Hey did you here, now that the election is over, her husband came out and said that he has to dress her every morning or she tries to leave the house with pants as a shirt and goloshes instead of shoes.

Yeah, unsubstantiated rumors mean she must be a complete tool. You know she only runs an entire state with a decent approval rating and aparently good fiscal policy, what a moron.

To be fair, as pres man pointed out, it is a Piss-Ant state...

lastknightleft wrote:

Hey did you here, now that the election is over, her husband came out and said that he has to dress her every morning or she tries to leave the house with pants as a shirt and goloshes instead of shoes.

Yeah, unsubstantiated rumors mean she must be a complete tool. You know she only runs an entire state with a decent approval rating and aparently good fiscal policy, what a moron.

To be fair, as pres man pointed out, it is a Piss-Ant state...

Your right, I forgot how tiny it is, you can walk across it in a day.

psst...heathy's being sarcastic...

Sorry my sarcasm detector was misaligned and set for condescension.

Didn't you preface your first statement by calling her a dim bulb?

And in my second stament I called her a dull crayon. IMO she isn't very smart but that dosn't prevent her from running Alaska and doing a decent job at it..

I would like to porpose that intelligence is not a prerequisite for success in politics.

Agree? Disagree?

houstonderek wrote:

psst...heathy's being sarcastic...

Sorry my sarcasm detector was misaligned and set for condescension.

lastknightleft wrote:

Didn't you preface your first statement by calling her a dim bulb?

And in my second stament I called her a dull crayon. IMO she isn't very smart but that dosn't prevent her from running Alaska.

Well, she does have a college degree, which, according to some posters (ok, one poster) on this thread, qualifies her for being a genius, apparently.

Look, the woman isn't dumb, she may not be ready for Mensa, but she didn't get where she is by being dumb...

Sorry, dude; little carried away.
It's this dry delivery inherent to the internet that drowns out the one microscopic jump in my speech patterns that lets people who know me that my monotonally delivered line isn't serious.

I would like to porpose that intelligence is not a prerequisite for success in politics.

Agree? Disagree?

Agree.

Sorry, dude; little carried away.

It's this dry delivery inherent to the internet that drowns out the one microscopic jump in my speech patterns that lets people who know me that my monotonally delivered line isn't serious.

It's cool. I have also been bombarded all day with some of the most stupid responses to the election from both sides so my fuse is a bit short.

She accepted the invitation into public scrutiny when she said yes to McCain. So, whatever.

She's hot, too.

I agree.

Public scrutiny should be different from a lampoon disguised as literal truth. The National Enquirer can butt heads with ABC News now for the title "news you can trust."

Kruelaid wrote:

RE: the duel between Gail and Sam.

I'm really disappointed that this one hasn't taken off, I'm mean I'm not even half way through my case of beer...

I know! What's the world coming to if someone's masculinty, competence, and reputation can be challenged on the internet without repudiation?

Maybe this really is a new era of the politics of unity...

I know, I was hoping it would at least develop into as good a throwdown as Gal and I had a few months ago. Maybe if Prez and Gary egg it on a bit...

Sebastian wrote:

Kruelaid wrote:

RE: the duel between Gail and Sam.

I'm really disappointed that this one hasn't taken off, I'm mean I'm not even half way through my case of beer...

I know! What's the world coming to if someone's masculinty, competence, and reputation can be challenged on the internet without repudiation?

Maybe this really is a new era of the politics of unity...

I know, I was hoping it would at least develop into as good a throwdown as Gal and I had a few months ago. Maybe if Prez and Gary egg it on a bit...

Nah, I think I'm going to keep quiet and behave myself. Trust me, you have no idea how hard that is for me.

I've kept my highschool weight at age 31 by eating lots of veges, little red meat and exercising 3 times a week usually. My wife has been harassing me about my one vice which is potato chips.

Yah, but you're made of metal. It's hardly fair tin man.

David Fryer wrote:

Sebastian wrote:

Kruelaid wrote:

RE: the duel between Gail and Sam.

I'm really disappointed that this one hasn't taken off, I'm mean I'm not even half way through my case of beer...

I know! What's the world coming to if someone's masculinty, competence, and reputation can be challenged on the internet without repudiation?

Maybe this really is a new era of the politics of unity...

I know, I was hoping it would at least develop into as good a throwdown as Gal and I had a few months ago. Maybe if Prez and Gary egg it on a bit...

Nah, I think I'm going to keep quiet and behave myself.

