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Grumpy linguistic moment:
** spoiler omitted **Wait...didn't you pull this demon/daemon thing in another thread? Stop it!
If it wasn't you...Stop it anyway!
Just to explain, here's the gist. By the by, I'm mentioning just so everyone knows what we were thinking and what goes on around here, NOT to imply that this is a matter where any sort of debate is at all relevant - we're not about to start retconing a half dozen books featuring our main NE fiends.
Daemon is the name we use because that's the name of the monsters in the Tome of Horrors. When we're working on Pathfinder and want to use one of these creatures, it behooves us to use the creatures' names when referencing them. Coming up with a new name for a creature - even if its something as simple or similar as "daimon" would be in this case - and referencing it like: "See the Tome of Horrors, page 55. The dergodaemon and the dergodaimon are the same creature," adds needless words and confusion. We can't assume that everyone would just assume the dergodaemon and dergodaimon are the same creature - because I guarantee if we did there'd be a thread asking all about what "daimons" are right fast. (By the by, it's not daimons, becuase daimons are forever.)
All of that aside. According to dictionary.com "daemon" and "demon" are pronounced the same way. All of us around here know that. That doesn't change the fact that we all refer to them as "day-mons" regardless. It's our word now, and that's the way we're rolling.
All of that aside. According to dictionary.com "daemon" and "demon" are pronounced the same way. All of us around here know that. That doesn't change the fact that we all refer to them as "day-mons" regardless. It's our word now, and that's the way we're rolling.
Today the dictionary, tommorow... your basement!
Will this book provide more explicit instructions, such as detailing the number and composition of candles necessary for a corrupting summoning ritual? I must have precise instructions this time, as my experience with Jacobs' Fiendish Codex did not go..ahem..as planned. There were, shall we say, slight complications.
That doesn't change the fact that we all refer to them as "day-mons" regardless. It's our word now, and that's the way we're rolling.Can I make a prior art claim on that? ;-) I've been using that pronunciation to distinguish them since 1st Ed was new.
Addendum: "Following the always trendsetting lead of Paul Ryan, we all refer to them as "day-mons" regardless. It's our word - that we borrowed from Paul - now, and that's the way we're rolling."
Better? :P
Grumpy linguistic moment:
** spoiler omitted **Wait...didn't you pull this demon/daemon thing in another thread? Stop it!
If it wasn't you...Stop it anyway!
Just for that, you have to go read the other thread through in its entirety, twice. (NB: I grumbled before that thread was started.)
Of course, retconing is what home adaptations are for.
I would love to have the Yugo..damn..Daemon book coming out as the second one. Demons have way too much love and attention so far - and FC1 is still one of the best WotC books ever (wonder if it has anything to do with those Mona and Jacobs people being responsible for it).
On the other hand, the 'Lot...damn !...Daemons have just the BoF, and Green Ronin's vision of "that third E outsider race" seems quite different from Paizo version, so here's to hope that the Daemons get their writeup soon.
Agreed, though hopefully the great beyond book will help.
We need more statblocks! One for each deacon and the astradaemon will cover the campaign setting. We're 2/5ths there.
Soon to be 4/5 ;)
Go ahead and begin the speculation. There's one full writeup and stat block I know of for certain, because I wrote the fluff bits. The other I'm inferring, because the monster in question makes an appearance, but I don't recall from the original draft I read if there were stats as well, and not sure on a full bestiary writeup, because I didn't work on it like I did on the other one I mentioned. I suspect it may be 3/5, but we'll see.
Agreed, though hopefully the great beyond book will help.
We need more statblocks! One for each deacon and the astradaemon will cover the campaign setting. We're 2/5ths there.
Soon to be 4/5 ;)
Go ahead and begin the speculation. There's one full writeup and stat block I know of for certain, because I wrote the fluff bits. The other I'm inferring, because the monster in question makes an appearance, but I don't recall from the original draft I read if there were stats as well, and not sure on a full bestiary writeup, because I didn't work on it like I did on the other one I mentioned. I suspect it may be 3/5, but we'll see.
Where?? Who?? How? Is it the vault of souls module? Do they have a Bestiary?
Otherwise it must be council of thieves... Or maybe the Final Wish... Ahhh!!! You tease! Daemons are my favourite!!
As recompense can you think of any good ogl, or especially book of fiends daemons that are a good fit? I find the sin thing throws me for using them in PF, and no-one has auras. I can add those as per cleric ideas though.. Hmm.
*sits in corner mumbling to self* Can't sleep, to excited, can't sleep, to excited, can't sleep, clowns will eat me, can- Whuh?
@_@
carmachu
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Speaking of Hell and the nine levels, how does this compare with Wizards' "Fiendish Codex II: Tyrants of the Nine Hells"? Also, does anyone know of any epic adventure/module that takes PCs through all nine levels of Hell (presumably, it would be a high-level adventure)?
The best crack at the Nine Hells I recall was a 2e module called "A Paladin in Hell". There was some stuff for Planescape that was pretty good as well. Dungeon likely had some stuff for the ol' 'Devils' Playground' as well, 'though more knowledgeable authorities than I would have to chime in on that.
Dark_Mistress
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I've updated the cover and description to match the finished product. If you don't see the fires of hell, clear your browser's image cache.
It seems that a lot of the product lines are undergoing some major changes to their cover templates. Will the removal of the solid colored bars here and on the modules continue? I love the new looks and hope you stick with 'em!
Dark_Mistress
(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)
Dark_Mistress
(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)
I've updated the cover and description to match the finished product. If you don't see the fires of hell, clear your browser's image cache.It seems that a lot of the product lines are undergoing some major changes to their cover templates. Will the removal of the solid colored bars here and on the modules continue? I love the new looks and hope you stick with 'em!
Have to agree I like the new style better myself.
Have to agree I like the new style better myself.I've updated the cover and description to match the finished product. If you don't see the fires of hell, clear your browser's image cache.It seems that a lot of the product lines are undergoing some major changes to their cover templates. Will the removal of the solid colored bars here and on the modules continue? I love the new looks and hope you stick with 'em!
Me too! That's a great cover! :)
I googled and went to his art home site. I liked his art work. For those curious the URL is here
Thank you for that! I've bookmarked it. Now we just need him to start publishing books of his artwork. He's got some fantastic stuff on there. The funny thing is, I've liked him for a while now but in my head see mostly his b/w stuff for Malhavoc Press. The color stuff is damn good too!
As for the book itself, I'm sure Wes did a bang up job; a real labor of love. Can't...wait...
You know how we can really make the popularity of PAthfinder bust loose?
Lets take a page out of 1980's TSR and send this to various news agencies and the religious keepers of our souls.
Once they see a book giving us new spells, and how to have Imp companions, and how to advance within the ranks of Hell PAthfinder will become the #1 RPG on the market in no time!
I've updated the cover and description to match the finished product. If you don't see the fires of hell, clear your browser's image cache.It seems that a lot of the product lines are undergoing some major changes to their cover templates. Will the removal of the solid colored bars here and on the modules continue? I love the new looks and hope you stick with 'em!
That's more or less the plan for now, yes!