Well the more people who ask the more likely things will change ;)

On top of it, reprinting sold out volumes of Pathfinder causes competition for current APs, which we DO have stock of.

And I'm one of them. I went into a game shop yesterday resolved to only get one book. Though I found large amounts of Pathfinder material, and felt very tempted to get it, I ended up getting Universalis instead. If I'd seen any of RotRL I likely would have gotten that instead (or as well).

Though it is likely I will get Pathfinder products again in the future (the River Kingdoms AP intrigues me), most of your product doesn't compete well for my limited budget when compared to the vast quantities of other RPG material out there that I want (though Paizo does have the best publishing standards, hands down - even Nobilis doesn't come close).

Lisa Stevens wrote:

On top of it, reprinting sold out volumes of Pathfinder causes competition for current APs, which we DO have stock of.

I entirely understand that if something doesn't make financial sense, you just don't do it, but not reprinting in order to reduce competition for your current products I find annoying and a littel wrong-minded. Thematically, each of your AP's have been very different. What attracts me to RotRL has not quite been reproduced in any of the other APs. There may well be some people who will choose between RotRL and your current AP... but there are going to be more people who are choosing between Pathfinder and other RPG material.

As a sort of aside, I was interested in getting the AP Subscription last month, because I wanted both Printed and PDF. After inquiring if I could get past issues of the current AP with PDF with the same deal as receiving the current one, I was told I couldn't do that. As much as I love the APs, I am not paying $35 each for both AP and PDF (After Shipping costs)

So basically I will skip Legacy of Fire and wait for the new AP coming in Aug. It just doesn't make sense to me why they wouldn't want my money.

Hello! I am a latecomer into the Pathfinder series (much to my chagrin) but I have decided to run Rise of the RuneLords for my group. I have had some luck finding print editions of PF 2,4-6, but went ahead and bought 1 and 3 in PDF format since they are impossible to find at a reasonable price anywhere. I'm not complaining about having to do that, as these products are over 2 years old and I understand completely about keeping new product out and in the limelight.

I have only one complaint. The dpi quality of PF1 is quite poor, looking like simply a medium reolution jpeg scan as opposed to the crisp clean lines of PF 3. It really makes the maps difficult to read, and that honks me off since they are a central part of running the game.

Is there any reason that the resolution is so poor in comparison to PF 3? Are the original files that your printing company used for the initial print run gone? It's just frustrating that I spent the same amount for a mediocre quality scan of a fine fine adventure as I spent for the clean and high res file of PF3.

I recommend checking *Here* for higher res maps, battlemaps, drawings, and a ton of other excellent community created content. I too am running the RotRL AP a couple years late, which means the dead tree versions are harder to find, but it also means that the user community has been working on supplemental material for 2 years.

I have only one complaint. The dpi quality of PF1 is quite poor, looking like simply a medium reolution jpeg scan as opposed to the crisp clean lines of PF 3. It really makes the maps difficult to read, and that honks me off since they are a central part of running the game.

Aside from the map tags, you shouldn't see any other differences between volumes 1 and 3. Both PDFs were made from the original electronic files, and to largely the same spec as all of our PDFs. (I'm looking at pages at 200% and higher, and not seeing anything unusual.)

@redcelt: Thank you for the link! Those are some nice suppliments for the game.

@Vic: Yes, I am specifically talking about the maps. The text for the pdf is fine and I have no trouble reading it, but the maps are difficult primarily because of the size, serifs and pixilation. If you print or zoom to 200% on the map of Sandpoint in the PF1 for example, you see a fair amount of pixilation on the numbers of the identified buildings. In comparison, the same map from the Rise of Runelords Player's Guide is much crisper and the numbers are easier to read.

Since the Player's Guide has a better version of the Sandpoint map, I simply am using that map instead. The Sandpoint Glassworks and the map of the Hinterlands from PF1 are just difficult to read, in my opinion. The others I am muddling through, if I squint enough. If there are higher rez versions available for download anywhere, I'd be happy to dl and reprint them.

I understand that it is simply the fact of PF1 maps are flattened images as opposed to having the text/numbers on a seperate layer. I know I am being kind of picky, but as I stated before, the price is the same, but the print-ready quality between the two is not.

How long does it take to play through each chapter in an Adventure path? Does each chapter only take a single session (meaning the entire adventure path can be played out in 6 sessions) or does each chapter take 2-3 sessions to play through?

How long does it take to play through each chapter in an Adventure path? Does each chapter only take a single session (meaning the entire adventure path can be played out in 6 sessions) or does each chapter take 2-3 sessions to play through?

If your group is slow-paced (maybe lots of RP or side-tracks), it'll take alot longer than if they are encounter machines (jumping from one combat/encounter to the next with minimum downtime).

That answer probably isn't as helpful as you'd like, but it really does vary from group to group.

-Skeld

EDIT: For example, my group played Savage Tide AP (12 chapters, levels 1-20) in about 16 months. Since RotRL goes to level 15-ish across 6 chapters, I estimate it would take my group abut a year to play the AP and about 2 months to play a chapter, which makes it about 4 or 5 6-8 hour sessions. Granted low-level play goes faster than higher-level play, so I can skew the results to slightly shorter early chapters and slightly longer later chapters.

How long does it take to play through each chapter in an Adventure path? Does each chapter only take a single session (meaning the entire adventure path can be played out in 6 sessions) or does each chapter take 2-3 sessions to play through?

I've been running RotRL since March '09 and we're about halfway through the 4th installment. Our play has been somewhat sporadic though, and probably only breaks down to about 18~24 play sessions during that time (usually for 5-6 hours). Burnt Offerings actually had a lot of meat to it, and IIRC it took us a little over 4 full sessions to make it completely through it.

