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I'm not graping or whining, I'm just passing on what I heard from the grapevine. But surely you would not blame me for bemoaning the scarcity of our beloved publisher, which, while perhaps due to pressing matters, should not be seedless of his grape duties. I doubt you will reap a HARvest of laughs if it results in juice the slightest slowdown or drop in quality.
I'm not graping or whining, I'm just passing on what I heard from the grapevine. But surely you would not blame me for bemoaning the scarcity of our beloved publisher, which, while perhaps due to pressing matters, should not be seedless of his grape duties. I doubt you will reap a HARvest of laughs if it results in juice the slightest slowdown or drop in quality.
The WIN.
American wine ?
That's a good joke.What's the French word for sour grapes again?
Americans and Aussies would like to know. ;-)
David, you're so going to have to give up your Mona Fanclub card after that post.
I am afraid to say that the chillian, south africans, australians and germans are with the french on this one dude. And we english, who consume vast quantities of wine, also agree.
whats the difference between america and yogurt? When left alone for a few hundred years, even yogurt developes a culture. :PEet ees Sweel! We stuffy Europeans know best, mais oui!American wine ?
That's a good joke.
What's the difference between America and England? Everyone in the world wants to come to America. :)
I will simply say that looking down on American wine does not fit with the realities that are recognized widely, and certainly by all honest people in the global industry, since 1976. IF there is ongoing lag in various segments of the population of the countries named to these realities, then this admitted elitist can only pity such ignorance. You're much safer looking down on mass-produced American beer from, say, somewhere in Belgium, than looking down on American wine from anywhere.
I will simply say that looking down on American wine does not fit with the realities that are recognized widely, and certainly by all honest people in the global industry, since 1976. IF there is ongoing lag in various segments of the population of the countries named to these realities, then this admitted elitist can only pity such ignorance. You're much safer looking down on mass-produced American beer from, say, somewhere in Belgium, than looking down on American wine from anywhere.
Seely American peeg-dog, we do not accept your realité!
We are Fronch! (and Eengleesh too but zhey are zhe same theeng!)
I will simply say that looking down on American wine does not fit with the realities that are recognized widely, and certainly by all honest people in the global industry, since 1976. IF there is ongoing lag in various segments of the population of the countries named to these realities, then this admitted elitist can only pity such ignorance. You're much safer looking down on mass-produced American beer from, say, somewhere in Belgium, than looking down on American wine from anywhere.
Disclamer (I am an Australian) American wine is good, Californian wine in particular is very good. It takes time for the vine to mature to a point where the grape makes good wine. California has a good wine making environment and great vines.
So Zomb dont include us Aussies in puting down American wine.
which reminds me of a Monty Python sketch
WINE EXPERT (Eric Idle):
A lot of people in this country pooh-pooh Australian table wines. This is a pity as many fine Australian wines appeal not only to the Australian palate but also to the cognoscenti of Great Britain.
Black Stump Bordeaux is rightly praised as a peppermint flavoured Burgundy, whilst a good Sydney Syrup can rank with any of the world's best sugary wines.
Château Blue, too, has won many prizes; not least for its taste, and its lingering afterburn.
Old Smokey 1968 has been compared favourably to a Welsh claret, whilst the Australian Wino Society thoroughly recommends a 1970 Coq du Rod Laver, which, believe me, has a kick on it like a mule: eight bottles of this and you're really finished. At the opening of the Sydney Bridge Club, they were fishing them out of the main sewers every half an hour.
Of the sparkling wines, the most famous is Perth Pink. This is a bottle with a message in, and the message is 'beware'. This is not a wine for drinking, this is a wine for laying down and avoiding.
Another good fighting wine is Melbourne Old-and-Yellow, which is particularly heavy and should be used only for hand-to-hand combat.
Quite the reverse is true of Château Chunder, which is an appellation contrôlée, specially grown for those keen on regurgitation; a fine wine which really opens up the sluices at both ends.
Real emetic fans will also go for a Hobart Muddy, and a prize winning Cuivre Reserve Château Bottled Nuit San Wogga Wogga, which has a bouquet like an aborigine's armpit.
American Beer on the other hand is not the best. But then I like dark beer like Carlton Black, Newcastle Brown, Toohey's Old or Guiness.
8D, my "IF" was for you and the many well-heeled Aussies like yourself that help support America's $1 Billion plus a year wine exports. I raise a glass of excellent and affordable Shiraz in your honor.
And of course the Monty Python is a classic, and American beer would be nothing but a torture drink if it wasn't for microbreweries, which I doubt are heavily exported. I hope the swill of the big beer companies isn't either, but I have nightmares.
8D, my "IF" was for you and the many well-heeled Aussies like yourself that help support America's $1 Billion plus a year wine exports. I raise a glass of excellent and affordable Shiraz in your honor.
And of course the Monty Python is a classic, and American beer would be nothing but a torture drink if it wasn't for microbreweries, which I doubt are heavily exported. I hope the swill of the big beer companies isn't either, but I have nightmares.
Yes I should have said like most mass produced beer American mass produced beer definitely is not the best.
There is nothing better than heading out to a winery and sampling the good stuff. Usually the wineries grow some olives, or have goats or some exotic orchards so the food that comes with the tasting is just as exquisite.
