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Pathfinder Chronicles: Classic Monsters Revisited (OGL)
Paizo Publishing, LLC
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PDF:
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$12.99
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Print Edition:
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$17.99
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Pathfinder and the Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path famously reimagined goblins, detailing their culture, mannerisms, and tactics in a way that made a boring old monster one of the most hotly discussed foes in fantasy roleplaying. Now, the minds that bring you Pathfinder have applied the same method to ten "classic" monsters, providing complete ecological discussions and adventure ideas involving orcs, ogres, goblins, hobgoblins, trolls, bugbears, and more in this lavishly illustrated, full-color 64-page overview that is both fun to read and fun to use at the gaming table.
Designed for use with the Pathfinder Chronicles campaign setting but easily portable to any fantasy campaign, Classic Monsters Revisited is a resource gamers can turn to again and again.
Written by James Jacobs et al.
ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-079-7
Note: This product is part of the
Pathfinder Chronicles Subscription.
Are there errors or omissions in this product information? Got corrections? Let us know at
webmaster@paizo.com.
PZO1107
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Will the monsters in this book also appear in the Bestiary that will be coming out later this fall?
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Shadow13.com wrote:
Will the monsters in this book also appear in the Bestiary that will be coming out later this fall?
Per the list given in the Bonus Bestiary, yes they will.
I won't guarentee that the varients and/or fluff will be in there.
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Why is the PDF $12.99?
That seems pretty expensive considering the 578-pg PDF for the Core Rulebook was only $9.99.
What gives?
For an additional $5, you might as well get the actual print version.
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The PF Core book PDF @ 10 USD is one-of-a-kind offer, 13 bucks is a regular price for a 64 page Paizo pdf.
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Shadow13.com wrote:
Why is the PDF $12.99?
That seems pretty expensive considering the 578-pg PDF for the Core Rulebook was only $9.99.
What gives?
For an additional $5, you might as well get the actual print version.
Exactly ;-)
More seriously, the RPG PDF was sold cheaper to increase demand.
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Those Paizo scoundrels and their shifty marketing tactics...
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Shadow13.com wrote:
Will the monsters in this book also appear in the Bestiary that will be coming out later this fall?
Yes, but the Bestiary is nothing like this book.
Take the goblin, for example.
In the Bestiary, you'll get one page on the goblin, consisting of a quarter-page stat block, five paragraphs of flavor, a couple of paragraphs on goblin PCs, and a quarter-page illustration.
In Classic Monsters Revisited, goblins get six pages, including an overview, ecology, habitat & society, campaign role, treasure, goblin variants, goblins in Golarion, goblin names, goblin deities, typical goblin distractions, and the stats (which, since this book was published long before the Pathfinder RPG existed, are for 3.5).
It's kind of like the difference between looking something up in a dictionary and looking it up in an encyclopedia.
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Shadow13.com wrote:
For an additional $5, you might as well get the actual print version.
Yep, and well worth it. Get 'em while they're hot.
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Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Yep, and well worth it. Get 'em while they're hot.
Ok, you guys talked me into it.
It's pretty cool so far.
I was surprised to see Golarion-specific information about the monsters.
I was under the impression that Paizo was trying to make things universal.
Will the Bestiary also contain Golarion-specific info?
Since the core rulebook printed after Classic Monsters was published, will that affect/change any of the info in Classic Monsters?
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Shadow13.com wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Yep, and well worth it. Get 'em while they're hot.
Ok, you guys talked me into it.
It's pretty cool so far.
I was surprised to see Golarion-specific information about the monsters.
I was under the impression that Paizo was trying to make things universal.
Will the Bestiary also contain Golarion-specific info?
Since the core rulebook printed after Classic Monsters was published, will that affect/change any of the info in Classic Monsters?
Oooh, oohh I can answer this!
The RPG line is more generic. The Chronicles line is more world specific. (Frex, my hobgoblins/goblins do not have the same origins as theirs). That said, yes there are lots of cool ideas to borrow. Minotaur elders rock.
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Shadow13.com wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Yep, and well worth it. Get 'em while they're hot.
Ok, you guys talked me into it.
It's pretty cool so far.
I was surprised to see Golarion-specific information about the monsters.
