It does have separate stats for all the daemons however you may not use the two codex's together except In apocalypse games.

As far as I know, the stats in the chaos daemons book can't be used with the chaos space marines army - they get a generic statline for summoned daemons, and that's it. That's one of the things that put me off doing a 40k chaos army. I may be wrong though - I'm not an expert on the 40k rules unfortunately. :(

What warhammer armies does everyone out there play? I especially invite any of the Paizo staff to share. I play, for 40K: Inquisition (Daemonhunters with Witch Hunter allies) and 13th Company Space Wolves. For Fantasy I play Tomb Kings.

How about you?

Mordheim Warbands:
Beast of Chaos

40K:
Orks {Snakebites} (1,500 pts. and Growing)
Orks {Cultz of Speed} (2,000 pts.)
Space Marines {Custom Chapter} (2,500 pts. and Growing)
Tyrannids {Hive Fleet Kraken} (2,000 pts.)

Jason Beardsley wrote:

What warhammer armies does everyone out there play? I especially invite any of the Paizo staff to share. I play, for 40K: Inquisition (Daemonhunters with Witch Hunter allies) and 13th Company Space Wolves. For Fantasy I play Tomb Kings.

How about you?

Fantasy:
Beasts of Chaos (2,500 pts.)
Orcs (2,500 pts.)
Empire {Ostland with Kislev Allies} (3,000 pts.)
Lizard Men (2,000 pts.)
Vampire Pirates of the Zombie Coast (2,000 pts.)

Mordheim Warbands:
Beast of Chaos

40K:
Orks {Snakebites} (1,500 pts. and Growing)
Orks {Cultz of Speed} (2,000 pts.)
Space Marines {Custom Chapter} (2,500 pts. and Growing)
Tyrannids {Hive Fleet Kraken} (2,000 pts.)

Kevin Mack wrote:

Balfic-graa wrote:

5th ed is considerably different from 4th ed. Tanks are generally more survivable. Horde, and hth armies can cross the battlefield alot quicker. Troop choices are more important than ever in holding objectives. The game is more dynamic.

As far as the new Chaos Codex. I hate it. Generally the list is winable. But fluffwise its not chaos.

Yep what killed Chaos for me so I went Dark ELdar instead.

Dark Eldar should have a new codex in 2010. Jes Goodwin and Phil Kelly have been working on them.

Well, I gave in and bought a tyranid battleforce. Lots and lots of lovely sprues! :D Just need to figure out what weapons and biomorphs to give them before I start assembling.

Anyone got any advice for building/playing with a melee-heavy tyranid army?

Well, I gave in and bought a tyranid battleforce. Lots and lots of lovely sprues! :D Just need to figure out what weapons and biomorphs to give them before I start assembling.

Anyone got any advice for building/playing with a melee-heavy tyranid army?

I'm looking at either Tyranids, Eldar, or Imperial Guard for a second army to force my brothers to play against me. :)

Well, I gave in and bought a tyranid battleforce. Lots and lots of lovely sprues! :D Just need to figure out what weapons and biomorphs to give them before I start assembling.

Anyone got any advice for building/playing with a melee-heavy tyranid army?

Mishi wrote:

I'm looking at either Tyranids, Eldar, or Imperial Guard for a second army to force my brothers to play against me. :)

I would reccommend either the Eldar, or the IG army. Eldar was already released for 5th ed, and IG will be out at the beginning of may. If you love tanks, IG are getting several new units, and Leman Russ variants. The Manticore, return or the Griffon, Deathstrike, Devil Dog just to name a few. They are also getting a flyer; The Vakyrie.

Mishi wrote:

Well, I gave in and bought a tyranid battleforce. Lots and lots of lovely sprues! :D Just need to figure out what weapons and biomorphs to give them before I start assembling.

Anyone got any advice for building/playing with a melee-heavy tyranid army?

Can't tell you what biomorphs to pick. Never played a Nids army. Playing against them I can tell you hormagaunts are a solid buy. Regular gaunts are a waste except as a unit screen.

I'm struggling to decide what to do with my carnifex and my (new present! :D) hive tyrant. I may try to magnetise the 'fex as per this guide if I'm feeling brave once I reach him in the modelling queue. It's a rather cool idea. :D

I'm struggling to decide what to do with my carnifex and my (new present! :D) hive tyrant. I may try to magnetise the 'fex as per this guide if I'm feeling brave once I reach him in the modelling queue. It's a rather cool idea. :D

That link is made of epic and win. I love Nids simply for the variety, but that same variety makes deciding on a bioform arduous. Now I can do as I please!

Seriously, thanks for a great link that has renewed my interest in a hobby that provides a lot of entertainment for me!

Wow! Excellent link!

No problem. Somebody over on RPGnet linked it to me. I thought it was a really cool idea :D

No problem. Somebody over on RPGnet linked it to me. I thought it was a really cool idea :D

I was curious how many people here play Apocalypse. And which of the big toys you have:ie Super Heavies, Titans, Flyers, Gargantuan Creatures.