We have to, like, reform the republican party, and get ready for the 2010 and 2012 elections.

Serious. No sarc.

[backtrack]

Has everyone heard the Quebecois DJs prank calling Sarah Palin? I must say, it's pretty funny. They mention the Hustler "Documentary" Nailin' Paylin as if it is an actual documentary and she buys it. No matter what your political affiliation is, that is FUNNY.

I'm sure this was brought up earlier in the board, but I'm too lazy to search back, and thought I would bring it up anyways. 'Cause I'm kind of an a$$.

Linky

[/backtrack]

Hey fish, do you know any stores around you that might have a copy of Beta? I dropped by Dragon's Keep, Game Den, and Games People Play down in Provo, but no luck. Any ideas?

Sebastian wrote:

Kruelaid wrote:

RE: the duel between Gail and Sam.

I'm really disappointed that this one hasn't taken off, I'm mean I'm not even half way through my case of beer...

I know! What's the world coming to if someone's masculinty, competence, and reputation can be challenged on the internet without repudiation?

Maybe this really is a new era of the politics of unity...

I know, I was hoping it would at least develop into as good a throwdown as Gal and I had a few months ago. Maybe if Prez and Gary egg it on a bit...

I'm still waiting for Sam to get back with some of his magic and cover up his little mistake about tractors....

thefishcometh wrote:

[backtrack]

Has everyone heard the Quebecois DJs prank calling Sarah Palin? I must say, it's pretty funny. They mention the Hustler "Documentary" Nailin' Paylin as if it is an actual documentary and she buys it. No matter what your political affiliation is, that is FUNNY.

I'm sure this was brought up earlier in the board, but I'm too lazy to search back, and thought I would bring it up anyways. 'Cause I'm kind of an a$$.

Linky

[/backtrack]

Hey fish, do you know any stores around you that might have a copy of Beta? I dropped by Dragon's Keep, Game Den, and Games People Play, but no luck. Any ideas?

David, there may be one at my local game store. they had one when i went in last week.

Edit: never mind, they sold it a couple hours ago...

Serious. No sarc.

You guys need to figure out a way to keep the neocons out.

Heathansson wrote:

Serious. No sarc.

You guys need to figure out a way to keep the neocons out.

and the Religious Right.

Kruelaid wrote:

Heathansson wrote:

Serious. No sarc.

You guys need to figure out a way to keep the neocons out.

and the Religious Right.

Keeping the morons out might help, too, but then that's probably too much to ask.

thefishcometh wrote:

[backtrack]

Has everyone heard the Quebecois DJs prank calling Sarah Palin? I must say, it's pretty funny. They mention the Hustler "Documentary" Nailin' Paylin as if it is an actual documentary and she buys it. No matter what your political affiliation is, that is FUNNY.

I'm sure this was brought up earlier in the board, but I'm too lazy to search back, and thought I would bring it up anyways. 'Cause I'm kind of an a$$.

Linky

[/backtrack]

Hey fish, do you know any stores around you that might have a copy of Beta? I dropped by Dragon's Keep, Game Den, and Games People Play down in Provo, but no luck. Any ideas?

Hm. You may want to try Hastur Hobbies. I haven't been in a while, but they usually have TONS of third party stuff. That might be a good place to look. They're in Midvale, at 6831 S State. If you need me to go check, I probably could try sometime in the next week.

David Fryer wrote:

thefishcometh wrote:

[backtrack]

Has everyone heard the Quebecois DJs prank calling Sarah Palin? I must say, it's pretty funny. They mention the Hustler "Documentary" Nailin' Paylin as if it is an actual documentary and she buys it. No matter what your political affiliation is, that is FUNNY.

I'm sure this was brought up earlier in the board, but I'm too lazy to search back, and thought I would bring it up anyways. 'Cause I'm kind of an a$$.

Linky

[/backtrack]

Hey fish, do you know any stores around you that might have a copy of Beta? I dropped by Dragon's Keep, Game Den, and Games People Play, but no luck. Any ideas?

David, there may be one at my local game store. they had one when i went in last week.

Edit: never mind, they sold it a couple hours ago...

Thanks but even if it hadn't sold out I don't think my wife would have let me drive to Texas just for a copy of Beta. However, I'm up in fish's area for a conferance anyway so I have a little leeway to run around up here.

David Fryer wrote:

thefishcometh wrote:

[backtrack]

Has everyone heard the Quebecois DJs prank calling Sarah Palin? I must say, it's pretty funny. They mention the Hustler "Documentary" Nailin' Paylin as if it is an actual documentary and she buys it. No matter what your political affiliation is, that is FUNNY.

