if you were an attractive female... so I'll just *hug* you instead! ;)
I don't really have much of an interest in including replacement monsters for those missing from the SRD. I'd rather spend those pages supporting monsters that ARE in the SRD, or ARE available via sources like the Tome of Horrors in that we can support the monsters themselves, not their doppelgangers.Does this mean that the Proteans won't be in the Bestiary? What about Daemons?
We aren't ready to list what will and won't be in the Bestiary yet. But the majority of what isn't in Bestiary I will probably end up in Bestiary II.
Hi James,
I don't know of this question has been answered elsewhere in this or another related thread, and I don't have time to sift through hundreds of posts, so please forgive me if the question is redundant...
1) This may be too late for the current Bestiary (hope not!), but in addition to alphabetical and CR listings of monsters, would it be possible for Paizo to include terrain, climate, and creature type listings of monsters? I'm a big fan of Expeditious Retreat Press' Monster Geographica books, and liked the way they used those additional categories (exception of climate) to list the contents of the book... I know that saves me alot of time during adventure design.
Thanks in advance for your time... looking forward to the release of the book!
1) This may be too late for the current Bestiary (hope not!), but in addition to alphabetical and CR listings of monsters, would it be possible for Paizo to include terrain, climate, and creature type listings of monsters? I'm a big fan of Expeditious Retreat Press' Monster Geographica books, and liked the way they used those additional categories (exception of climate) to list the contents of the book... I know that saves me alot of time during adventure design.
The monsters will be presented in alphabetical order, and that includes animals and vermin. Beyond that, I hope to be able to include an index of monsters, a list of monsters by CR, a list of monsters by creature type, and a list of monsters by terrain/climate. I'd also love to include some wandering monster tables; that actually might be a fun way to list the monsters by terrain/climate, actually. How much ROOM we'll have to do all this... I'm not sure yet. If we have to cut something, we'll probably cut the terrain/climate lists first, then the CR list, and so on.
Regardless of what we do with that whole thing, it'd also be cool to create an interactive list of monsters on paizo.com that combines name, page number, climate/terrain, CR, type, and all that in one big spreadsheet that can be sorted easy. Of course, that's also something that any fan with a spreadsheet program and some free time can create anyway, so chances are good that there'll be SOMETHING out there to satisfy that need even if we can't get those tables into the book... but I'm gonna be trying real hard to get them in the book anyway.