James,

I've read your article on the Pathfinder monsters, and was wondering if I might make a suggestion?

I rather miss the days of the AD&D Monstrous Manual, where each monster received their own page (nothing quite takes the bite from a fellow like being squeezed in with the next chap).

While I do not know if your pagination/space requirements will allow this, I would find it preferable to the...scrunching...that is seen so often in WotC publications.

Ah, for the Invisible Stalker art of old...

So do any of you Paizo guys know if there is an ISBN# on this yet? I work part time at Barnes and Noble. I was going to look to see if it's in the system. Sometimes we get advanced info on soon to be released books but it's not coming up under a keyword search. I could do an ISBN search if I had one.

I DO hope we get to cary Pathfinder. There are a bunch of us here that would LOVE to not only play but help sell and support you guys.

The emp. discount isn't half bad either ;o)

At the time, I was working on "Wells of Darkness." Just finishing up the edit of Shami-Amourae's stat block and one of the most complicated liches I've ever seen (thanks, Eric!), actually, and then wandered over to the messageboards for a statblock break.

You're welcome! Any time! ;-)

--Eric

I am really excited about this product! Am I the only one who thinks "pathfinder" is a cheesy name for this line though?

Ok, so I converted to Pathfinder...

Start my month-to-month subscription to Pathfinder after these volumes so I don't miss a single adventure. This qualifies me as a "charter subscriber" and I'll get a free copy of the Player's Guide to Rise of the Runelords. (You'll be prompted to proceed through the order checkout process to set up your subscription.)

...and I had that checkbox selected. I never actually found myself at the checkout process, though, and I'm apparently not a charter subscriber. Maybe this should go to a different board, but this is the one I found.

And I had another question, anyway--is it likely that we'll be seeing other gamemastery products to tie in directly with Pathfinder? Miniature sets per module, or other such?

EDIT: Doh...just re-saved my choice, and it prompted me to go to the checkout. Here, I was thinking it would transfer me automatically.

While I'm EXTREMELY disappointed that Dragon and Dungeon will no longer be published, I have to say that "Pathfinder" sounds like a great series. I like campaign arcs, and the synopsis of the Runelords sounds like good, solid, D&D.

This is the option I chose, since I had subscription credit. I have enough for the entire six-issue arc, and plan on wrapping up my current campaign in time to prepare the players for the Pathfinder campaign next fall.

I just hope the quality of writing, art, and even paper material is as good as Paizo is indicating.

My players don't want to throw away their 15th level characters, brought up thru AD&D ver 1 and 2, d20 D&D 3.0 and 3.5, just to play low level characters.

So these first few $19.95 issues WON'T contain adventure paths suitable for higher level characters, making the adventure HALF of limited use to most DMs. The remaing stuff that is only briefly referred to as a few monsters (low level?) and details on your new adventuring world (again, of dubious value to most DMs) doesn't SOUND like I'm going to get my money's worth. AND if I don't buy these low-level issues, I'll be lost if I buy later issues because IT'S ALL ONE SINGLE ADVENTURE!

When will download-able PDF samples of this new product be available?

I don't think this was as good a decision as Paizo and their parent company Wizards of the Coast think it is ...

My players don't want to throw away their 15th level characters, brought up thru AD&D ver 1 and 2, d20 D&D 3.0 and 3.5, just to play low level characters.

So these first few $19.95 issues WON'T contain adventure paths suitable for higher level characters, making the adventure HALF of limited use to most DMs. The remaing stuff that is only briefly referred to as a few monsters (low level?) and details on your new adventuring world (again, of dubious value to most DMs) doesn't SOUND like I'm going to get my money's worth. AND if I don't buy these low-level issues, I'll be lost if I buy later issues because IT'S ALL ONE SINGLE ADVENTURE!

When will download-able PDF samples of this new product be available?

I don't think this was as good a decision as Paizo and their parent company Wizards of the Coast think it is ...

If Pathfinder doesn't meet your needs, you should try checking out our line of standalone GameMastery modules. We'll undoubtedly have some in your party's level range, and the whole point of those is to cater to the folks who, like your players, aren't interested in Adventure Paths.

...and Wizards isn't our parent company. We're 100% separate entities.

James,

I've read your article on the Pathfinder monsters, and was wondering if I might make a suggestion?

I rather miss the days of the AD&D Monstrous Manual, where each monster received their own page (nothing quite takes the bite from a fellow like being squeezed in with the next chap).

