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...but as a preview... gnolls probably don't really make good PCs. They're in the same category as bugbears and lizardfolk... they have racial hit dice and as such are awkward when it comes to pairing up with the core classes. As far as I can remember, the gnoll is relatively unchanged from its SRD incarnation as a result.
It can be solved by removing the racial hit dice...
...but as a preview... gnolls probably don't really make good PCs. They're in the same category as bugbears and lizardfolk... they have racial hit dice and as such are awkward when it comes to pairing up with the core classes. As far as I can remember, the gnoll is relatively unchanged from its SRD incarnation as a result.It can be solved by removing the racial hit dice...
...which is something we didn't want to do, since gnolls are supposed to be monsters; that's their purpose in the PRPG. Removing their racial HD would also make them a lower CR, and we really tried not to tinker with CR scores since, from an adventure compatibility viewpoint, CR is the most important number in a monster's stat block.
Removing their racial HD DOES make them pretty workable as a player race, though, if that's what you're looking for.
...which is something we didn't want to do, since gnolls are supposed to be monsters; that's their purpose in the PRPG. Removing their racial HD would also make them a lower CR, and we really tried not to tinker with CR scores since, from an adventure compatibility viewpoint, CR is the most important number in a monster's stat block.
Removing their racial HD DOES make them pretty workable as a player race, though, if that's what you're looking for.
Absolutely.
And i agree on the CR statement.
Removing their racial HD DOES make them pretty workable as a player race, though, if that's what you're looking for.
Okay. Let me ask the master a question here regarding the gnoll. The group is split on ability score mods. I'm for keeping it +4 Str, +2 Con, -2 Int, -2 Cha. Others in the group think this is too powerfil for a player race and it should be scaled back to +2 Str, +2 Con, -2 Int (or Cha).
Thoughts?
Removing their racial HD DOES make them pretty workable as a player race, though, if that's what you're looking for.Okay. Let me ask the master a question here regarding the gnoll. The group is split on ability score mods. I'm for keeping it +4 Str, +2 Con, -2 Int, -2 Cha. Others in the group think this is too powerfil for a player race and it should be scaled back to +2 Str, +2 Con, -2 Int (or Cha).
Thoughts?
If you want to make gnolls a PC race, the first thing you should do is probably remove its racial Hit Dice. The second thing to do is to give them a net +2 to ability scores, likely by doing +2/+2/–2. I'd go with +2 Str,+2 Con, and +2 Int, since gnolls are supposed to make good rangers, and Charisma is probably more important for rangers due to their wild empathy (they already have plenty of skill points, so Intelligence isn't as important).
Yeah; a 15th-level ANYTHING human turned into a skeleton or zombie loses all of his abilities; there's no difference between a skeleton or zombie made from a 1st level human commoner and a 20th-level human wizard. There are (or will be) other templates that allow for 20th level skeletons.Question on the Skeleton/Zombie (and probably other templates like them).
It says that the base creature loses all class HD and most special abilities (except for any extraordinary special qualities that improve its melee or ranged attacks).
Does this mean that if (for example) a 15th level fighter is made into a Skeleton/Zombie, they would retain the fighter's Weapon Training abilities? Or a ranger's favored enemy/favored terrain?
Well there already is, for those who have Book of Vile Darkness, of course, as the Bone and Corpse templates are exactly just that. But I'm sure you meant a Pathfinder version :D
Well there already is, for those who have Book of Vile Darkness, of course, as the Bone and Corpse templates are exactly just that. But I'm sure you meant a Pathfinder version :D
We can't use the bone creature and corpse creature templates, so for our published products, those templates don't exist. We need SOMETHING to replace them.
Well there already is, for those who have Book of Vile Darkness, of course, as the Bone and Corpse templates are exactly just that. But I'm sure you meant a Pathfinder version :DWe can't use the bone creature and corpse creature templates, so for our published products, those templates don't exist. We need SOMETHING to replace them.
I'm aware of that. Legal stuff and all. Heh.
Now, I've heard a number of mentions of there being work on Bestiary 2. When is that due to be released?
