"Oh she's so cute!" Karrin cries, "would you like a saucer of milk?" she asks the cat, "would you? Oh yes you would!"

'Mwahaha.. like shooting fish in a barrel.. Oooh! Fish' She thinks with a happy little expression.

Just had a few things explained to me about monsters as PCs. Apparently, the 2hd plus 1LA make lizardfolk a level 3 character before taking on any classes. So, If we go by those rules, Ffethpaar would be an unclassed character until reaching the next level.

Do we have a ruling on this? if that is so, I will drop the cleric levels and play him as an unclassed character to start with. If you lose the 1LA I will make him a level 1 cleric.

Well by raw thats right however,the way I see it is your just 2HD so allowing a class level on top of that shouldnt be an issue for balance really.Now I think he still would be +1LA but some times the rules are wonky[ok alot of times with LA] and you just need to make a call.I would allow level 1 cleric you would still be 3HD ...

just throwing in my 2 cents

Skills look a little different in Pathfinder, you don't get skill points, but you do get to choose skills to have training in. Jump and balance are subsumed (always wanted to use that word!) by the acrobatic skill. Does the fact that I have a racial bonus mean that I can claim it as an extra trained skill? Meaning I would have +8 acrobatics and +8 Swim? (BTW, do half points round up or down? if down then +7 for both of the above)... Or do racial skill count the same as class skills giving the full trained bonus (i.e. +10 for each of the above).

To summarise, given the racial +4 bonus for Swim and Acrobatics, do I end up with:

+5 (just dex and racial)
+8 (or 7) (dex plus racial plus trained non-class)
+10 (dex plus racial plus full trained)

I'm guessing max HP for Ffethpaar still would only apply to the first d8 (seems a bit strong otherwise).

It's sooo tempting to go with no weapons just natural claws and teeth.

so as for skill you get
5+int mod then 2+int mod from cleric .
also by chart you are 3rd level
you got your first feat with race it was counted in your 2nd you will get at cleric one. also you get one skill at 2nd lizardman hd to.

hope this helped

Update: I just read the tiefling thread I started and I am leaning towards these changes:

1) abolishing the +1 LA
2) Dropping the Outsider status (unless parent was a full-fledged fiend ... I don't see why if Great-granpappy was from the Abyss why you should be banished there!)
3) Switching stat penalty from CHA to WIS (that seems to make sense to me)

What do you all think? And what about changes to Thrugnipp's Lizzy's LA?

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Hey all,
Sorry I didn't get back on last night, wife claimed executive privelege on me. I am leaning towards keeping the +1 LA for Tieflings, but I am going to check the thread I started to see if any of of mechanicphiles came up with a decent solution. I will be posting kind of sporadically this upcoming week. I am on vacation (YAY) but as a homeowner, I have a lot of chores that need doing (8 yards of mulch to spread, joy) I am pretty confident that there will be spare time to post, but my times will be a bit off.
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While I am lenient and a flexible DM, I do reserve the right to outlaw anything I...

started to take it but I wanted to have you look it over looked a little much for me at that price range I mean its the same cost as a wand of CLW.

I dont mind helping out man not at all . my first pbp but happy to help it run smoothly any way I can.

let me see if I can help here.
by the pathfinder rules so far you get 5 skills+INT mod from being a 2HD lizard man
your lizasrdman class skills are swim and acrobatics..so you'll have 3+ cross skills
you do get a +4 to thous 2 skills +ability mods
*cross skills round down .
*not sure if racial skills are train I would say no but you do gain a mod for them +4 s nothing shabby.

on HD looks like were rolling but you'll have 3d6[2 from lizard man 1 from cleric]

so as for skill you get
5+int mod then 2+int mod from cleric .
also by chart you are 3rd level
you got your first feat with race it was counted in your 2nd you will get at cleric one. also you get one skill at 2nd lizardman hd to.

hope this helped

And 2 feats in total.

I think I get it.

Thanks.

So Lizzy is:
2 levels of monster
1 level of cleric

from monster levels:
2xd8 hitdie, +5 nat armor, claw(1d4+st)/claw(1d4+st)/bite(1d4,-2 to hit)
Lvl 1 feat: multiattack
2+int skill choices (but only 2 class skills- each at +4 racial)
+1 skill choice (second monster level)
Hold Breath (special quality)
+3 reflex, +1 BAB, Simple weapons and Shields

From cleric level:
cleric hit die
+2 Fort and Will
Lvl 3 feat (whatever)
Cleric abilities and class skills
Armor(light,medium,and heavy)
no additional skill choices

Now, that's some MEAT. I like it. -niel

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The way I finally ended up looking at this was that the +4 translated to being trained in the class skill in Pathfinder to I end up with 3 (trained) + 2 (lizard levels) + skill mod for Acrobatic and Swim. Does this make sense?

3 + 3(character level) + 1 (dex12 mod) + 4 (racial) = 11.

Sounds a lot.. But he won't kick it in the teeth.

However he WILL kick anyone who calls him Lizzie to his face... :)

Well Thrugnipp they are not trained but are+4 skills so they are 1d20+mod+4 not trained .