While I do not know if your pagination/space requirements will allow this, I would find it preferable to the...scrunching...that is seen so often in WotC publications.

Ah, for the Invisible Stalker art of old...

Here at Pathfinder, we believe strongly that all new monsters are entitled to at least a page, if not two....

Here at Pathfinder, we believe strongly that all new monsters are entitled to at least a page, if not two....

Capital. :)

So do any of you Paizo guys know if there is an ISBN# on this yet? I work part time at Barnes and Noble. I was going to look to see if it's in the system. Sometimes we get advanced info on soon to be released books but it's not coming up under a keyword search. I could do an ISBN search if I had one.

I DO hope we get to cary Pathfinder. There are a bunch of us here that would LOVE to not only play but help sell and support you guys.

The emp. discount isn't half bad either ;o)

Interestingly enough, I work at a B&N, too (Woodmere, OH). Unfortunately, I've tried to get Paizo-published material there, and with only passing success. We had a subscription for Dungeon (and that's why I'm a DM again) and Dragon, but as far as the hardcovers went, we only got the art of Dragon. We couldn't even get the Dragon Compendium or Shackled City Hardcover. This surprises me, as almost half of our store managers alone (including the GM) are long-time gamers. Perhaps it's a regional/district choice, but unless things change, we might not even see it on the shelves of our respective B&Ns. Who knows? I might be wrong, and we'll see it in the Role-Playing Games section come August. All the same, I'm subscribing from the site, just in case, especially for the free player's guide.

I am really excited about this product! Am I the only one who thinks "pathfinder" is a cheesy name for this line though?

I like the name. Since the series is about Adventure Paths it seems to make sense.

...and Wizards isn't our parent company. We're 100% separate entities.

I guess I misunderstood all the press releases stating that Paizo was "spun off" of WotC's publishing department 2 years ago. That DOES NOT sound like Paizo is 100% seperate, without any corporate connection, but more like Paizo is trying to distance themselves from the decision to kill Dragon and Dungeon magazines.

I take it from your neglecting to answer the only questions I asked (about download-able PDF samples, and if the monster levels in this Pathfinder are aimed at the low level characters) means you DON'T offer any way to check your product out before buying. I shall not buy a "pig in a poke", we're not that naive out here!

I guess I misunderstood all the press releases stating that Paizo was "spun off" of WotC's publishing department 2 years ago. That DOES NOT sound like Paizo is 100% seperate, without any corporate connection, but more like Paizo is trying to distance themselves from the decision to kill Dragon and Dungeon magazines.

I take it from your neglecting to answer the only questions I asked (about download-able PDF samples, and if the monster levels in this Pathfinder are aimed at the low level characters) means you DON'T offer any way to check your product out before buying. I shall not buy a "pig in a poke", we're not that naive out here!

Sorry for the confusion - "Spun off," in that context, meant that Paizo was originally formed by a bunch of ex-Wizards folks for the purposes of independently licensing and producing the magazines. So while the people involved had ties to Wizards in their past, the company itself is totally independent. In fact, we're not alone - many of the major game companies around these days are headed by people who honed their chops at Wizards at some point.

I didn't answer the PDF samples question because I didn't know the answer - I think it's probable that we'll have sample spreads from Pathfinder available for public viewing, but it won't be for a while yet (as the product isn't set to release for some time). As for the CRs of monsters in Pathfinder - while they may sometimes all be around the level of the featured adventure, more often they'll range all over the place. The only consistency we're committing to right now with the bestiary is that we'll try to pick monsters that are thematically tied to the given adventure (if not explicitly featured).

Nobody here wants to sell you a pig in a poke. As far as we're concerned, the new products we're coming out with are some of the best material on the market, and showing you more about them can only help us (hence the paizo blog - you can check out several of the covers, sketches for our new goblins, etc.). We're also doing the best we can to answer everyone's questions, so please keep asking them! Just understand that we are, naturally, a little busy at the moment. :)

Thanks!

-James

Interestingly enough, I work at a B&N, too (Woodmere, OH). Unfortunately, I've tried to get Paizo-published material there, and with only passing success. We had a subscription for Dungeon (and that's why I'm a DM again) and Dragon, but as far as the hardcovers went, we only got the art of Dragon. We couldn't even get the Dragon Compendium or Shackled City Hardcover. This surprises me, as almost half of our store managers alone (including the GM) are long-time gamers. Perhaps it's a regional/district choice, but unless things change, we might not even see it on the shelves of our respective B&Ns. Who knows? I might be wrong, and we'll see it in the Role-Playing Games section come August. All the same, I'm subscribing from the site, just in case, especially for the free player's guide.