As for myself; I have 1 Warhound(Armorcast), 1 Baneblade, and Zarakynel.

I was curious how many people here play Apocalypse. And which of the big toys you have:ie Super Heavies, Titans, Flyers, Gargantuan Creatures.

As for myself; I have 1 Warhound(Armorcast), 1 Baneblade, and Zarakynel.

Though Eldar look cool too... they may appear in addition to a smaller IG force or instead of one. :D

Apocalypse games are alot of fun, and are a very different feel from a standard game. As long as the sides are balanced. One side with a titan or super heavy against one without anything to compare makes for a poor game.

The Tyranids do have some of the coolest looking models for Apocalyse. I know a plastic Trygon should be out sometime soon.

Do you know of any apocolypse models for the tau?

Do you know of any apocolypse models for the tau?

They also have couple other models to expand your regular army as well. The deadliest of which are the Remora Drone Fighters. I have gone against them a few times and they are always a pain in my side.

Did Forge World ever release any alternate rules for the gigantic Blood Thirster that they put out? Or are you supposed to just consider it a normal Blood Thirster (that can be shot at from anywhere on the battle field :-))

Did Forge World ever release any alternate rules for the gigantic Blood Thirster that they put out? Or are you supposed to just consider it a normal Blood Thirster (that can be shot at from anywhere on the battle field :-))

Jam412 wrote:

Did Forge World ever release any alternate rules for the gigantic Blood Thirster that they put out? Or are you supposed to just consider it a normal Blood Thirster (that can be shot at from anywhere on the battle field :-))

Yeah his name is An'ggrath The Unbound, he is 888 points, and he is a butcher.

Wow, that's awesome! I bought him when he came out but never did anything with him because i figured there were no official stats. Do you know where I can find them? Also, I have to say that you've been on the ball with people's various questions, this thread probably would have died off without you. Thanks!

David Wickham wrote:

Do you know of any apocolypse models for the tau?

Yeah you have quite a bit. They are all flyers though. The Manta being the biggest. Its also the most expensive model Forge World/GW has. You also have the Barracuda, and a couple of different versions of the Tiger Shark. I forget which White Dwarf its in, but they released rules for a Tau Defense Node. Its basically a larger sized Rail Cannon with an engery field. If I can find which issue the data fax was in, I will post it.

They also have couple other models to expand your regular army as well. The deadliest of which are the Remora Drone Fighters. I have gone against them a few times and they are always a pain in my side.

Unless...Anyone know where I can get Forge World stuff at a discount?

Or atleast the books?

The Tau Area Denial Node is in WD 335. There is no model for it, so you can build your own. Using the Railgun parts from the Hammerhead model, and some creative use of modeling supplies.

Attention: Eldar Swooping Hawks look cool. That is all.

Attention: Eldar Swooping Hawks look cool. That is all.

** spoiler omitted **

David Wickham wrote:

Attention: Eldar Swooping Hawks look cool. That is all.

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They were the first 5th Ed Codex released.

I thought only the Space Marines and next month's Imperial Guard were 5th.

Now to spend some money. :D

Balfic-graa wrote:

David Wickham wrote:

Attention: Eldar Swooping Hawks look cool. That is all.

** spoiler omitted **

They were the first 5th Ed Codex released.

The eldar codex is 5th edition?

I thought only the Space Marines and next month's Imperial Guard were 5th.

Now to spend some money. :D

I tried to play Fantasy for a while, even going as far as building a modest dwarven army. I *loved* the minis, the art, and the flavor. In the end the rules were just too poorly organized and presented...the 7th edition (!) rulebook read like what I would expect in a first edition. Lots of terms not formally defined (or at least nor defined until well after they crop up). Related information scattered throught the book and presented in various contexts.

This isn't a criticsm of folks who dig Warhammer Fantasy...it just wasn't the game for me.

This isn't a criticsm of folks who dig Warhammer Fantasy...it just wasn't the game for me.

Also although this is not quite the same thing anyone here played any of the none core games like bloodbowl, Necromunda, or mordenheim?

I like the chariot races :)

Also although this is not quite the same thing anyone here played any of the none core games like bloodbowl, Necromunda, or mordenheim?

Well, since i haven't played WH 40K in a long time, and i'm getting a bit desperate for cash, i'm having my brother paint my armies, and i will be selling them online. My Inquisition army (Greyknights with Sisters as allies) will be the first to go. Just wanted to give people the heads up, and I'll try to get my bro to paint them as quick as he can..

I tried to play Fantasy for a while, even going as far as building a modest dwarven army. I *loved* the minis, the art, and the flavor. In the end the rules were just too poorly organized and presented...the 7th edition (!) rulebook read like what I would expect in a first edition. Lots of terms not formally defined (or at least nor defined until well after they crop up). Related information scattered throught the book and presented in various contexts.