I'm sure this was brought up earlier in the board, but I'm too lazy to search back, and thought I would bring it up anyways. 'Cause I'm kind of an a$$.

Linky

[/backtrack]

Hey fish, do you know any stores around you that might have a copy of Beta? I dropped by Dragon's Keep, Game Den, and Games People Play down in Provo, but no luck. Any ideas?

Hm. You may want to try Hastur Hobbies. I haven't been in a while, but they usually have TONS of third party stuff. That might be a good place to look. They're in Midvale, at 6831 S State. If you need me to go check, I probably could try sometime in the next week.

I'll check it out. I've seen it a few times driving between Hogle Zoo and the Mayan. Lousy food, but I enjoy the cliff diving shows. There is one more place on State Street in Orem that I'm going to check out as well.

Heathansson wrote:

Serious. No sarc.

You guys need to figure out a way to keep the neocons out.

Define neocon.

The problem with racism is the insistence of the media and a lot of people to assume racism means only "whites hating an ethnic group". When we as a society decide hate is a two way street, and not just the "white man's burden", maybe we can have a real dialogue. Until then, making one group feel guilty (even people in that group who aren't racist) and giving everyone else a pass is just going to stagnate the issue further.

I agree with you. I think a lot of anti-racists shoot themselves in the foot in the following ways:

(1) Being anti-racist instead of anti-racism. Attacking people for beliefs that are deeply ingrained, supported by many popular discourses, and largely unconscious does nobody any good. Attack the misguided beliefs, not the misguided believers.

(2) Playing word games instead of focussing on solving problems. I could find on my bookshelves a dozen definitions of racism from published academic works that have been carefully crafted to exclude your experience by marking it as 'not-racism' because it happened to someone 'with privilege'. Those definitions are bull and do nobody any favours.

(3) Putting politics ahead of compassion. When we talk about things such as racism and violence, discounting the stories of those who have been injured or marginalized because they are white is just heartless.

(4) Basing anti-racist politics in racialized terms. Listening to one person because they are 'black' and discounting others' views because they 'aren't-black' is a problem. Anti-racists should be challenging the idea of race -- the silly little notion that the world is divided into biologically distinct races and that this biology determines intelligence, behaviour, and moral worth. That only applies in D&D and the good races are in the PHB. The bad ones are in the Monster Manual.

Kruelaid wrote:

Heathansson wrote:

Serious. No sarc.

You guys need to figure out a way to keep the neocons out.

Define neocon.

My definition of neocon is a politician with an idealistic view of foreign policy, conservative social policy, and liberal fiscal policy. That's just me, though.

And happy to be of help, I know what you mean about the Mayan... My friend and I went there after filming some big car show for his school's television station. The food was kind of not good (you can get much better mexican at the taco stands outside Sears for like $1), but the diving certainly is entertaining.

I guess you could look here: Neoconservatism.

But what I really mean by neocons is "the yahoos who just ran the American economy into the ground and any of their ilk."

And I use "yahoo" in the Swiftian sense.

RE: the duel between Gail and Sam.

I'm really disappointed that this one hasn't taken off, I'm mean I'm not even half way through my case of beer...

Can I have a beer?

You never offer me beer anymore.

I always have to ask.

*goes to sit in the moldy armchair and sulks*

But kicking someone when they are down is Chicago politics. That's the type of politics we need now.

That's hardly fair. It's not Obama's people that are kicking her, it's McCain's people that said she didn't know Africa was a continent and stole tens of thousands of dollars of clothes.

Kruelaid wrote:

RE: the duel between Gail and Sam.

I'm really disappointed that this one hasn't taken off, I'm mean I'm not even half way through my case of beer...

Can I have a beer?

You never offer me beer anymore.

I always have to ask.

*goes to sit in the moldy armchair and sulks*

*Quietly offers Tarren Dei a root beer*

Sorry, it's the best I can do legally at the moment. Give me three years. Or let me move out to Germany.

Ubermench wrote:

houstonderek wrote:

psst...heathy's being sarcastic...

Sorry my sarcasm detector was misaligned and set for condescension.

lastknightleft wrote:

Didn't you preface your first statement by calling her a dim bulb?

And in my second stament I called her a dull crayon. IMO she isn't very smart but that dosn't prevent her from running Alaska.

Well, she does have a college degree, which, according to some posters (ok, one poster) on this thread, qualifies her for being a genius, apparently.