From the d20 srd
Lizardfolk As Characters
Lizardfolk As Characters

Lizardfolk characters possess the following racial traits.

* +2 Strength, +2 Constitution, -2 Intelligence.
* Medium size.
* A lizardfolk’s base land speed is 30 feet.
* Racial Hit Dice: A lizardfolk begins with two levels of humanoid, which provide 2d8 Hit Dice, a base attack bonus of +1, and base saving throw bonuses of Fort +0, Ref +3, and Will +0.
* Racial Skills: A lizardfolk’s humanoid levels give it skill points equal to 5 × (2 + Int modifier, minimum 1). Its class skills are Balance, Jump, and Swim. Lizardfolk have a +4 racial bonus on Balance, Jump, and Swim checks.
* Racial Feats: A lizardfolk’s humanoid levels give it one feat.
* Weapon and Armor Proficiency: A lizardfolk is automatically proficient with simple weapons and shields.
* +5 natural armor bonus.
* Natural Weapons: 2 claws (1d4) and bite (1d4).
* Special Qualities (see above): Hold breath.
* Automatic Languages: Common, Draconic. Bonus Languages: Aquan, Goblin, Gnoll, Orc.
* Favored Class: Druid.
* Level adjustment +1.

I looked at it wronge b4 neil is correct on skills you get 2+int for lizard man just got up man sorry about that
however swim and acro are the only ones on your list so just take em if you do that would be 3+3+mod+4
i would say you can swap out your fest myself
and then you get 2 skills from cleric.

so 2skills from lizzy +2 skills cleric+1 skill from 2nd level

thats 5 skills for you.

sorry for the confuzion I cause man

True, they are not trained, but I can choose those as two of my 5 trained skills, can I not?

Thrugnipp wrote:

The way I finally ended up looking at this was that the +4 translated to being trained in the class skill in Pathfinder to I end up with 3 (trained) + 2 (lizard levels) + skill mod for Acrobatic and Swim. Does this make sense?

Last time for burbling. Reading things again I see that Skill checks are 1d20 + character level + 3 + ability modifier + racial modifier. So, if Ffethpaar actually takes Acrobatics (or swim) as one of his trained skills he would get a bonus of

3 + 3(character level) + 1 (dex12 mod) + 4 (racial) = 11.

Sounds a lot.. But he won't kick it in the teeth.

However he WILL kick anyone who calls him Lizzie to his face... :)

what a bout mr.scaly face

True, they are not trained, but I can choose those as two of my 5 trained skills, can I not?

here is my hp
18HP

The small boost from d4 to d6 is nice

"Finally I have arrived!. I am Ffethpaar. I come in peace - see I have no weapons or armour! I do not want to fight, but I am not helpless - so be careful not to anger me."

"And NOBODY calls me Lizzie!"

"Anybody know where I can get any fish around here? I'm starving!"

Thrugnipp you get 4 skills man
2 from lizard man
1 from 2nd level
2 from cleric

"Pull you a bench up they have passable fish here . Not as good as the bloody ax's in Gloium,but not bad."

looks like zigel and Ffethpaar get along fine you took water and I took alot of ice magic lol

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I need to do some shopping. Is it possible to buy a wand of Magic Stone around here? Or is that too expensive?

Hi all:

Just dropping in quickly before spending some quality time with the wife. Liking all the characters so far. Seeker, you have done a wonderful job with the number crunching, thanks for stepping up and pitching in. So far everything you've said has made sense. The belt BTW is fine. Healing magic is a neccesity if we want game flow. The price looks right (under 900). I am busy lining up some adventuring options for you all. Hopefully we can bang out the info on our characters and get rolling within the week.

OK Then I will optimistically make Ffethpaar a level 1 cleric.

Hehe, I was actually referring to Kayos' Tibbit, it says in the flavor text that Tibbits sometimes adopt people and their 'owners' are none the wiser. With Karrin's fine observational skills (read 8 WIS) I'm sure the tibbit would be able to keep the wool over Karrin's eyes for some time.

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Hi all:

Just dropping in quickly before spending some quality time with the wife. Liking all the characters so far. Seeker, you have done a wonderful job with the number crunching, thanks for stepping up and pitching in. So far everything you've said has made sense. The belt BTW is fine. Healing magic is a neccesity if we want game flow. The price looks right (under 900). I am busy lining up some adventuring options for you all. Hopefully we can bang out the info on our characters and get rolling within the week.

Early parts of Greep are up. I still need languages and spells and class abilities. Greep is happier now that I've been accepted in the Silver Rose.

greep looks good neil love the robbit thing .

Finished Eir, just putting her onto the computer, rolling hits, and stuff like that. She is an Ysgardian worshiper of Loki with Luck and Charm domains. I gave her a fencing saber from Arms and Armor 3.5 as a proficiency from her god. Why? Because it's cool. Is that ok?

Saber, fencing (light weapon)
cost: 20 (masterwork cold iron 340) gp
damage: 1d6
crit: 18-20/x2
weight: 3 lb.
type: piercing

Nice mixed bunch were getting here.