And I dunno if someone here asked already, but what new linnorms are in Bestiary I? Any of them from the 2E Monstrous Compendiums? (like the Frost, Forest, Flame linnorms?)
Does anyone have an official release date yet for the Bestiary? It says October 2009 but I'm unable to find a date more specific than that.
Many things can cause delays in customs and delivery, so setting precise dates before things actually arrive in our warehouse generally doesn't work out. If you check the Product schedule page, though, you'll see that we're expecting it in mid-October; that's when we'll start shipping preorders and subscriber copies. The retail release date—and the date we'll begin selling the PDF to non-subscribers—usually follows about two weeks after that, so look for it in stores in early November.
I just looked at my order history and I saw that the expected date is now November, while the product listing still has the release date as October. As I am a bit close to the credit limit I want to make sure of the shipping date, can I get some clarification please?
It will almost assuredly ship sometime towards the middle of October, but as Vic said above, we don't have a firm date yet and ANYTHING can happen to delay this since the books aren't in our hands yet. But mid-October for a ship date is our best guess right now.
-Lisa
It will almost assuredly ship sometime towards the middle of October, but as Vic said above, we don't have a firm date yet and ANYTHING can happen to delay this since the books aren't in our hands yet. But mid-October for a ship date is our best guess right now.
-Lisa
Alright! Happy birthday to ME! Cannot wait for this book.
It looks like quite a few things changed, based on the summon monster lists. For instance, it seems dinosaurs might be coming down in HD or CR or both. And there are more dinosaurs. (Yay for me running the Savage Tide!) And monstrous vermin seem to be replaced by giant spiders and scorpions, possibly with different stats, given the DCs on the poison.
Want this sucker so bad it hurts.
Okay, Paizo says it's going to be released in October. Amazon.com says its going to be released in November.
Can somebody give me a confirmed release date that I can go down to my Friendly Local Gaming Store and purchase my copy of the Pathfinder Bestiary?
Amazon always has a release of at least a week later than the usual release dates Pazio sets if not longer wait time.
They really blew it with the core rule book so maybe they are being very conservative as well.
Sean
Okay, Paizo says it's going to be released in October. Amazon.com says its going to be released in November.
Can somebody give me a confirmed release date that I can go down to my Friendly Local Gaming Store and purchase my copy of the Pathfinder Bestiary?
Amazon is notoriously, famously, compulsively way the hell off with release dates on everything from pc games to dvd box sets to books to gaming material. I order things from them all the time, but I never *pre* order. I always default to believing any other source, including tea leaves and animal entrails, over Amazon release dates.
So I'd go with the Paizo explanation a few posts above yours'.
Amazon is notoriously, famously, compulsively way the hell off with release dates on everything from pc games to dvd box sets to books to gaming material. I order things from them all the time, but I never *pre* order. I always default to believing any other source, including tea leaves and animal entrails, over Amazon release dates.So I'd go with the Paizo explanation a few posts above yours'.
I agree re: Amazon and preorders. I learned the hard way with the Core book. There are some people that confuse when Paizo releases books v. when Amazon says it will be available.
I'm lucky enough to have a FLGS that gives a 40% discount for preorders...so I will be picking up the Bestiary cheaper than Amazon and probably before Amazon releases it.
Okay, Paizo says it's going to be released in October. Amazon.com says its going to be released in November.
Can somebody give me a confirmed release date that I can go down to my Friendly Local Gaming Store and purchase my copy of the Pathfinder Bestiary?
It won't be *confirmed* until it shows up in our warehouse, because there's still time for stuff to be held up in delivery. However, we currently anticipate that we'll begin shipping subscriber copies and preorders in mid-October, and the current estimated retail release date is November 4.
I'm lucky enough to have a FLGS that gives a 40% discount for preorders...so I will be picking up the Bestiary cheaper than Amazon and probably before Amazon releases it.
Whoa. Most retailers pay in the neighborhood of 50% of MSRP for their products, so a 40% discount means they're taking very little profit on that preorder. On the other hand, they're taking very little risk, but still... that's a deal that's hard to beat.
