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MMMMMM Underdark ala Pathfinder, I think im in love.

Andoran (Pathfinder Charter Superscriber)

I know the cover art is just a placeholder, but quite opposite of what you would expect for a Darkland book... not exactly blue skies down there, right?

Paizo Employee (Creative Director)

Stegger wrote:
I know the cover art is just a placeholder, but quite opposite of what you would expect for a Darkland book... not exactly blue skies down there, right?

Correct. The place holder art is from Pathfinder 7's article about the Varisians.

That said, the Darklands are a big place. Who knows what's hidden down deep?

(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path Subscriber)

mmm...memories of tromping arround the underground forest in Undermountain are bubling to the surface...

Taldor (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Roleplaying Game, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Battles Case Subscriber; GameMastery Superscriber)

Gosh, I hate to say this but I just don't like the name "the Darklands." I mean, I 'll live with it or tweak it for myself, but it's the first Pathfinder name that just doesn't sit well with me.

Maybe just "the Dark" or "the Darkhollows" or "the Darkrealms" or (taking a cue from Bastion Press) "the Black," but the word 'lands' suggests above ground to me.

Like I said, I'll can deal with it, but is anyone else feeling the same way?

(Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber)

No

Osirion (Pathfinder Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber)

So how does this product differ from the Pathfinder Companion for the Second Darkness AP?


Mosaic wrote:

Gosh, I hate to say this but I just don't like the name "the Darklands." I mean, I 'll live with it or tweak it for myself, but it's the first Pathfinder name that just doesn't sit well with me.

Maybe just "the Dark" or "the Darkhollows" or "the Darkrealms" or (taking a cue from Bastion Press) "the Black," but the word 'lands' suggests above ground to me.

Like I said, I'll can deal with it, but is anyone else feeling the same way?

Yes, Into the Dark. Does sound a bit more ominous and foreboding. However, the title is not that important to me, at least. I'm sure the content inside the book will be the hidden treasure. I have to say, I'm so very looking forward to it.

Paizo Employee (Technical Director)

Rusty Ironpants wrote:

So how does this product differ from the Pathfinder Companion for the Second Darkness AP?

The Pathfinder Companion is 32 pages, of which probably less than 4 pages or so (estimated because it hasn't been written yet) cover the Darklands to any degree.

This book is 64 pages of all Darklands goodness.

Osirion (Pathfinder Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber)

Thanks Vic.

So if I understand correctly, Into the Darklands is a regional source book and the Pathfinder Companion is more like a player's guide?


Yes, but in this case the "region" is all over the underground of Golarion.

--Erik

Paizo Employee (Creative Director)

Rusty Ironpants wrote:

Thanks Vic.

So if I understand correctly, Into the Darklands is a regional source book and the Pathfinder Companion is more like a player's guide?

Correct—also, the Second Darkness volume of the Pathfinder Companion might not even have much at all about the Darklands in it; the Second Darkness Adventure Path DOES take place in other locations as well... it won't even enter the Darklands until adventure #4 at the earliest.

Osirion (Pathfinder Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber)

James Jacobs wrote:
Rusty Ironpants wrote:

Thanks Vic.

So if I understand correctly, Into the Darklands is a regional source book and the Pathfinder Companion is more like a player's guide?

Correct—also, the Second Darkness volume of the Pathfinder Companion might not even have much at all about the Darklands in it; the Second Darkness Adventure Path DOES take place in other locations as well... it won't even enter the Darklands until adventure #4 at the earliest.

Thanks, for the clarification guys.

I guess when the description said "The perfect companion to the Second Darkness Adventure Path", it made me think there might be alot of overlap with Pathfinder Companion: Second Darkness.

Crazy, huh? :P


Well, reviewing the list of books coming out, I have to say, I'm pretty glad I subscribed to this series. The only book that doesn't excite me right away is Dragons Revisited. I kind of doubt anything can save dragons from being, well, dragons, but given Paizo's treatment of humanoids, I'll give it a shot.

But really, this is the book I'm most excited about. I lurve the underdark. Even if they call it the darklands -- I agree, that name kinda blows (a bit on the nose, don't you think?), though at least it makes more sense than "underdark".

Paizo Employee (Technical Director)

We've just added the finished cover. If you don't see a drow, reload your browser's image cache.


Abberations and Drow. If I had to sum up the Darklands/Underdark/whatever other names it has with one picture, it would be that. Great cover.

Shadow Lodge (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion Subscriber)

Great cover

Andoran (Pathfinder Charter Superscriber)

Can I have two of those drow hotties? :)

(Pathfinder Charter Superscriber; GameMastery Maps Subscriber)

Cover art - Wow...just wow!!!


blackcat wrote:
Cover art - Wow...just wow!!!