One sexy saber wielding cleric of Loki, skill monkey, harlot, and consummate negotiator ready for action.

Just tweaking her equipment, so to speak.

Morning all (and afternoon to those in the Middle Kingdom),

Good to see everyone's build progressing so well. Kruelaid, the saber is fine. Why? Because it is cool. I have been looking over everyone's character, and I do see one omission, which I should have discussed before: The Knowledge(Sigil) skill. A lot of you have Knowlege(planes) as a skill, or Knowlege(local). This is fine, and it will help in knowledge situations, but I will be ruling that such a general knowledge class makes the DC higher for finding out good 'darks' on Sigil. If anyone wants to take Knowledge(Sigil) as a skill, I think it would be in your party's best benefit in the long run. Sigil's three (rule of three) main resources are: Travel, Trade and Information. Information flows through this city, and anyone 'in the know' is poised to benefit.

Hey, Patrick, you got a nice spread here. I hope you don't mind if I hang around?

Patrick , I dropped perception[only had a +4 any how] and added Knowledge(Sigil) to my skills.hope that's ok they should help the group out.Its easier for the wizard to gain knowledge skills then most classes so it should help everyone out.[guys with perception just dont let me get stabbed lol.

Not at all Radavel. Actually I'd appreciate any tips you have, since you are one of the PbP experts. I am winging this, since it is my first PbP DMing, first Dming a 3.5 AND 1st Pathfinder playing OR DMing!

geez when I type it like that, I get a little scared ... :O

If anyone wants to take Knowledge(Sigil) as a skill, I think it would be in your party's best benefit in the long run. Sigil's three (rule of three) main resources are: Travel, Trade and Information.

I have Knowledge Sigil, now.

Seeker: Excellent choice! I do think your party will benefit in the long run from your choice. A lot of the theme of this game is going to be finding information, and getting in scrapes (think Spencer for Hire with fiends and exotic locales). In Sigil talking, finding out info and just plain bluffing will be almost as important as combat skills.

LOL, Eir as well. Looks like she is shaping up to be the 'face' of this operation.

Yes, she was built to be the face last time around, too.

I have a really cool book, Arms and Armor 3.5 from Bastion Press, where I got the saber stats. It's got a really good variety of armors and I'd really like to take one of them.

I'm going to run a few by you, some of the other players may like to look at them, too.

Not at all Radavel. Actually I'd appreciate any tips you have, since you are one of the PbP experts. I am winging this, since it is my first PbP DMing, first Dming a 3.5 AND 1st Pathfinder playing OR DMing!

geez when I type it like that, I get a little scared ... :O

Yes, she was built to be the face last time around, too.

I have a really cool book, Arms and Armor 3.5 from Bastion Press, where I got the saber stats. It's got a really good variety of armors and I'd really like to take one of them.

I'm going to run a few by you, some of the other players may like to look at them, too.

I'd be happy to help, anyway I can. :D

Plated leather (LIGHT ARMOR)
COST: 200 gp
AC: +4
MAX DEX: +5
PENALTY: -1
ASF: 15%
MOVE PENALTY: 30/30, 20/20
WEIGHT: 25 lb.

Plated Leather: This thick leather armor is rein-
forced with metal plates. The plates cover only large
areas of the body, leaving the joints covered only by
leather. Plated leather has enough metal components
to be vulnerable to the rust monster’s rust ability and
similar attacks. Characters not proficient in plated
leather find the plates awkward and confining.

(more to come: giving toddler a bath)

that armor looks nice.does it take its on feat the wording suggests it might.

I don't see any real problems with that armor Kruelaid, looks pretty straightforward to my (admittedly) untrained eyes. Anyone have a beef speak up or forever hold yer post!

that armor looks nice.does it take its on feat the wording suggests it might.

I don't see any real problems with that armor Kruelaid, looks pretty straightforward to my (admittedly) untrained eyes. Anyone have a beef speak up or forever hold yer post!

ah toddler bathing what a fun sport that is.

post all ya want we'll save em for later

Spiderweave, silver (LIGHT ARMOR)
COST: 1,500 gp
AC: +4
MAX DEX: +4
PENALTY: -2
ASF: 25%
MOVE PENALTY: 30/30, 20/20
WEIGHT: 15 lb.

Silver Spiderweave: Despite its appearance, spiderweave is a very light and effective armor style created by elven artisans. Intricate patterns of silver and leather are joined in a spider web pattern. The combination of metal and leather makes this style of spiderweave
unsuitable for magic-using adventurers.

more to come...

It's good AC with limited penalties. The masterwork version makes it awesome for rogues. But I've got some really fancy 1,500 gp armor coming up for you guys to cast your eyes over, too.

patrick you have made me dig all my planescape stuff out to bush up.

900 limit - NP.

I'll post some unusual medium and heavy armor for the other players a little later.

Don't hesitate to ban anything... But the reason I bring it out is because we are in the sort of place where unusual things of great excellence are available.