I think it depends on what is selling in that area. I'm in Arlington TX. Mostly we get just WOTC stuff. Especially a ton of D&D Mini's. I think we got the Dragon Compendium once. It sold but we never got another one. When I first started working there we were getting Dungeon and Dragon but only like 1 or 2 copies. I got my gaming budies to start buying their copies at my store and suddenly we started getting like 6 ot 7 copies. We're back down to just 3 copies now though. Not sure why.

Now the Southlake TX store, the newest store in the area, has a HUGE selection of RPG's. I believe that I even saw a "Shackled City" there early on when they first opened.

I may just have to see if they'll let me get a few copies in. If nothing else, if it pops up in the system, I'll just order it. We would get it for the same cost as the subscription price but with NO shipping!

My players don't want to throw away their 15th level characters, brought up thru AD&D ver 1 and 2, d20 D&D 3.0 and 3.5, just to play low level characters.

Wow...I'm trying to understand how you guys have maintained characters for nigh on 20 years (I'm guessing) and they're only 15th level...you must be one tough DM.

My group manages several PCs for each player (used for different games/adventures, not played simultaneously); one guy has a 16th level sorcerer, a 5th level thief, a 7th level paladin; two different CoC characters. The oldest guy in the group has been at it since the very early 80s, and while he's resurrected old 1E characters for fun, the _original_ characters are aged, wizened and virtual gods at this point. Then again, my group doesn't tend to connect in the same way as other groups to their PCs--there's not a lot of true, emotional investment, but we still have a blast! At any rate, if the group can get into the fun of the adventure and playing experience (social aspect, I mean), it doesn't really matter what level characters they play, especially if they move from world to world. Transitioning from playing a 17th level to a 1st level is a pretty good challenge by itself!

Ive been buying Dungeons on and off for a few years but in the last year got a subscription due to the great quality. To be honest Im looking forward to this change of design and see what all of you at paizo do with more freedom.

For the folks who were asking about Pathfinder ISBN numbers:

Rise of the Runelords #1 978-1-60125-035-3
Rise of the Runelords #1 (Alternate Cover) 978-1-60125-036-0
Rise of the Runelords #2 978-1-60125-037-7
Rise of the Runelords #3 978-1-60125-038-4
Rise of the Runelords #4 978-1-60125-039-1
Rise of the Runelords #5 978-1-60125-040-7
Rise of the Runelords #6 978-1-60125-041-4

For the folks who were asking about Pathfinder ISBN numbers:...

Thanks! I hope I can dig these puppies up when they surface on our comps, and mention it to interested customers. (I'm constantly running across newbies perusing the RPG section, and recommending this or that.) I'm probably going to subscribe for the first month at least for that PHB.

Interestingly enough, I work at a B&N, too (Woodmere, OH). Unfortunately, I've tried to get Paizo-published material there, and with only passing success.

Diamond is our distributor for the book trade, and they're carrying a pretty solid selection of our products. Please make sure your buyers are talking to them!

Isn't Dungeon also 96 pages, roughly?

That may be, but how many pages are ads?

I put the subscription in my cart and it said 13.99. Yet each issue of the Runelords say it is 19.99. So this is the 30% of they were talking about but is this going to be billed for each issue? Is this going to be an annual subscription? And for the annual subscription it is 167.88? Please be more clear how the subscription is designed to work?

I put the subscription in my cart and it said 13.99. Yet each issue of the Runelords say it is 19.99. So this is the 30% of they were talking about but is this going to be billed for each issue? Is this going to be an annual subscription? And for the annual subscription it is 167.88? Please be more clear how the subscription is designed to work?

It's an ongoing subscription—each month, we'll charge your card for that 30%-discounted price, plus shipping, as we send out your issue. You don't need to worry about it ending in a year—or ever—until you choose to cancel it.

SO...Will we be seeing the same quality work from current writers, for the Dungeon or Dragon mags, in Pathfinder?

SO...Will we be seeing the same quality work from current writers, for the Dungeon or Dragon mags, in Pathfinder?

I certainly hope so, since we're using the same writers we used in the magazines to do Pathfinder stuff. If it's NOT the same quality (or better quality) I'll take the blame. And I don't want to have to take that blame.