I was under the impression that Paizo was trying to make things universal.
Will the Bestiary also contain Golarion-specific info?
Since the core rulebook printed after Classic Monsters was published, will that affect/change any of the info in Classic Monsters?
Yeah; ALL of our books are Golarion-specific, with the exception of the RPG line. And right now, there's only the Core RPG out in that line.
The Bestiary will also be world-neutral, but none of the monster flavor text in the Bestiary will directly contradict the info in any Golarion-products we've printed. In some cases, as with the skum, it builds directly off of Golarion flavor, but no proper nouns or locations or history elements from Golarion are included.
Things like goblins and ogres will be very at peace and work quite well with the Revisited line.
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Matthew Morris wrote:
Oooh, oohh I can answer this!
The RPG line is more generic. The Chronicles line is more world specific. (Frex, my hobgoblins/goblins do not have the same origins as theirs). That said, yes there are lots of cool ideas to borrow. Minotaur elders rock.
Aha.
So, the huge "Pathfinder Chronicles" on the front cover should have been a tip off, huh?
In the event that certain information in the Chronicles and RPG lines contradict each other, does the RPG override Chronicles?
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Shadow13.com wrote:
In the event that certain information in the Chronicles and RPG lines contradict each other, does the RPG override Chronicles?
There shouldn't be contradictions, since we also built the PRPG so that it works perfect (we hope!) with Golarion. If you're talking about rules content contradicting, then you should err on the side of the system you're using, be it PRPG or 3.5.
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I am excited about getting this book. Is it to be revised to new Pathfinder rules, or is this question even pertinent? It is more just cool strategies?
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Lonny Davis wrote:
I am excited about getting this book. Is it to be revised to new Pathfinder rules, or is this question even pertinent? It is more just cool strategies?
Each monster has a stat block that duplicates their stats from the 3.5 MM. But the other five pages of content each monster has is almost purely flavor; there's some crunch elements here and there but not much. It works VERY well with the Pathfinder RPG.
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James Jacobs wrote:
Lonny Davis wrote:
I am excited about getting this book. Is it to be revised to new Pathfinder rules, or is this question even pertinent? It is more just cool strategies?
Each monster has a stat block that duplicates their stats from the 3.5 MM. But the other five pages of content each monster has is almost purely flavor; there's some crunch elements here and there but not much. It works VERY well with the Pathfinder RPG.
Awesome. Looks like I need a PDF copy.
Thanks.
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James Jacobs wrote:
Lonny Davis wrote:
I am excited about getting this book. Is it to be revised to new Pathfinder rules, or is this question even pertinent? It is more just cool strategies?
Each monster has a stat block that duplicates their stats from the 3.5 MM. But the other five pages of content each monster has is almost purely flavor; there's some crunch elements here and there but not much. It works VERY well with the Pathfinder RPG.
...and you'll be able to find the PFRPG stats for each of these critters in the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary.
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The only thing that bugs me about it is the price: it's a tad slender for the cost. If it was a fiver, I would call it one of the great GM aids ever released for ANY fantasy RPG -- the fluff and art are absolutely first rate.
...but the PDF price tag is a bit stiff for me.
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Well, I just received this book and Dungeon Denizens Revisited today and I love em. Why is that all I can think of to say about every Pathfinder book I've seen so far is "I love it"? :-)
Seriously though, I've always loved the idea of "re-envisioning" monsters and these two books don't disappoint. I've also always liked the idea of delving further into the ecology of various so-called monsters. I think that's one thing way too many D&D players don't bother thinking about(at least in my experience)... these creatures exist for a reason. Granted, some of them are the result of insane wizardly experiments, inscrutable gods, weird prehistorical mana storms or whathave you, but the majority are as "natural" to a fantasy world as dolphins, fire ants, horses, vampire bats, etc are to our world. I love learning about the "why" of various monsters instead of just getting a physical description and a stat block.
I sincerely hope that this series continues... my next purchase is going to be Dragons Revisited and I soooo can't wait for Classic Horrors... wights, wraiths, ghouls, vampires and yay zombies! I love throwing the occasional zombie apocalypse/dawn of the dead style event into my campaigns. Who says fantasy gaming can't support zombie horror!
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