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I don't like the changes I've read from the excerpt on their website, I think its the planes, and fitting the dragonborn into the setting, it seems strained. I do love the old eberron in many ways, but the books were sometimes badly done, and setting contradictions over little stuff kept cropping up, so it was far from perfect in 3.5.
However, it does seem to gel well enough with 4e cosmology, so thats a bonus for 4e players and GMs, It's just not for me, and I would like to forward that warning to any existing Eberron fans who give it a look, don't expect an improvement, its a different Eberron because 4e is a different game.
I am with you wile I wish them well, the previews seem so square peg round hole. They forced many things in that really did not fit the setting and changed a few core concepts of the setting to make them work with 4e even if they would have worked anyhow
Was expected but sad to see another setting I enjoyed mangled needlessly
I don't like the changes I've read from the excerpt on their website, I think its the planes, and fitting the dragonborn into the setting, it seems strained. I do love the old eberron in many ways, but the books were sometimes badly done, and setting contradictions over little stuff kept cropping up, so it was far from perfect in 3.5.
However, it does seem to gel well enough with 4e cosmology, so thats a bonus for 4e players and GMs, It's just not for me, and I would like to forward that warning to any existing Eberron fans who give it a look, don't expect an improvement, its a different Eberron because 4e is a different game.
If you compare what they did to FR vs what they did to Eberron, in 4e they resculpted the land, the deities, and the whole feel of the world, and then bumped it far into the future so all the key NPCs except a handful were dead. In Eberron, they adjusted the cosmology, and added dragonborn, but otherwise kept the timeline more or less the same.
So I think it is fair of Eberron plays to expect some small changes but otherwise they will see mostly just a change to the game rules. There should be a much lower degree of alienation compared to the FR fans.
I don't like the changes I've read from the excerpt on their website, I think its the planes, and fitting the dragonborn into the setting, it seems strained. I do love the old eberron in many ways, but the books were sometimes badly done, and setting contradictions over little stuff kept cropping up, so it was far from perfect in 3.5.
However, it does seem to gel well enough with 4e cosmology, so thats a bonus for 4e players and GMs, It's just not for me, and I would like to forward that warning to any existing Eberron fans who give it a look, don't expect an improvement, its a different Eberron because 4e is a different game.
If you compare what they did to FR vs what they did to Eberron, in 4e they resculpted the land, the deities, and the whole feel of the world, and then bumped it far into the future so all the key NPCs except a handful were dead. In Eberron, they adjusted the cosmology, and added dragonborn, but otherwise kept the timeline more or less the same.
So I think it is fair of Eberron plays to expect some small changes but otherwise they will see mostly just a change to the game rules. There should be a much lower degree of alienation compared to the FR fans.
Oh totally, and I was frankly appalled by the above troll, but anyway.
Admittedly I haven't seen the finished product, but I don't like, personally, the changes that were made that I can see so far. And I just wanted to put out to people looking at the product to be wary of those changes and look into them before investing with the setting.
I don't feel like I would be a useful product for a non-4e player, unless you like the 4e fluff alot.
For some of us who are working on a Fantasy version of the Star Wars Saga system, this book has some pretty interesting ideas, like rituals, some feats, items, etc... (Pathfinder is a good source too, actually!!)
(and yes, we are doing this because the 4th ED. system isn't for us ;)
The integration of the 4th iconic races isn't far fetched as well (and I'm a GM for Eberron since day one, so to speak). After all, Tieffling & Eladrin were already presents in the settings (and they're as scarce in this version as they were in 3.5) and dragonborn... putting them in Argonessen and Q'barra is quite logical (one of my player played one in 3.5).
Having read the FRPG, I can say with delight that in comparison they didn't screwed up the whole thing.
The only medium bad thing is concerning the illustrations. Some are very good (Wayne Reynolds, Lucio Parillo & Jason Engle rule !!), but some are ultimately out of subject (I don't know how you say "hors-sujet", in english).
All in all, I'll say that it's a rather good book, for 4th ED., and a pretty interesting one for those who are searching some good ideas to transform it.
Just my two cents, anyways.