So yup. Same or better quality.

First of all, so you don't think I am being completely negative, let me say that I think that you all at Paizo make great adventure paths! My question involves what we are getting for our money:

Currently, Dungeon is about 96 pages and costs $7.99 per issue (about $3.50 for subscribers who subscribe by the year or longer). Each adventure path takes 12 magazines to complete the advenutre path story.

How many Pathfinders will it take to complete an adventure path? I guess my only problem is that what I am now paying $3.50 for, I will be paying $19.99 for with no *obvious* return on investment based on what I was getting with Dungeon. Every person that I know that plays the game that has talked about Pathfinder has made this same observation so it really isn't just me being cheap.

Also, will there be a discounted yearly subscription and is the $19.99 just a "feeler" price? If it doesn't sell as well as you expect, will you likely lower the price or drop the product line?

Thanks,

Danny

After much tough, I have finally decided to stick to one famous Spanish proverb: "A Rey Muerto, Rey Puesto". Freely translated, it says more or less that when a king dies, another comes to replace him. In my case, since Dungeon and Dragon magazines are history (at least on paper format), I have just subscribed to Pathfinder. Main reasons are twofold: the great quality of Paizo's products (specially the aforementioned magazines) and the fantastic service Paizo staff provides to customers. So...long live Pathfinder!

daedel, el azote.

First of all, so you don't think I am being completely negative, let me say that I think that you all at Paizo make great adventure paths! My question involves what we are getting for our money:

Currently, Dungeon is about 96 pages and costs $7.99 per issue (about $3.50 for subscribers who subscribe by the year or longer). Each adventure path takes 12 magazines to complete the advenutre path story.

How many Pathfinders will it take to complete an adventure path? I guess my only problem is that what I am now paying $3.50 for, I will be paying $19.99 for with no *obvious* return on investment based on what I was getting with Dungeon. Every person that I know that plays the game that has talked about Pathfinder has made this same observation so it really isn't just me being cheap.

Also, will there be a discounted yearly subscription and is the $19.99 just a "feeler" price? If it doesn't sell as well as you expect, will you likely lower the price or drop the product line?

Hi Danny:

I answered your first question is my Letter From the CEO that got posted yesterday. It will take 6 volumes of Pathfinder to complete an Adventure Path instead of the 12 issues of Dungeon it now takes.

On the subscription front, if you sign up for our month to month subscription to Pathfinder, it only ends up costing you $13.99 plus shipping to get each volume. In addition, subscribers will get a PDF of that issue for FREE.

Hopefully this answers your questions!

-Lisa

On the subscription front, if you sign up for our month to month subscription to Pathfinder, it only ends up costing you $13.99 plus shipping to get each volume. In addition, subscribers will get a PDF of that issue for FREE.

Hopefully this answers your questions!

-Lisa

It's that shipping that does it, though. You save $6 by subscribing and then pay $5 for shipping. I fear it's not the deal you make it out to be.

How much is it again just to buy the electronic versions?

PDFs will be $13.99. So, if you like, you can think of subscribing as buying a PDF every month and getting the printed volume for the cost of shipping.

::blink blink::

That's the most convincing argument I've seen so far. I think you're working in the wrong office, Vic.

hey will i be able to get it here in iraq

hey will i be able to get it here in iraq

It's available worldwide! (Besides, if you're in the military, you have a US address!)

I am so frickin excited about this new AP. Best...wait...EVAR!

Plageman wrote:

Will there be shipping offers for us living overseas ?

Indeed. International shipping on a month-to-month subscription is $5 worldwide.

Oh Joy! Those are just the words I needed to hear. And another question, can I change the shipping address at anytime? I think the answer is yes, but I do like to hear it from the horses mouth sort to speak.

And another question, can I change the shipping address at anytime? I think the answer is yes, but I do like to hear it from the horses mouth sort to speak.

Thanks.

Yep. Just head over to your subscriptions page.

For the folks who were asking about Pathfinder ISBN numbers:

Rise of the Runelords #1 978-1-60125-035-3
Rise of the Runelords #1 (Alternate Cover) 978-1-60125-036-0

This has probably be covered somewhere once before, but what is the difference between the two covers? Is one for subscribers? Or is it just random choice which one you get?