If you are ever on the east coast of Australia I recommend the Briar Ridge Gewürztraminer from the Hunter Valley.
......and American beer would be nothing but a torture drink if it wasn't for microbreweries, which I doubt are heavily exported. I hope the swill of the big beer companies isn't either, but I have nightmares.
For the most part I agree. The American microbreweries and brew pubs are a blessing upon all. I wish people would stop treating the big companies (Miller, Anheuser-Busch) as the end-all/be-all of American beer.
That being said, Miller, Budweiser, etc, are decent examples of lagers - albeit American style. I don't prefer to drink them, but I wouldn't turn my nose up at them like a beer snob.
That's okay, Aberzombie. I loudly and proudly turn up my nose at American pilsners every chance I get. Don't hate my because I'm a beer snob.
Hey, 8D, is that Gewürztraminer a Kabinett? (The one which is relatively dry and not so über sweet?)
EDIT: I guess I give up on this thread entertaining Mona. Or irritating?
That's okay, Aberzombie. I loudly and proudly turn up my nose at American pilsners every chance I get. Don't hate my because I'm a beer snob.
Hey, 8D, is that Gewürztraminer a Kabinett? (The one which is relatively dry and not so über sweet?)
EDIT: I guess I give up on this thread entertaining Mona. Or irritating?
It depends - The Hunter Valley is very warm so the sugar content can be higher than that of somewhere like The Barossa Valley which is more like Germany environment wise.
It smells sweet kind of a rosewater/Lychee smell but has a crisp dry taste.
It goes very well with Thai food.
For the most part I agree. The American microbreweries and brew pubs are a blessing upon all. I wish people would stop treating the big companies (Miller, Anheuser-Busch) as the end-all/be-all of American beer.
I was at a conference in Colorado a few years back and they had put out some bottled beers from a local microbrewery, sadly in a large bath of ice. A short time later you were able to identify all of the british delegates at a glance by the fact that they were using any and all methods available to warm the wonderful stuff up to a decent drinking temperature :)
What's the difference between America and England? Everyone in the world wants to come to America. :)whats the difference between america and yogurt? When left alone for a few hundred years, even yogurt developes a culture. :PEet ees Sweel! We stuffy Europeans know best, mais oui!American wine ?
That's a good joke.
For area land mass we have a proportionally larger immergration rate immergration. :P
In fairness, american wine is actually okay. I am not really that fond of it but that is a personal taste thing. IT is just always nice when an opertunity to razz america comes up ;)
Sorry went into wine snob mode... Teasing the Yanks is fun but not as much fun as getting one over on the Poms. Thank you for taking Peter Andre and Dannii by the way.
Also thank you for lending us Aussie Ben Elton and Ross Noble you can send more of your talent this way, Billie Piper would be nice.
In fairness, american wine is actually okay. I am not really that fond of it but that is a personal taste thing. IT is just always nice when an opertunity to razz america comes up ;)
Sorry went into wine snob mode... Teasing the Yanks is fun but not as much fun as getting one over on the Poms. Thank you for taking Peter Andre and Dannii by the way.
Also thank you for lending us Aussie Ben Elton and Ross Noble you can send more of your talent this way, Billie Piper would be nice.
Dude...*Waves the ashes at The 8th Dwarf.* Oh and the paper work regarding your use of weapons of mass distraction, aka Peter Andre is on the way to the hague.
But don't worry, we have already produced a superiourly terrible weapon to ensure that you cannot repeat that little ploy...Jedward.
I am afraid to say that the chillian, south africans, australians and germans are with the french on this one dude. And we english, who consume vast quantities of wine, also agree.
What about Italian wine, while we are at it? I´ve been to Tuscany this spring, and they indeed make great wines there - small wonder, with 2500 years of tradition and experience. Viewing the vineyards from the towers in San Gimingnano by day and drinking the wine by night is just great.
Stefan
I am afraid to say that the chillian, south africans, australians and germans are with the french on this one dude. And we english, who consume vast quantities of wine, also agree.What about Italian wine, while we are at it? I´ve been to Tuscany this spring, and they indeed make great wines there - small wonder, with 2500 years of tradition and experience. Viewing the vineyards from the towers in San Gimingnano by day and drinking the wine by night is just great.
Stefan
And many others..
It depends - The Hunter Valley is very warm so the sugar content can be higher than that of somewhere like The Barossa Valley which is more like Germany environment wise.
It smells sweet kind of a rosewater/Lychee smell but has a crisp dry taste.
It goes very well with Thai food.
Good. I need wine to go with Thai food.
Yep, every english zombie is a francophile. That is the true horror of undeath.Well, he is a zombie, maybe that changes things.I thought you were a Brit. Aren't you supposed to be making fun of the French?IT is just always nice when an opertunity to razz america comes up ;)
The horror, the horror!
Now that's more like it. We have a cumulative case that Mona's bottomless capitalistic greed it putting us all at risk! Abadar above, who will save us from impending disaster! Won't Mona be moved by our tears? Or will he lie on his heap of gold-plated pulp collectibles as he flies around the world in his private jet, scorning our pleas?