Mr. Greer. You rock.

Hey, thanks! I do a little bit of Rolling on the side too. ;)

Does a rolling Greer gather any moss?

This module and its sequel do sound very interesting.

What sets them apart so much from the rest of the Pathfinder modules to warrant a specific tag (i.e. LB1 and LB2), though?

How many modules in the series?

This module and its sequel do sound very interesting.

What sets them apart so much from the rest of the Pathfinder modules to warrant a specific tag (i.e. LB1 and LB2), though?

How many modules in the series?

Okay! Thanks!

So... what's so great about LB1? Anyone who got it wants to say something good about the product? Potential customer listening!

Looking forward for the pdf option. The 2-part (and 3-part too!) campaign arc concept is really interesting.

Does this adventure come in a .pfd?

Does this adventure come in a .pfd?

...about the same time that the module hits retail shelves, which is about 2 weeks after it ships to subscribers, which should be pretty soon...

Okay! Thanks!

So... what's so great about LB1? Anyone who got it wants to say something good about the product? Potential customer listening!

Plus with a sequel pending, and being set near Darkmoon Vale like several of the other PF modules, it would be pretty easy to string together a loose campaign with plenty of room to mix in your own stuff.

Lanval wrote:

Does this adventure come in a .pfd?

The PDF will be available for purchase at about the same time that the module hits retail shelves, which is about 2 weeks after it ships to subscribers, which should be pretty soon...

The Red Death wrote:

This module and its sequel do sound very interesting.

What sets them apart so much from the rest of the Pathfinder modules to warrant a specific tag (i.e. LB1 and LB2), though?

How many modules in the series?

Nothing sets them apart other than the fact that they're directly related. I expect that, had they known where the series would have gone, they would have named D1 and D1.5 KK1 and 2 (for Kobold King). These are sort of an experiment to see what the market is for module series, so buy the second one and show them that we love 'em. There are two modules in the series.

D= Dungeon
E = Epic
J = Journey
U = Urban
W = Wilderness

and I'm probably missing one.

Robert

But does the LB stand for something? i.e. the gamemastery modules have an identifying letter corresponding to the primary aspect of the type of adventure

D= Dungeon
E = Event
J = Journey
U = Urban
W = Wilderness

and I'm probably missing one.

Robert

Robert Brambley wrote:

But does the LB stand for something? i.e. the gamemastery modules have an identifying letter corresponding to the primary aspect of the type of adventure

D= Dungeon
E = Event
J = Journey
U = Urban
W = Wilderness

and I'm probably missing one.

Robert

LB = Last Baron

Robert Brambley wrote:

But does the LB stand for something? i.e. the gamemastery modules have an identifying letter corresponding to the primary aspect of the type of adventure

D= Dungeon
E = Event
J = Journey
U = Urban
W = Wilderness

and I'm probably missing one.

Robert

LB = Last Baron

It was so obvious that I missed it!

Robert

It's only 32 pages????
It's far too short.
Hmmm. Well maybe the compilation hardcover, when it comes out a couple of years down the line, will flesh it out with more excellent material.
(Edit- sorry I should have said this as well)
Good work, Mr. Greer.

It's only 32 pages????
It's far too short.
Hmmm. Well maybe the compilation hardcover, when it comes out a couple of years down the line, will flesh it out with more excellent material.

Charles Evans 25 wrote:

It's only 32 pages????
It's far too short.
Hmmm. Well maybe the compilation hardcover, when it comes out a couple of years down the line, will flesh it out with more excellent material.

Huh? These modules are all 32 pages...

Some years ago, I played in a GenCon "All thieves'" adventure, with a theme very similar to this module's and it was terrific.

LB1 looks like it has all the details to make a great adventure, but I have a couple of issues:

1) Who the [expletive] arranged the map / text order? Would it have been so hard to describe the buildings in some sort of north-to-south order? As it is, after a half hour, I finally have a reasonable idea as to which buildings are close to one another!

2) It's not too much of a spoiler to suggest that it's possible that Baron Vendikon might be killed or deposed in this adventure, and it might be the PCs' fault. If I were playing a particular type of Lawful character, this might be a tough issue. The baron is --arguably-- exercising his legal rights to administer the land as he sees fit, because he doesn't have a feudal lord. He's being harsh and unpleasant, and he's making a decision that the good guys don't like, but there's a good case that he has the legal right to do so.

(Indeed, if he didn't have the right to do so, Andoran might not be so quick to attempt a military solution.)