I was right on the cusp of subscribing to the PFRPG so I could net a print and pdf version of the rules, when a little math pixie snuck up on me an revealed that the subscription with shipping (and tax since I live in Washington) is *exactly* the same price as buying the $10 pdf online and then purchasing the print book through my local game store.
Pleased to be able to support my local game store without having to pay more for a product, that's exactly what I did.
I tell this story just in case it's not too late to influence plans on Bestiary pdf prices. If the pdf gets priced at $10 too, I can happily support my FLGS with a print purchase and still afford to buy the electric version.
Just in case.
After a looooong break from D&D RPGs I just recently "discovered" Pathfinder. I'm still pouring over the core rule book, but after sampling the tastey previews of this volume, I can't wait to get it. The artwork, the writing, everything about this book has me excited.
I feel a new campaign coming to my tabletop! ;-)
Is the Bestiary going to have split pricing for PDF / Paper?
I'm planing on getting the paper copy at my FLGS, but want to have the PDF as well.
I'll be wanting the PDF as well too. Just itching to get my copy of the Bestiary, Amazon says the 14th to 19th so here's hoping. I've yet to get anything as of their first estimated delivery date though.
Is the Bestiary going to have split pricing for PDF / Paper?
I'm planing on getting the paper copy at my FLGS, but want to have the PDF as well.
As with all of our Pathfinder products, the PDF is available for free to subscribers of the appropriate line only, granted when the corresponding subscription copy ships.
The PDF will be available for individual purchase on the retail release date, which is tentatively set at November 4.
Just checking in on something. Yesterday, the tap on my bank account showed the purchase price for my subscription copy of the Bestiary. In reading upthread, my understanding is that it's still expected 'mid-October'. I have always loved doing business with Paizo directly, and this was highlighted prominently with my Amazon order for the Core book.
But this is, to be honest, slightly unusual behaviour for Paizo. Being charged for something over a week in advance of its shipping expectation?
Could someone let me know if the pending charge on my WaMu is just a pending charge to verify I have cash on hand, or if I'm going to be actually charged well in advance of ship?
Sorry if this is on the wrong thread.
Cheers!
M
*EDIT* I just also noticed, after clicking post, that this has generated order #1241199. I'm still a tiny bit new to this, but I think that order numbers only generate when they start the push to ship?
Just checking in on something. Yesterday, the tap on my bank account showed the purchase price for my subscription copy of the Bestiary. In reading upthread, my understanding is that it's still expected 'mid-October'. I have always loved doing business with Paizo directly, and this was highlighted prominently with my Amazon order for the Core book.
But this is, to be honest, slightly unusual behaviour for Paizo. Being charged for something over a week in advance of its shipping expectation?
Could someone let me know if the pending charge on my WaMu is just a pending charge to verify I have cash on hand, or if I'm going to be actually charged well in advance of ship?
Sorry if this is on the wrong thread.
Cheers!
M*EDIT* I just also noticed, after clicking post, that this has generated order #1241199. I'm still a tiny bit new to this, but I think that order numbers only generate when they start the push to ship?
Mikhaila,
You should really post questions like this in the Customer Service forums, as they don't necessarily look in here for such things... but the answer is that when you sign up for a sub and A) it's your only sub or B) you elect to have your subscriptions ship separately, the system generates an order for your starting volume. At that time, your card gets authorized—but not charged—to ensure that your card *can* be charged for that item when it comes time to ship. So everything is functioning properly, and your card has not been charged.
Mikhaila,You should really post questions like this in the Customer Service forums, as they don't necessarily look in here for such things... but the answer is that when you sign up for a sub and A) it's your only sub or B) you elect to have your subscriptions ship separately, the system generates an order for your starting volume. At that time, your card gets authorized—but not charged—to ensure that your card *can* be charged for that item when it comes time to ship. So everything is functioning properly, and your card has not been charged.
That's two for two today, Vic! Thanks! In future, I will remember all that you have said here today, and again would like to thank you for putting my mind at ease.
I'm still waking up, or I'm pretty sure I would have filed that into the CS forum.
Cheers!