BTW, so far this one is my favorite out of all of the AP issues in terms of story and background.

I am a latecomer to Pathfinder, and would like to run Rise of the Runelords. I have noticed that Burnt Offerings is only available in pdf. Is there any chance of it being reprinted so those of us who are new could get hard copies?

I am a latecomer to Pathfinder, and would like to run Rise of the Runelords. I have noticed that Burnt Offerings is only available in pdf. Is there any chance of it being reprinted so those of us who are new could get hard copies?

AnarionZelle wrote:

I am a latecomer to Pathfinder, and would like to run Rise of the Runelords. I have noticed that Burnt Offerings is only available in pdf. Is there any chance of it being reprinted so those of us who are new could get hard copies?

We have no plans at this point of reprinting Burnt Offerings or the other installments in Rise of the Runelords that are out of print or getting very close to being out of print. I wouldn't be surprised to see us eventually do some sort of reprint or repackaging of Rise of the Runelords, but that's not something we'll be doing soon. The best bet would probably be to check used bookstores (perhaps Amazon.com's used book section?) or eBay or to scour FLGSs in the area.

... Only one copy of Burnt Offerings is offered on Amazon right now for $999.00.

Took a quick look on ebay and found someone selling* the complete AP plus a few Chronicles books for about 30$.... but no individual listings of Burnt Offerings!

Impressive work for Paizo indeed.

* Edit: 30 for shipping too, but still 60 bucks ain't bad.

AnarionZelle wrote:

... Only one copy of Burnt Offerings is offered on Amazon right now for $999.00.

Was surprised to see this! Finally a retirement plan I can get behind :)

Took a quick look on ebay and found someone selling* the complete AP plus a few Chronicles books for about 30$.... but no individual listings of Burnt Offerings!

Impressive work for Paizo indeed.

* Edit: 30 for shipping too, but still 60 bucks ain't bad.

:(

A compiled RotRL would be awesome, particularly if it were updated for PFRPG. It'd also be cool if the adventures were split into one volume and the flavour and rules and monsters ended up in other compilations. It wouldn't stop me buying the AP sub, either, so long as there was a lag between the AP release and the eventual compilation.

I also particularly think that rules stuff, like traits from various supplements, need periodic compilation. Hopefully the wikis will do it, but a volume would also be cool. Mind you, it doesn't have to be a volume produced by Paizo, I guess, as that stuff is OGL.

Only one copy of Burnt Offerings is offered on Amazon right now for $999.00.

...but am offering this response in the slight hope that Paizo may consider a reprint.

Have you considered having the PDF printed and bound locally?

...

Alternatively, you might try starting a thread asking fellow Paizoans if they have seen a copy at their local book/game stores. People here are generally pretty helpful when it comes to spreading the Paizo-love. (I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone was willing to buy it and send it to you at cost; just because we're friendly folk.)

-Skeld

AnarionZelle wrote:

...but am offering this response in the slight hope that Paizo may consider a reprint.

We actually gave reprints a try once, with the first AP volume that sold out (#2). The economics of printing are based heavily on volume, so in order to have a similar cover price, you need to print a similar quantity, and the demand for the reprinted volume wasn't as big as we'd hoped, so straight reprints are off the table for now.

Have you considered having the PDF printed and bound locally?

AnarionZelle wrote:

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My [unsolicited] advice: Buy the PDF, print out the relevant pages in black & white, clamp it together with a bullbog clip. I do this for pretty much every thing I run (Pathfinder, Star Wars, and others) and it works great. This nice thing is you can go through it with a highliter (yellow for skills, green for rewards, red for enemies/threats, and blue for information) and make notes on it without fear. Then... chuck it in the shredder when you're done!

Alternatively, you might try starting a thread asking fellow Paizoans if they have seen a copy at their local book/game stores. People here are generally pretty helpful when it comes to spreading the Paizo-love. (I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone was willing to buy it and send it to you at cost; just because we're friendly folk.)

-Skeld

:)

I'll check my local game store this weekend, and let you know if they have it.

I'll check my local game store this weekend, and let you know if they have it.

Sean

I think my FLGS has Hook Mountain Massacre though I am positive they don't have Burnt Offerings. That one is particularly rare because it is not only the first one (and thus might have had a smaller print run), and because new converts to Pathfinder have had longer to buy it than any other edition.

Thanks, guys! I'll keep my fingers crossed!

:)

How long does it take to play through each chapter in an Adventure path? Does each chapter only take a single session (meaning the entire adventure path can be played out in 6 sessions) or does each chapter take 2-3 sessions to play through?

Burnt Offerings
1) Introduce characters, festival, goblin attack, role play around Sandpoint
2) Glassworks and catacombs
3&4) Thistletop

Skinsaw
1) Start investigations, sanitorium. farm
2) Foxglove manor
3) Magnimar, townhouse, sawmill
4) Xanesha

Nyarlathotep wrote:

AnarionZelle wrote:

... Only one copy of Burnt Offerings is offered on Amazon right now for $999.00.

Was surprised to see this! Finally a retirement plan I can get behind :)

Took a quick look on ebay and found someone selling* the complete AP plus a few Chronicles books for about 30$.... but no individual listings of Burnt Offerings!

Impressive work for Paizo indeed.

* Edit: 30 for shipping too, but still 60 bucks ain't bad.

Well, the bidding is up to $60.00 now, not including shipping, and there are still almost 5 days to go. I am betting that the ending bid for these will be nowhere near $60.00 when the dust settles.

:(