This isn't a criticsm of folks who dig Warhammer Fantasy...it just wasn't the game for me.

Well, since i haven't played WH 40K in a long time, and i'm getting a bit desperate for cash, i'm having my brother paint my armies, and i will be selling them online. My Inquisition army (Greyknights with Sisters as allies) will be the first to go. Just wanted to give people the heads up, and I'll try to get my bro to paint them as quick as he can..

As part of my 'evil' master plan to field an Apocalypse army and own two armies I have decided that I don't know how to count and want to get some Imperial Guard and Eldar minis, but since the Imperial Guard codex isn't out yet I want to start looking at some Eldar first.

What do you think are the best Eldar units? What really works well and what kinda sucks? Are there any that would work better at the Apocalypse level with the Tau? If I could find one of the older box dela things are any of them better to get?

My collection thanks you in advance, but my wallet may be coming to kill you in your sleep ;)

What do you think are the best Eldar units? What really works well and what kinda sucks? Are there any that would work better at the Apocalypse level with the Tau? If I could find one of the older box dela things are any of them better to get?

My collection thanks you in advance, but my wallet may be coming to kill you in your sleep ;)

As far as the big toys for Eldar that are solid choices. Vampire Raider, Scorpion, Void Dragon Phoenix, Cobra, and the Revenant Titan.

As far as base units for Apocalypse everyone dies the same, be it a Terminator or a Grot. Class D weapons destroy everything.

Are far as solid units choices for a base army. Dire Avengers, Rangers upgraded to Pathfinders, Harlequins, Howling Banshee's, Vypers, Swooping Hawks, Autarchs, War Walker Squadrons with Shuriken Cannons, Falcons, Wraithlords. Again it mostly depends on your personal play style.

I sure wish Tau got some new main tank or walker or superheavy that wasnt a flyer.

I sure wish Tau got some new main tank or walker or superheavy that wasnt a flyer.

Since the new Imperial Guard Codex will be out soon. I figured I would ask you all which armies do you think are the three most powerful, and the three weakest in 40k, and Warhammer Fantasy. Let the debate begin!

40k Strongest------------------40k Weakest
1) Orks------------------------1) Daemon Hunters
2) Space Marines---------------2) Dark Eldar
3) New Imperial Guard----------3) Necrons

Got to read a prerelease copy of the new codex at the LGS. I believe the new guard are going to be real tough to beat.

Warhammer Strongest-------------Warhammer Weakest
1) Brettonia--------------------1) Orcs and Goblins
2) Vampire Counts---------------2) Ogre Kingdoms
3) Daemons----------------------3) Beastmen

So much for me trying to line everything up nice and neat.

yeah; best to use notebook or word book and paste; the editor here doesnt display text very neatly.

I wouldnt say 40k Orcs are the tuffest in most scenarios; they will munch you in hand to hand; but die like flies otherwise; for this debate I think the scenario matters a whole lot; Orks dont rate as far as I am concerned.

Since the new Imperial Guard Codex will be out soon. I figured I would ask you all which armies do you think are the three most powerful, and the three weakest in 40k, and Warhammer Fantasy. Let the debate begin!

40k Strongest------------------40k Weakest
1) Orks------------------------1) Daemon Hunters
2) Space Marines---------------2) Dark Eldar
3) New Imperial Guard----------3) Necrons

Balfic-graa wrote:

I don't have enough personal experience with a lot of the armies to give my opinion about this, but I'm curious, why do you have the Necrons at such a low place? I've done pretty well with mine. Of course, I've had very limited opponents, so, that could be it too...

From what I have seen with the new edition Necrons have been struggling. The ability of run rule gives everyone the ability to engage in hth combat much quicker than before. Which denys them of there major strength; shooting. Necrons are vulnerable in hth with power weapons and overall are phasing out in battles alot more overall.
Your melee units are currently underpowered compared to the new codex's. Pariahs, Wraiths, Flayed Ones need a revamp to keep them competitive. Though your Monolith really got an upgrade with 5th ed with the vehicle damage chart. It is a real monster on the battle field. Unfortunately it doesn't count for your phase out tests.

I'm just looking into getting into warhamer, and while my group of players haven't officially decided what we want to do, were going to set up and do various scenerios... ideally. Anyway it's looking like fantasy right now. I'm looking at what army to go for. An important thing is to it is that I'm going on theme and look as I don't know the rules and I'd rather paint cool looking minis as opposed to just the strongest. I'm seriously leaning towards dark elves, and am contemplating starting with the battallion box and a complement of a few tougher singles and maybe a blister of witch elves. Any thoughts from any fantasy players?

well; not many peeps play lizard men; its a great army and I have seen some awesome paint jobs; takes alot of work and detail if you like that sort of thing I would say go for it. Playing them, you would probably be the only one and your army would stand out.