The alternate cover is a limited edition that will be sold exclusively as part of the Gen Con launch. Any that are left over from that will be available for sale at paizo.com. The interior contents are identical. Subscribers will receive the normal white edition, which will match all of the other covers in the series.

--Erik

Erik,
Thanks for the information. Now if I could just make it to GenCon. It's only a 2 hour drive, but my son's birthday falls in the middle of it... Maybe I can just bring him along ;)

When will the overload pdf for the first adventure be ready?

Better make sure Jacobs isn't still in the jacuzzi knocking back mohitos and chatting some sports illustrated swimsuit models.

please bear with me a moment,
i have been living in a cave like a deaf-blind darkmantle with no RPG interaction for months..

I for one, kind of welcome, the OGL material of Pathfinder.
I know the quality will be good. And the August release date is just the right time for me to get into RPG again.

Now, I was a brief subscriber to Dragon and Dungeon Mags. But i cancel because the delivery service was horrible. Horrid as in 8-10 weeks after the release dates.

I am wondering if Pathfinder will have an improved mailing system?
If i get the 1st issue of Pathfinder within 2 weeks after the release date,... but if i get it in late September.. then that's not cool.

Hi Goblin,

I know that I had a similar unpleasant experience with my mags subscription in 2003 or 2004 (I am in Germany, Europe). I cancelled my subscription and bought my mags locally for a while. Fortunately, it seems they had a major mailing overhaul in late 2005/early 2006.

I re-subscribed to Dragon and Dungeon in early 2006. Delivery times were much better and the mags usually arrived within two weeks of being shipped. It's been very reliable for a full year and, based on this positive experience, I have now subscribed to Pathfinder (and will add a GameMastery subscription once the combined shipping option is sorted out).

So, if your bad experience is from 2005 or before, things have changed.

Hope this helps.

Bocklin

AFAIK if you subscribe you can download the issue when it is shipped. A great way of handling such horrible waiting periods!

I am wondering if Pathfinder will have an improved mailing system?

I see you live in Canada. The magazines shipped by periodicals rate (very slow) from our printer. The default shipping option for Pathfinder to Canada would be by a bound printed matter parcel rate, which should be faster. However, we believe that most of the problems in Canadian delivery were caused by Canada Post, which seem to regularly get slow in December and January, and they'll still be involved.

You do have an option to upgrade your shipping, though, to First Class or Priority.

Hrmm. . . so, the pathfinder series only takes the characters up to 15th level or so? I am sort of disappointed by that. I really prefer to run and play in the higher levels, and the Adventure Paths always have at least 4 really good high level adventures, some even giving PCs the opportunity to pick up an epic level.

Why is the adventure path halting at 15? Are all the adventure paths going to take PCs from 1st level to 15th? Because if its an issue of space I certainly hope that a few of the paths will start at a higher level and end at 20.

Hrmm. . . so, the pathfinder series only takes the characters up to 15th level or so?

Not exactly. Each Pathfinder adventure path will take the characters to whatever level is appropriate to tell the story. For Rise of the Runelords, it's 1st to 15th level. Future Pathfinder adventure paths may indeed include other level ranges.

Why is the adventure path halting at 15? Are all the adventure paths going to take PCs from 1st level to 15th? Because if its an issue of space I certainly hope that a few of the paths will start at a higher level and end at 20.

For Pathfinder Adventure Paths, we're adopting a less restrictive model for the campaigns. We'll be letting the campaign itself dictate how long it runs and for what levels, rather than trying to shoehorn everything into a 1-20 range. This philosophy would have, I think, made Shackled City a stronger campaign, for example; we probably would have ended that campaign at the end of Thirteen Cages and not gone on for the next two adventures (which sort of feel tacked on in my opinion).

For Rise of the Runelords, the story we wanted to tell brings PCs up to 15th-16th level. That won't be the range for all Pathfinder Adventure Paths, though; it's certainly not a matter of size. We've got a LOT of room in Pathfinder.

I can certainly see, down the road, doing an adventure that spans 1st-20th, or 5th-20th, or 10th-25th, or 17th-27th levels. Again, it'll be decided more by the needs of the story than anything else.

