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"We all shout, 'November!'"

"The click-clicks fall over dead."

Give yourself five grognard points if you recognize the reference....

Andoran (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Roleplaying Game, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, GameMastery Maps Subscriber)

Wow, I needed those points, too. Oh well.

Still, this is a book that sort of has me interested. But I already have enough monster books to fill two bookshelves and easily fiddle around with stat blocks and the like to mix up my beasties. So I will need to flip through this one first, or hear a good reliable review before purchase.

-DM Jeff


This would be one of those times I wished Paizo had a "look inside this book" feature like Amazon. What does this book do? What kind of monsters does it generate? How well does it guarantee a monster that "hangs together"?


This sounds interesting as an idea generator but since it's "system neutral" I'm not sure how much of a time saver it will be for the DM. The time consuming part of creating new monsters is creating the stats to run them at the table, making sure they're balanced, etc. Still, in terms of fluff this sounds promising and I like what Goodman Games has done for the most part to date.

L


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How many times has this happened to you?

GM: The mass of vegetative matter rises up before you, its branches flailing like the tentacles of a squid being sucked into a whirlpool, its gaping maw revealing nasty, throny teeth. Roll for initiative!

Player: Hey guys—that's a tendriculos. It regenerates, but if we use bludgeoning weapons and acid, we'll be fine. Don't waste your mind-influencing spells—they won't work. And don't bother trying to flank it—it's immune to crits.

I can hear your collective sighs. Of course, you could combat this with a collection of monster books that takes up two bookshelves, or you could nerf the Knowledge skills to make sure the PCs can't know everything your players do.

...or you could actually grow a spine as DM! Yes! With our new line of DM self-help books, you too can develop what it takes to make clear statements like:

1) And how the hell does your character know what a Tendriculous is??

2) Do you have the required Knowledge: Religion ranks to know a lich' weakpoint is his phyllactery?

...and our writers' favorite

3) Metagamers will get no XP for the rest of the adventure, the DM has spoken.

Yes! You too can grow a pair, order your copy today!
</PARODY>

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Parodies apart... I love the idea of guidelines for creating my own monsters, I'd buy the book, but the advertisement can't be more SAD, as if characters developing expertise was actually a bad thing.

Sure, every table has a player that will try to metagame his way beyond what his character knows (ie his personal experience and/or knowledge skills), but if the DM can't stop metagaming in his table himself, then his problem is not players knowing, it's spinelessness.


Of course, a good roleplayer would play as if his character didn't know the creature involved, even if (s)he did know.

(Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber)

John Woodford wrote:

"We all shout, 'November!'"

"The click-clicks fall over dead."

Give yourself five grognard points if you recognize the reference....

Don't ya mean Thursday? ;) And yeah, there were certain things I just wouldn't have ever gotten back in the old days playing Infocom adventures, for instance, if someone I know hadn't bought the hint book at let me in on all the Easter eggs.


What ruleset is this for? 3.5? 4th?

Paizo Employee (Technical Director)

darth_borehd wrote:
What ruleset is this for? 3.5? 4th?

I haven't seen it myself; I'm told it's system-neutral, though it apparently uses terminology that's particularly familiar to 2nd Edition players.

Cheliax (Bella Sara Charter Superscriber)

Vic Wertz wrote:
darth_borehd wrote:
What ruleset is this for? 3.5? 4th?
I haven't seen it myself; I'm told it's system-neutral, though it apparently uses terminology that's particularly familiar to 2nd Edition players.

How so? Do you mean the old Ecology/Terrain categories?

Paizo Employee (Technical Director)

Have a look at the ten sample monsters posted on the author's blog—though those were made using a previous edition of the book, when it was a small-press product. I don't know whether the new Goodman edition has changed things significantly or not.


'allo...

Author of the product here. :)

The changes made between my private printing (no longer available, of course) and the new Goodman Games version...

All new artwork and layout, including new color cover. It's a lot easier to read now, as Goodman has 30 full-sized pages for the material whereas I crunched it all into 26 A5 (half-size, more or less) pages.

Pro printing instead of my run down to the local print shop.

Rewritten introduction, typos corrected, and a few words here and there replaced.

The actual monster creation part is unchanged.

I personally use the thing to create monsters for my BFRPG and OD&D games, but I've been informed by those that bought it that it's been used to make creatures for 1e, 2e, 3.xe, 4e, Palladium, Dark Heresy, and Savage Worlds.

Paizo Employee (Technical Director)

Thanks for the clarification, Jim!

This is now available as a PDF.


Check out a 6-page pdf preview of the book here.

A couple of good reviews:

Grognardia
Dragonsfoot

And here are a couple of not-as-good reviews:

Enworld
Flames Rising


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