And the PC's are likely to depose him without an heir, or any means of succession. Piren's Bluff, and the surrounding baronial lands, will be thrown into disarray.

An excellent adventure for Chaotic Good sneaky types.

3) There's a cleric whose stat block says will flee, or fight to the death if cornered. However, the text describing the character says that if the PC's place the cleric in enough danger, they'll get information and possibly some scrolls they can use to compel certain other NPCs. I'll play this by ear, but it's an odd contradiction.

Link to thread in modules section for posting Last Baron Questions: *Link*

Some years ago, I played in a GenCon "All thieves'" adventure, with a theme very similar to this module's and it was terrific.

LB1 looks like it has all the details to make a great adventure, but I have a couple of issues:

1) Who the [expletive] arranged the map / text order? Would it have been so hard to describe the buildings in some sort of north-to-south order? As it is, after a half hour, I finally have a reasonable idea as to which buildings are close to one another!

2) It's not too much of a spoiler to suggest that it's possible that Baron Vendikon might be killed or deposed in this adventure, and it might be the PCs' fault. If I were playing a particular type of Lawful character, this might be a tough issue. The baron is --arguably-- exercising his legal rights to administer the land as he sees fit, because he doesn't have a feudal lord. He's being harsh and unpleasant, and he's making a decision that the good guys don't like, but there's a good case that he has the legal right to do so.

(Indeed, if he didn't have the right to do so, Andoran might not be so quick to attempt a military solution.)

And the PC's are likely to depose him without an heir, or any means of succession. Piren's Bluff, and the surrounding baronial lands, will be thrown into disarray.

An excellent adventure for Chaotic Good sneaky types.

3) There's a cleric whose stat block says will flee, or fight to the death if cornered. However, the text describing the character says that if the PC's place the cleric in enough danger, they'll get information and possibly some scrolls they can use to compel certain other NPCs. I'll play this by ear, but it's an odd contradiction.

I thought that it was pretty clear that the PCs had the option of killing or capturing the Baron based on the party's scruples, but maybe it should have been plainer. Sorry.

As far as the cleric you mentioned, go back and read 5. The First Light. You have Tulrin mixed up with Dreyxor Almir at area 13.

Hi, Steve. I really appreciate you checking here and posting suggestions to help us out!

Actually, I was being vague to avoid spoilers, but that wasn't helpful. I'm looking at page 14. The "morale" description under Shiyara's "tactics" block says that if she's threatened in her living quarters, she'll fight to the death. On the same page, under "Development", Shiyara turns on the baron if the PCs seriously threaten her.

That's what I was talking about.

(By the way, does she have an unhallowed pentagram in her living quarters, or does she need to use the one in the main hall?)

Hi, Steve. I really appreciate you checking here and posting suggestions to help us out!

Actually, I was being vague to avoid spoilers, but that wasn't helpful. I'm looking at page 14. The "morale" description under Shiyara's "tactics" block says that if she's threatened in her living quarters, she'll fight to the death. On the same page, under "Development", Shiyara turns on the baron if the PCs seriously threaten her.

That's what I was talking about.

(By the way, does she have an unhallowed pentagram in her living quarters, or does she need to use the one in the main hall?)

There is an unhallow effect on the pentagram in the knave and it's area of effect covers the entire temple. Though not written into the adventure, there should be a smaller one on the ground inside the contemplation chamber behind the knave. It doesn't need to be unhallowed since it's already within the area of effect of the larger one in the other chamber.

Hope that helps.

As I was prepping this mod, I was noticing something strange about the read-aloud text for the rooms of the keep. They didn't equate to the compass on the map. In addition, the compass for the city doesn't match the compass for the same town in the Darkmoon Vale supplement!

I'm going to assume the town placement in Darkmoon Vale is correct. So, this means the north compass in the town of LB1 should be rotated 90 degrees (the keep is actually at the West end of town), and the room descriptions for the keep should have their compass descriptions transposed 180 degrees (the keep's main entrance in on its south side)!

Please, correct me if I'm wrong!

Otherwise, so far, it's looking like a good "solve it any way you like" adventure. I wouldn't anticipate this taking very long to get through, depending on what your players do.

As I was prepping this mod, I was noticing something strange about the read-aloud text for the rooms of the keep. They didn't equate to the compass on the map. In addition, the compass for the city doesn't match the compass for the same town in the Darkmoon Vale supplement!

