Now it says April. It keeps getting further away. Hope you guys worked out the problems you were having with the printing.

Sigh. Yes, the problems are "worked out," in that we now have a delivery date at the very end of March, and there's nothing we can do about it. (Except to try to find a different printer for the next sets...)

Note to Self: Never click "Ship all items at once" when you preorder something. From January to April... What's going on? Did the printer spontaneously combust, sending dedicated Paizo inters rushing in with fire estinquishers to save the Critical Fumble Decks?

Oh well. I'll forgive you if you give us at least one preview image! I'm curious to see how there are going to work. Will it still be 4 categories? What will be some of the effects?

Note to Self: Never click "Ship all items at once" when you preorder something. From January to April... What's going on? Did the printer spontaneously combust, sending dedicated Paizo inters rushing in with fire estinquishers to save the Critical Fumble Decks?

-Lisa

Gahh - April - I want to inflict some serious hurt on my players now gosh darnit - the 1's just keep getting rolled lately.

Ah well - I'll wait patiently.

Later,

Greg Volz

Hold one... I'll need at least an Battleaxe +5, +1d8 against outsiders, to hit the tax collector... LOL

... So, seeing as this has been sent to the printers and everything (Curse them and their poor printing prowess!), do you think we could maybe get a few sample pictures? I'm curious to see what the general tune of the effects will be like, and I'm also curious whether the appearance style has changed at all.

Oh, and sorry for being a bit rude before, I was just frustrated that it kept getting delayed because it's bound to the rest of my order (My mistake.)

Thanks!

April?! *sigh* ...the plus side, I guess, is that our games will only suffer the dropped weapons and slipped and fell Fumbles for a little longer.

- Chris Shadowens

Will the rules be for use with 3e or 4e of D&D? if 3e will you be posting for download a conversion ruleset so that they can be used with 4e?

I ordered this and 3 other products in Dec 07. I figured why not have it all come at once.

Now its April and with 4th Edition coming out in June doesn't really make sense to keep the order. Will have to think on this some more.

Previews look good. I am happy to see them.

These are great! I can't wait.

So my question is will this deck be fully 3.5 compatible or will it have tweaks for 4e in it? If the later I will not be purchasing it.

I absolutely love the Critical hit deck. I have used a wide avariety of Crit systems since I started gaming back in 1979 and this one is hands don my favorite. Separating out the effects by damage type on each card was inspired, as was adding crits for magic.

-Loki
http://planejammer.blogspot.com
Avoiding the 4e Virus like the plague.

Previews look good. I am happy to see them.

Neomorte wrote:

Previews look good. I am happy to see them.

Where are the previews? I'd love to see them.

Neomorte wrote:

Previews look good. I am happy to see them.

Where are the previews? I'd love to see them.

TracerBullet42 wrote:

Neomorte wrote:

Previews look good. I am happy to see them.

Where are the previews? I'd love to see them.

Go to the top of the page and click on 'blog'
also to the person who asked about if it had 4e additions to it - they have not seen the full 4e rules yet, and it is already at the printers, so I doubt that it will be modified to have 4e rules at all

Neomorte

With yesterday's announcement, I doubt they will have a cross-system version either. Granted, there is nothing in the news release that even remotely suggests that they will not make 4e products, but I doubt this will be one of them, should they be down the pipe.

Neomorte

I contemplated a form of Critical Fumbles a while back, and the fighter of my group noted that it did kind of a disservice to the attackers of a group.

At first I was skeptical, but after thinking about it I realized he made some sense.

Anyone who makes more attack rolls is going to be subject to a higher chance of fumbles than those who don't. So your fighters and archers and rogues are going to fumble a lot more often than your wizards and probably clerics.

Now, it COULD be said that on the flip side, your attackers also get to crit more foten than your spellcasters. This is true...however...usually a critical effect doesn't matter as much against enemies as they do against players.

When my fighter gets stabbed and loses 1d4 dex, it sucks. When the orc gets stabbed and loses 1d4 dex it's not a big deal since he's probably dead next round anyways.

I contemplated the concept of using spells with saving throws to have a critical effect as well, if the person resisiting rolls a nat 1 or nat 20 to save, but I'm iffy as to whether that'd work.

ie. A wizard casts lightning bolt at a single goblin (for whatever reason). If the goblin rolls a Nat 1 on his save, the wizard gets to draw from the crit deck, and apply it to that goblin. If the goblin rolled a Nat 20 on his save, then the wizard would instead have to draw a fumble card (when they exist). This seems okay to me actually.

If that lightning bolt hits 5 goblins, Any gob that rolls a Nat 1 suffers some spell related critical effect (draw one card and apply to all). Cool. if any gob roll a Nat 20, then a fumble card is drawn? That means that the wizard had 5 seperate 5% chances to have a fumble effect in a given round. Is that equal to the general chance an attacker has to fumble and crit during a given combat? On one hand, it would nicely represent a more chatoic form of spell casting.

I guess my question revolves around wondering how exactly a critical fumble happens in this system. A critical hit was allready in the rules, paizo just came up with some neat effects to add to it. So what actually causes someone to draw from this critical deck?

Glad to hear the decks are almost ready to go and I'm postin gto see my pathfinder subscriber title :) I'm also waiting for my first book to ship to start racking up the 15% discount on most everything elso Paizo offers.