Look, the woman isn't dumb, she may not be ready for Mensa, but she didn't get where she is by being dumb...

I don't think she's dumb. I think she's quite good at what she does. She seems to have a high degree of interpersonal intelligence.

Actually, scratch that, just skim the archives.

I consider myself no less bright than the rest of you but a good hatchet job on my old posts would make me look like Sarah Palin.

I consider myself no less bright than the rest of you but a good hatchet job on my old posts would make me look like Sarah Palin.

You sir, are overly generous.

(2) Playing word games instead of focussing on solving problems. I could find on my bookshelves a dozen definitions of racism from published academic works that have been carefully crafted to exclude your experience by marking it as 'not-racism' because it happened to someone 'with privilege'. Those definitions are bull and do nobody any favours.

I agree with you completely, but this part resonates strongly with me. I didn't feel terribly "priveledged" while being passed around from family member to family member, waiting for my mom to get her act together enough to have me back.

Tarren Dei wrote:

I consider myself no less bright than the rest of you but a good hatchet job on my old posts would make me look like Sarah Palin.

You sir, are overly generous.

By saying she has interpersonal intelligence. Don't tell me you don't get all squirmy when she flirts with the camera. ;-)

Kruelaid wrote:

RE: the duel between Gail and Sam.

I'm really disappointed that this one hasn't taken off, I'm mean I'm not even half way through my case of beer...

Can I have a beer?

You never offer me beer anymore.

I always have to ask.

*goes to sit in the moldy armchair and sulks*

Sorry, but no beer unless you contribute by burying a barb of some type in your post. No freeriding on our efforts to get this thing going again.

Garydee wrote:

David Fryer wrote:

Sebastian wrote:

Kruelaid wrote:

RE: the duel between Gail and Sam.

I'm really disappointed that this one hasn't taken off, I'm mean I'm not even half way through my case of beer...

I know! What's the world coming to if someone's masculinty, competence, and reputation can be challenged on the internet without repudiation?

Maybe this really is a new era of the politics of unity...

I know, I was hoping it would at least develop into as good a throwdown as Gal and I had a few months ago. Maybe if Prez and Gary egg it on a bit...

Nah, I think I'm going to keep quiet and behave myself.

We have to, like, reform the republican party, and get ready for the 2010 and 2012 elections.

One thing the Republicans are going to have to do is go back to their traditional Reagan roots and become the small government/fiscal responsible party again. Let's face it. McCain's not conservative. We need more young, vibrant guys like Bobby Jindal to come on to the national scene. When people start to think that if McCain gets elected that he might not live through the term, he's probably too old.

I guess you could look here: Neoconservatism.

But what I really mean by neocons is "the yahoos who just ran the American economy into the ground and any of their ilk."

And I use "yahoo" in the Swiftian sense.

Interesting reading. According to what I read, I trend towards Paleoconservatism with nationalist and populaist tendencies.

Tarren Dei wrote:

(2) Playing word games instead of focussing on solving problems. I could find on my bookshelves a dozen definitions of racism from published academic works that have been carefully crafted to exclude your experience by marking it as 'not-racism' because it happened to someone 'with privilege'. Those definitions are bull and do nobody any favours.

I agree with you completely, but this part resonates strongly with me. I didn't feel terribly "priveledged" while being passed around from family member to family member, waiting for my mom to get her act together enough to have me back.

Yeah, that's why I put it in quotes. Anti-racists sometimes make the mistake of thinking that 'white privilege' applies to all 'white' people all of the time when, in fact, it is relative. I didn't feel terribly privileged when people spit on my sister and called me N~ lover. (Yes, it was the 70s and yes people actually said that). Much worse things happened to, but I won't depress you with them.

Of course, 25 years later young ('white') liberals give me crap about the kind of critique of anti-racism that I just posted above and tell me I'm speaking from my 'white privilege' and don't understand the 'black experience'. Idiots.

Tarren Dei wrote:

Kruelaid wrote:

RE: the duel between Gail and Sam.

I'm really disappointed that this one hasn't taken off, I'm mean I'm not even half way through my case of beer...

Can I have a beer?

You never offer me beer anymore.

I always have to ask.

*goes to sit in the moldy armchair and sulks*

Sorry, but no beer unless you contribute by burying a barb of some type in your post. No freeriding on our efforts to get this thing going again.

** spoiler omitted **

Here, have a wine cooler. That's the best I can do for calling an unpopular group a bad name. Come back when you can say that the ACLU is destroying America with a straight face and righteous indignation.