That said... general reader feedback seems to be that most of our readers prefer to play at low and mid levels; once things start reaching 15th level and above, interest starts to wane. If there's a strong enough demand for higher level adventures, we'll absolutely deliver. We'll do some anyway, in fact... but if there's more of a wish for adventure paths that go from 1st-20th or higher... we won't know until you tell us! :)

...general reader feedback seems to be that most of our readers prefer to play at low and mid levels; once things start reaching 15th level and above, interest starts to wane. If there's a strong enough demand for higher level adventures, we'll absolutely deliver. We'll do some anyway, in fact... but if there's more of a wish for adventure paths that go from 1st-20th or higher... we won't know until you tell us! :)

I just wanted to chime in here to represent at least one of those voices from the "general reader feedback" that James described.

I'm ecstatic that RotRL will only go from 1st to 15th. I definitely prefer the low- to mid-levels and my interest abruptly drops as PCs reach the 15th-20th level range. The previous APs were great in the beginning...but often, by the end, they diminished somewhat for me. They were still good, of course...just not as exciting or interesting for me.

Additionally, by going to 15th or 16th level, you essentially give each character a chance to reach the pinnacle of their class (e.g., spellcasters get 9th level spells, and so on). And yet, you leave room for the DM to carry on with those characters into whatever additional campaign or story he wishes to take them. The AP doesn't define the PCs' entire lives...or at least the majority of it. In that regard, I like how it's open-ended.

Now to carry forward with that idea a bit, I like the fact that Pathfinder will skip around with future APs. Maybe as a DM you've got a great idea for a series of homebrew low-level adventures you want to take the PCs through...say from 1st to 5th. But after that, you don't really have anything specific in mind for them from a campaign standpoint. Well, a future Pathfinder AP that takes PCs from 5th to 20th would be perfect for that. And of course, you can mix-and-match as much as you like.

For me, one of the things that appeals the most to me about Pathfinder is that you're going to get campaigns out of it...as in plural...and that they're each going to be open-ended on one side or the other of the PCs' adventuring careers in a way that it won't define their entire career...but give you enough material to define a great portion of it. The rest is open-ended for you to play with as the DM. To me that provides the perfect blend of a DM resource that assists with campaign building...but not at the expense of spelling out everything and taking away some of the opportunities to build part of the campaign's adventures yourself.

So, gimme lots of low- to mid-level campaign "arcs" or adventure paths for me to use and get started. Occasionally, give me a few that start out at 3rd, 4th, or 5th level and continue forward from there. But I don't have a tremendous need for APs that start off at 15th level and run up to 30th or anything. My players like to experience the slow build of their characters from 1st level...and once they've attained about everything they can accomplish in terms of character growth (both in a roleplaying sense as well as a game mechanics sense), they're ready to start over with a new set of PCs and a new campaign. Hence, Pathfinder's provision for not one, but two, APs per year is perfect for us.

One thing I would like to suggest, however, that I haven't heard James or anyone else touch upon is the prospect for an AP that starts out at something like 3rd level and carries on for less than a 15- or 20-level progression...i.e., something like 3rd through 13th...so that we get only a 10-level progression with the ability to fill in the story on the front-side and back-side of the campaign. I think I'd find that useful. Maybe the writers would as well, since it would give an opportunity to detail things even more for each adventure. And, if you gave us campaign arcs that were smaller and open-ended on both sides, you might even be able to squeeze out three APs a year instead of just two...which is something I'd consider an even greater value...and would bring Pathfinder that much closer to the sheer number of adventures and adventure options that Dungeon has...while also providing more opportuntiies for freelancers to write for Paizo (which again, is something I'm personally interested in doing at some point).

At any rate, thanks again, Paizo. Keep up the impressive work. Your professionalism and expertise in crafting Pathfinder is to be applauded.

My two-cents,
--Neil

Additionally, by going to 15th or 16th level, you essentially give each character a chance to reach the pinnacle of their class (e.g., spellcasters get 9th level spells, and so on).

I'm assuming you got carried away here, but I don't believe you get 9th level spells that early.

Anyway, thanks for your opinion. I see you fit comfortably in the majority who allegedly don't care for post-15th level adventures. I'll put myself on record for being in the minority, though. As long as James is keeping track...

Just to clarify: it's not that I prefer high-level adventures to lower-level ones; but I enjoy them at all levels. It's too bad standard D&D breaks down after 20th level, b/c the epic rules as done for 3.0 weren't quite what the doctor ordered.

I like your suggestion for perhaps shorter adventure paths. That way we could get something a little closer to the goodness that is going away w/ Dungeon's demise. Maybe even a compromise between a "full" AP and a story arc (3 issues of Dungeon). But in truth, I'm expecting to like everything Pathfinder does, regardless of story length or levels.