I'm going to assume the town placement in Darkmoon Vale is correct. So, this means the north compass in the town of LB1 should be rotated 90 degrees (the keep is actually at the West end of town), and the room descriptions for the keep should have their compass descriptions transposed 180 degrees (the keep's main entrance in on its south side)!

Please, correct me if I'm wrong!

Otherwise, so far, it's looking like a good "solve it any way you like" adventure. I wouldn't anticipate this taking very long to get through, depending on what your players do.

Thanks Steve!

I'm glad I'm not just getting my rotaters crossed.

You notice these things when you're prepping an adventure for running, you know!

I have the adventure, I read it cover to cover (something I rarely do for adventures I don't plan on running for some time) and I have to say that I love it. One thing came to mind though. One of my players is an old school gamer a'la he remembers Keep on the Borderlands and other 1st edition modules. He wasn't gaming when it first came out but it was still in circulation. One module series he loathed was the UK series of adventures, he disliked them and gave a rather lengthy rant about why he disliked them (poor quality, sloppy, things like that came up) but one thing that I was reminded of involved a manor that the PC's go through to depose of some evil rich person. I was wondering why I thought of that when I finally realized it: in that manor house there had been no where on the map for the residents to answer the call of nature.

It's an easy to forget thing but sort of detracts from the realism, no mention of chamber pots, honey buckets, privy's, outhouses, nothing. So I look at the map of the keep in the module and realize: it too lacks a place for ejection of digested food. If I run it I'll replace one of the closets or storage rooms for that purpose but I found it amusing. It makes more sense now that someone mentioned the map was rushed but still, a funny little detail.

Great module though. I wish there were more of these sandbox modules to break up the more linear ones.

I have the adventure, I read it cover to cover (something I rarely do for adventures I don't plan on running for some time) and I have to say that I love it. One thing came to mind though. One of my players is an old school gamer a'la he remembers Keep on the Borderlands and other 1st edition modules. He wasn't gaming when it first came out but it was still in circulation. One module series he loathed was the UK series of adventures, he disliked them and gave a rather lengthy rant about why he disliked them (poor quality, sloppy, things like that came up) but one thing that I was reminded of involved a manor that the PC's go through to depose of some evil rich person. I was wondering why I thought of that when I finally realized it: in that manor house there had been no where on the map for the residents to answer the call of nature.

It's an easy to forget thing but sort of detracts from the realism, no mention of chamber pots, honey buckets, privy's, outhouses, nothing. So I look at the map of the keep in the module and realize: it too lacks a place for ejection of digested food. If I run it I'll replace one of the closets or storage rooms for that purpose but I found it amusing. It makes more sense now that someone mentioned the map was rushed but still, a funny little detail.

Great module though. I wish there were more of these sandbox modules to break up the more linear ones.

Surely all the waste isn't delegated to chamber pots... I think I'll simply mention a privy somewhere :-P

The question of where monsters and villains go to the bathroom comes up weirdly often. Chamber pots DO answer a lot of those problems, but I do like to encourage authors to include privies or garderobes or outhouses or toilets when possible.

Strangely... the same rule doesn't apply as often to laundry; no one ever seems to care where the monsters do their wash.

Inquiring delvers want to know.
As far as the other issue goes, doesn't being a monster exempt one from laundry?

The monsters take it to their mother's house.

The monsters take it to their mother's house.

Serious recommendation, though. If you're running this module using the beta rules (but not playtesting) you may want to punch up the opposition just a tad (not much, just maybe an extra level for a couple of the big name NPCs, and an extra mook here and there). We rolled through this like a hot knife through buttah. Party consisted of: rogue/5, fighter/rogue/3/2, monk/fighter/4/1, wizard/5, and bard/5. DM did a great job, but with the new rogue talents and wizard changes, the challenges weren't as difficult as they would have been with a straight 3.5 party.

The question of where monsters and villains go to the bathroom comes up weirdly often. Chamber pots DO answer a lot of those problems, but I do like to encourage authors to include privies or garderobes or outhouses or toilets when possible.

Strangely... the same rule doesn't apply as often to laundry; no one ever seems to care where the monsters do their wash.

As for Laundry... well their monsters i think we all just assumed they never changed clothes and just smelled all the time.

BTW I would like to say i really liked this adventure. My only critic is it would have been nice to have a little sidebar right at the start of the keep section about different rough idea's how the PC's might get in and or suggestions. Nothing major just a minor critic.