That's my avatar, buddy!


Yeah but the PC brigade is going to come out and cry foul on the use of cleavage, we all know it!


yoda8myhead wrote:
blackcat wrote:
Cover art - Wow...just wow!!!
That's my avatar, buddy!

And you both have the superscriber box and tag too . . .

(Pathfinder Charter Superscriber; GameMastery Maps Subscriber)

yoda8myhead wrote:
blackcat wrote:
Cover art - Wow...just wow!!!
That's my avatar, buddy!

yea but it's actually a drawing of my head :-P i was under the impression you shouldn't have a head thanks to yoda...soooo who's the impostor! ;-)

Osirion (Pathfinder Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber)

Aarontendo wrote:
Yeah but the PC brigade is going to come out and cry foul on the use of cleavage, we all know it!

To be fair, that cleavage is kind of scary, they're so... unnaturally spherical, they look like someone's pasted a couple of honeydew melons to her chest and painted them blue... her pose is a bit bizarre too...

still an awesome cover besides that, lots of awesome details, and it's always nice to see a well-drawn Merisiel


Got something against honeydews and their shapes? *^^*

I'll take 'em any day. Living in Asia you come to appreciate the variety of melons in the ol' USA.

Andoran (Paizo Charter Superscriber, Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber)

Drool...

Oh...I meant about the cover art and the upcoming release of the Darklands book. (Mostly...)

Cheliax (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)

Nice cover! I can see the request for fan art of Seoni and Drow women now...

Taldor (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Roleplaying Game, Modules Subscriber)

No, Mosaic. Darklands sounds just fine.

Also, I might just need to subscribe to the Pathfinder companion series, since I've ended up purchasing all but one of them so far, and this Darklands item is a must-have. Nice job, PAIZO!


Well both 'The Darklands' and 'The Dark' are used in my novels, so I'm a bit non-plussed by that, but hey, what are they going to do change it just for a published author?

> gritting my teeth <

Osirion (Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Companion Subscriber)

MMMM...poster map of the darklands...

Osirion (Pathfinder Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber)

Kyrinn S. Eis wrote:

Well both 'The Darklands' and 'The Dark' are used in my novels, so I'm a bit non-plussed by that, but hey, what are they going to do change it just for a published author?

> gritting my teeth <

*blinks* are you thinking it's a particularly original name? I've seen the name used plenty of times before, hell I'm sure there are books and series of books titled "The Darklands" or some variation thereof, since it sounds cool and can refer to some classic tropes (darkness=evil and so forth). I'm also pretty sure I've seen the name used in RPG settings before.

Plus it's a Jesus and Mary Chain album title :).

I think it's a cool name, but I seriously doubt Paizo believe the name to be any more original than the concept of societies of evil humanoids living in vast subterranean caverns. Golarion is a setting for classic fantasy stories, it's all about new spins on old concepts, and I'd rather those concepts have classic evocative names, than silly unpronounceable ones (pet hate alert) just because it would be more original.


DROW? On the cover? Pttthhhpppppttttt!!!!

-2 points for OBVIOUSNESS.

Should've been Derro.

Seriously, Derro get no love.

WHY DOES PAIZO HATE DERRO?

Is it because they are weird, creepy little mustachioed men?

Weird, creepy little mustachioed men need love too!!!

Osirion (Pathfinder Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber)

Gailbraithe wrote:

DROW? On the cover? Pttthhhpppppttttt!!!!

-2 points for OBVIOUSNESS.

Should've been Derro.

Seriously, Derro get no love.

WHY DOES PAIZO HATE DERRO?

Is it because they are weird, creepy little mustachioed men?

Weird, creepy little mustachioed men need love too!!!

Derro are awesome! I'm really hoping for a whole ton of Derro love in this book, even if they're not on the cover (I imagine the honeydews sell better :P).


There's a new picture up in the blog... wow.


Gailbraithe wrote:

DROW? On the cover? Pttthhhpppppttttt!!!!

-2 points for OBVIOUSNESS.

Should've been Derro.

Seriously, Derro get no love.

WHY DOES PAIZO HATE DERRO?

Is it because they are weird, creepy little mustachioed men?

Weird, creepy little mustachioed men need love too!!!

I think it's mainly got to do with the fact that drow on the cover of books moves product. No sense in relegating a book as awesome as Darklands will certainly be to the bargain bins in a few years.


yoda8myhead wrote:
Gailbraithe wrote:

DROW? On the cover? Pttthhhpppppttttt!!!!

-2 points for OBVIOUSNESS.

Should've been Derro.

Seriously, Derro get no love.

WHY DOES PAIZO HATE DERRO?