Kohl

Joshua,

On the same subject, wouldn't the fighters/melee class also be more apt to fumble since they are attacking more often with a melee weapon than a caster anyway? If a mage jumps in and swings a sword every round up to 6th level, they'd be just as prone to a fumble as a fighter. After that, with the multiple attack a fighter gets, they would be more apt to fumble but like before, they are swinging a sword or shooting their weapon more often than the casters anyway.

To me it's a moot point and it's a just built into their class (melee)they might fumble more often than a caster class.

Kohl

I know our GM is going to get us with this one.... I wonder how it is used.

On the same subject, wouldn't the fighters/melee class also be more apt to fumble since they are attacking more often with a melee weapon than a caster anyway? If a mage jumps in and swings a sword every round up to 6th level, they'd be just as prone to a fumble as a fighter. After that, with the multiple attack a fighter gets, they would be more apt to fumble but like before, they are swinging a sword or shooting their weapon more often than the casters anyway.

To me it's a moot point and it's a just built into their class (melee)they might fumble more often than a caster class.

I know our GM is going to get us with this one.... I wonder how it is used.

I've got the perfect set of dice for this deck: All the 1's are replaced with "d'oh".

I've got the perfect set of dice for this deck: All the 1's are replaced with "d'oh".

The rules and optional rules are shown in the example cards. On a natural "1", you would have to re-roll the attach and if that attack misses, it is a critical fumble. One of the optional rules is that you can only critical fumble once per combat. I assume that is there to prevent the characters from killing themselves. *smile*

(Check today's Paizo Blog for the optional rules and 2 new spells)

Overall, I really like what I have seen and have preordered this product at my LGS. It will be used in any game I run from here on out.

When will this be at my FLGS?

j.

When will this be at my FLGS?

j.

Has this started shipping yet? I'm still waiting...

My account says it shipped yesterday (Wed). I cant wait for this.

My FLGS said they get it in end of this month. I await with MUCH anticipation.

"Just" missed the availability date with my last order. Shoot. Hopefully these are still around in a few months when I order again.

I got mine yesterday, and look forward to using them this weekend!! I really hope I can write an 'afterplay' review of them Sunday... but that's up to the dice gods.

Separating out the effects by damage type on each card was inspired...

If I suffer the fumble, do I get a piece of pie?

Quick, swap weapons! See who can be first to collect one of each!

HumidCityLoki wrote:

Separating out the effects by damage type on each card was inspired...

It's like a warped form of Trivial Pursuit card!

If I suffer the fumble, do I get a piece of pie?

Quick, swap weapons! See who can be first to collect one of each!

One of the optional rules is that you can only critical fumble once per combat. I assume that is there to prevent the characters from killing themselves. *smile*

...I am in the category of my favored enemy, so I did extra damage from that.

yoda8myhead wrote:

...I am in the category of my favored enemy, so I did extra damage from that.

To me, the spirit of the favored enemy rule would forgive that damage.

I plan on utilizing both the crit hit & fumble when I run CotCT. Just waiting on the fumble deck to ship so we can start. I'm definately looking forward to see how these products pan out in the AP.

Well I'm glad I just put in my order for this and the crit hit deck, I can't wait to start using them in the game. I also want to get the magnetic initiative tracker, but there's only so much I can slip by the wife at any given time.

I think my group found a design flaw yesterday.

When a card declares that a saving throw negates an effect, what is the DC for the saving throw? The rules cards included with the deck don't say.

The critical hit deck stated that the confirmation roll would be the DC for the saving throw. With the fumble deck, where the confirmation roll will be a low number, that doesn't make sense.

On the Definitions card it states that:

Unless a DC is listed, the DC for any necessary save is equal to the armor class of the target.

Is this been sent to distributors yet? I cannot find it at any game store in the area, they all say they are back ordered. Even Amazon doesn't have it.

We have used the fumble deck for two sessions now and I have to say that its quite fun. One of our players was joking that this was his deck since he never seems to get to use the critical hit deck.

Unfortunately for him, he's been right in all the wrong ways. In these two sessions, he's fumbled twice(as a caster and ended up giving the enemy spell resist he never managed to get through for the rest of the combat) and twice now others have fumbled and ended up striking him(once with a crit).

Even he's been really into it and enjoying it a great deal though. Love the deck.

-Tarlane

Is this been sent to distributors yet? I cannot find it at any game store in the area, they all say they are back ordered. Even Amazon doesn't have it.

However, I just checked Alliance's database, and they appear to be out of stock right now. We have plenty, and will prod them to reorder. Please ask your retailer to also prod his distributor, whether it's Alliance or otherwise!

Okay, now I've got the critical deck, and the fumble deck. Paizo, what you need to offer is a nice case/box/tray to keep them in and easily use at the table.

Perhaps a mix between these:
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BigChief wrote:

Is this been sent to distributors yet? I cannot find it at any game store in the area, they all say they are back ordered. Even Amazon doesn't have it.

Not only has it gone to distributors, but the street date was nearly a month ago. I think we've even restocked some outlets already.

However, I just checked Alliance's database, and they appear to be out of stock right now. We have plenty, and will prod them to reorder. Please ask your retailer to also prod his distributor, whether it's Alliance or otherwise!

Hesistate to ask, but will these work for 4e?

earlier poster answered that these work in 1,2 and 3x w/ minor changes DM fiat etc.