Tarren Dei wrote:

** spoiler omitted **

Here, have a wine cooler. That's the best I can do for calling an unpopular group a bad name. Come back when you can say that the ACLU is destroying America with a straight face and righteous indignation.

Sebastians a cheapskate.

How's that?

EDIT: Oh, wait. That's more of ..."calling an unpopular poster a bad name".

EDIT: Oh, wait. That's more of ..."calling an unpopular poster a bad name".

Dammit, I wanted to post that!

Sebastian wrote:

Tarren Dei wrote:

** spoiler omitted **

Here, have a wine cooler. That's the best I can do for calling an unpopular group a bad name. Come back when you can say that the ACLU is destroying America with a straight face and righteous indignation.

Sebastians a cheapskate.

How's that?

EDIT: Oh, wait. That's more of ..."calling an unpopular poster a bad name".

What?!?!? I'm beloved. Aren't I!?!?!? Aren't I?!?!?!

Good enough. Have a beer.

I have decided that I will support Obama until he does something that does not line up with my values. He won fair and square and I don't want to spend the next four years being the bitter person that my boss ended up being after Bush won. She spent monthes talking about "your president" and being bitter over the whole thing. Doesn't sound like fun to me.

Tarren Dei wrote:

Sebastian wrote:

Tarren Dei wrote:

** spoiler omitted **

Here, have a wine cooler. That's the best I can do for calling an unpopular group a bad name. Come back when you can say that the ACLU is destroying America with a straight face and righteous indignation.

Sebastians a cheapskate.

How's that?

EDIT: Oh, wait. That's more of ..."calling an unpopular poster a bad name".

What?!?!? I'm beloved. Aren't I!?!?!? Aren't I?!?!?!

Good enough. Have a beer.

** spoiler omitted **

Don't hold your breath ;D

Dam right if the Reps. can go back to the pre-Reagan Republican frugality I would be more likely to vote for them.

What?!?!? I'm beloved. Aren't I!?!?!? Aren't I?!?!?!

Only because you are the guy we all love to hate.

I have decided that I will support Obama until he does something that does not line up with my values. He won fair and square and I don't want to spend the next four years being the bitter person that my boss ended up being after Bush won. She spent monthes talking about "your president" and being bitter over the whole thing. Doesn't sound like fun to me.

I'll drink to that. Not legally, mind you, but with affirmation. And maybe some peanuts.

Garydee wrote:

One thing the Republicans are going to have to do is go back to their traditional Reagan roots and become the small government/fiscal responsible party again. Let's face it. McCain's not conservative.

Actually, according to what Kruelaid posted, McCain seems a textbook neocon. We need more Paleocons rather than more militant big spenders.

Exactly. The problem is that the neocons have taken control of the Republican party and we've got to get it back from them. It's up to young paleocons like us to do it.

Of course, 25 years later young ('white') liberals give me crap about the kind of critique of anti-racism that I just posted above and tell me I'm speaking from my 'white privilege' and don't understand the 'black experience'. Idiots.

No joke. Most "white liberal" types I know wouldn't go to some of the neighborhoods i've lived in on a dare. I wonder how they feel like they can tell me I don't ubderstand the "black experience" (whatever that's supposed to mean, coming from them) when they won't even go to the hood.

Funny thing about the hood, though. They know their own, doesn't matter what color your skin is. It's kinda like the reason Toni Morrison called Clinton the "first black president" (before she recanted it when Obama was running). He shared an experience a lot of poor people share, single mother upbringing, not much to no money, etc.

Two experiences i've had (both in the south, interestingly enough) illustrate this:

Once, here in Houston, I was hanging out with a friend of mine on Spice Lane (one of Houston's "hoods", and where I lived when I first moved here), enjoying some greenery with a bunch of guys, when one of the dudes started pontificating on how "it's ok for black folk and white folk to mix during the day, but at night (it was night) white folk should stay in their neighborhoods and we should stay in ours." I kinda looked around, noticed I was the only white guy there, and said, "hmmmm". Without even turning around he said "Nah, you're different, white boy, you're one of us..."

The second was when I was in New Orleans for Mardi Gras in '98. I had run out of greenery, and went to this chicken shack I knew looking for some. I asked a dude what was up, he said, "yeah, come with me". Then he stopped, kinda looked at the ceiling and said "Man, you need to go back to the Quarter and look for something, we're jacking white boys right now." Let me off the hook. People know their own...