Is it because they are weird, creepy little mustachioed men?

Weird, creepy little mustachioed men need love too!!!

I think it's mainly got to do with the fact that drow on the cover of books moves product. No sense in relegating a book as awesome as Darklands will certainly be to the bargain bins in a few years.

Exactly! We found out when working with Dragon and Dungeon that putting a drow on the cover meant we sold thousands upon thousands of more copies of the magazine than almost any other topic except dragons.

-Lisa


Mosaic wrote:

Gosh, I hate to say this but I just don't like the name "the Darklands." I mean, I 'll live with it or tweak it for myself, but it's the first Pathfinder name that just doesn't sit well with me.

Maybe just "the Dark" or "the Darkhollows" or "the Darkrealms" or (taking a cue from Bastion Press) "the Black," but the word 'lands' suggests above ground to me.

Like I said, I'll can deal with it, but is anyone else feeling the same way?

Actually I kind like it. The Underdark has been so overused and overdone that I am just kind of sick of that name. I feel like "The Darklands" is a refreshing change. You know something that I am noticing is that Paizos world building and adventure writing goes waaaaaaaaaaay beyond anything that Wizards of the Coast ever dreamed of doing. I am liking the PFRPG better than standard 3.5 D&D t he Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting better than anything that Wizards has published the Eberron Campaign Setting comes kind of close in my opinion but it is not classic fantasy the way that Golarion is. In my opinion Paizo has surpassed Wizards of the Coast in quality on every front.

Charles

(Pathfinder Charter Superscriber)

Yeah but it's too late to do anything about it. The way I see it if the one negative I've found about the pathfinder world is the name they give the underdark then I think I'm in good territory. :-P


Absolutely love the dinosaur on froghemoth action in today's blog. I love froghemoths . . .


I just needed to say how much I am looking forward to this product.

This thing looks wicked awsome! The art and other blog posts about the Darklands have gotten me very excited!

At first I was kinda like "OK Paizo's coming out with the obligatory underdark source book, I'll buy it but no big deal"...Now I cant wait for this thing!

Once again you guys at Paizo have gone above and beyound recasting somthing that had become a little hum drum and making it fresh,exciting, and wonderous again.

Keep up the great work!

PS. what is that monsterous tentaclely thing fighting the dinosaur in this pic?


Savage_ScreenMonkey wrote:

PS. what is that monsterous tentaclely thing fighting the dinosaur in this pic?

I think that it is a froghemoth... though I don't know what froghemoths are, that seems to be the general consensus regarding that picture.


whatever it is its awsome!

(Pathfinder Lead Developer, Frog God Games)

The froghemoth first appeared as an alien monstrosity in the classic Gary Gygax 1e adventure S3: Expedition to Barrier Peaks. Most recently, I believe, it appeared in the Age of Worms adventure path. It comes to us in the OGL through The Tome of Horrors by Necromancer Games.


Mosaic wrote:

Gosh, I hate to say this but I just don't like the name "the Darklands." I mean, I 'll live with it or tweak it for myself, but it's the first Pathfinder name that just doesn't sit well with me.

Maybe just "the Dark" or "the Darkhollows" or "the Darkrealms" or (taking a cue from Bastion Press) "the Black," but the word 'lands' suggests above ground to me.

Like I said, I'll can deal with it, but is anyone else feeling the same way?

Actually, well no, I am not feeling the same way. Underground is land, the same as above ground is (unless it is air or water...lol), just much more treacherous and sinister.

Paizo Employee (Technical Director)

I've updated the product description to match the back cover copy.


Lisa Stevens wrote:


Exactly! We found out when working with Dragon and Dungeon that putting a drow on the cover meant we sold thousands upon thousands of more copies of the magazine than almost any other topic except dragons.

Just like gorillas and comic books!

http://www.superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&a mp;catid=31%3Amonkeys-index&id=636%3Awhy-is-this-chimp-crying&Itemi d=24

Cheliax (Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path Subscriber)

Mosaic wrote:

Gosh, I hate to say this but I just don't like the name "the Darklands." I mean, I 'll live with it or tweak it for myself, but it's the first Pathfinder name that just doesn't sit well with me.

Maybe just "the Dark" or "the Darkhollows" or "the Darkrealms" or (taking a cue from Bastion Press) "the Black," but the word 'lands' suggests above ground to me.

Like I said, I'll can deal with it, but is anyone else feeling the same way?

I agree. I would prefer Evernight.


Is this coming out late?

Andoran (Pathfinder Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber)

wspatterson wrote:
Is this coming out late?

Late November!

Product Schedule


I believe that this product is scheduled to arrive in the middle of next week.

-Lisa

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