If you have a question about 4E, feel free to ask it here. Things like actual play experiences, how the system reads vs. how the system plays, will my character/monster/world concept work, ect. are good topics to explore.

P.S. You're welcome, Stefan Hill. :)

Awesome idea, similar to the "Ask A Stupid Question" thread on the WOTC board, I like it!

Rock on.

Whats to Question? The 'Points of Light' memo concludes in less than a page that broken down ruin is the Average state of play and everything tends toward that state; even the over-populated cities that dont seem to be supported by the resource traffic necessary for survival.

Little descrepencies like two hundred and forty-five wagon loads of firewood per day for a city of twenty thousand people apparently dont matter.

Whats to Question? The 'Points of Light' memo concludes in less than a page that broken down ruin is the Average state of play and everything tends toward that state; even the over-populated cities that dont seem to be supported by the resource traffic necessary for survival.

yellowdingo wrote:

Whats to Question? The 'Points of Light' memo concludes in less than a page that broken down ruin is the Average state of play and everything tends toward that state; even the over-populated cities that dont seem to be supported by the resource traffic necessary for survival.

This is why we can't have nice things, Paizo boards.

Whats to Question? The 'Points of Light' memo concludes in less than a page that broken down ruin is the Average state of play and everything tends toward that state; even the over-populated cities that dont seem to be supported by the resource traffic necessary for survival.

Little descrepencies like two hundred and forty-five wagon loads of firewood per day for a city of twenty thousand people apparently dont matter.

Thank you, thank you very much.

Im beginning to think this forum should be shut down.

Scott Betts wrote:

yellowdingo wrote:

Whats to Question? The 'Points of Light' memo concludes in less than a page that broken down ruin is the Average state of play and everything tends toward that state; even the over-populated cities that dont seem to be supported by the resource traffic necessary for survival.

This is why we can't have nice things, Paizo boards.

OK here is a Question: How much money does your Wizard need in 4e to enchant a Flying Sailingship? How long will it take to enchant?

Sources: Enchant Magic Item (Player's Handbook pg. 304), Airship (Adventurer's Vault pg. 18)

Ok Swordmage question:

The Daily power Whirling Blade says:

Miss: Repeat the attack against a second target within 5
squares of the first. If you miss, repeat the attack against
a third target within 5 squares of the second. If you miss
again, repeat the attack against a fourth target within 5
squares of the third. Your weapon then returns to your
hand.

So let's say I use this and miss the BBEG and no other baddies are available does it target my allies within reach? If so I feel bad for any party members that are nearby.

Ok Swordmage question:

The Daily power Whirling Blade says:

Miss: Repeat the attack against a second target within 5
squares of the first. If you miss, repeat the attack against
a third target within 5 squares of the second. If you miss
again, repeat the attack against a fourth target within 5
squares of the third. Your weapon then returns to your
hand.

So let's say I use this and miss the BBEG and no other baddies are available does it target my allies within reach? If so I feel bad for any party members that are nearby.

Feats like War Wizardry can help reduce the chance that you'll injure your friends this way.

is Adventurers Vault a 4e Rulebook by WOTC? IF it aint, then it aint valid in this conversation...Too quick a build and too small an enchant cost. With Skyships Rules from the Alphatian/Thyatian D&D Boxed set combined with 3E it takes 100 years, and costs up of 25 million gp.

Enchant Hullframe Cost: (Minor Creation (wood) + fly) x 3000gp x #frame sections x levels of spells, time: 1 week x total spell levels
Minimum Wizard level (18)

is Adventurers Vault a 4e Rulebook by WOTC?

is Adventurers Vault a 4e Rulebook by WOTC?

IF it aint, then it aint valid in this conversation...Too quick a build and too small an enchant cost. With Skyships Rules from the Alphatian/Thyatian D&D Boxed set combined with 3E it takes 100 years, and costs up of 25 million gp.

Adveture's Vault is a WOTC sourcebook

Thanks Scott, apperciate it. Now to tell Rev... I may train out that power

said stuff about skyships

Thanks Scott, apperciate it. Now to tell Rev... I may train out that power

That said, I think it's probably the weakest 1st-level daily power if you're acting as the party's primary defender. Burning Blade has better damage against BBEGs and Frost Backlash has a lot more utility for defenders.

Dunno. As a DM, I'd be inclined to rule that as a swordmage rose in level, they'd also rise in their ability to control the power. It's a funky daily, but not so great if you have to turn your allies into chowder to use it.

I've been toying with building a sliding scale for this and other area effect spells that take down everything in range. Along the lines of roughly every two levels, your chance of hitting an ally reduces.

It's not a lot of fun either for the players or the DM if the cooler powers can't get used.

Hi Scott. I'm the DM Laz is talking about. Mixed encounters. Many, many mixed encounters.

yellowdingo wrote:

is Adventurers Vault a 4e Rulebook by WOTC? IF it aint, then it aint valid in this conversation...Too quick a build and too small an enchant cost. With Skyships Rules from the Alphatian/Thyatian D&D Boxed set combined with 3E it takes 100 years, and costs up of 25 million gp.

Enchant Hullframe Cost: (Minor Creation (wood) + fly) x 3000gp x #frame sections x levels of spells, time: 1 week x total spell levels
Minimum Wizard level (18)

** spoiler omitted **

I used a spoiler man as to not derail your thread. so no. I am not hurting the thread with a freaking spoiler about a topic that came up IN THIS thread.

Dunno. As a DM, I'd be inclined to rule that as a swordmage rose in level, they'd also rise in their ability to control the power. It's a funky daily, but not so great if you have to turn your allies into chowder to use it.

I've been toying with building a sliding scale for this and other area effect spells that take down everything in range. Along the lines of roughly every two levels, your chance of hitting an ally reduces.

It's not a lot of fun either for the players or the DM if the cooler powers can't get used.

I used a spoiler man as to not derail your thread. so no. I am not hurting the thread with a freaking spoiler about a topic that came up IN THIS thread.

Though I had edited down smaller really, was not trying to derail but it is pointless to make another thread just to comment on one thing, that's silly and I wont do it

Of course it does. Thank you - you did mention it before, but the thread is whizzing along at the moment and I missed it.

I also have a question.

One of my players is a gnoll. None of the gnoll feats/powers/attacks that I've seen so far allow her to use her gnollish nature to grant pack status to her party.

In your opinion, would it possible to do such a thing within the rules as they stand? Gnolls-as-monsters tend to have pack attack, which lets them deal extra damage when they have two or more adjacent pack members next to an enemy.

Would it be a game breaker to create a ritual which allowed her to mark her party as her pack for a limited time?

Though I had edited down smaller really, was not trying to derail but it is pointless to make another thread just to comment on one thing, that's silly and I wont do it

Scott I dont recall them old ship rules often, and gods where they complex, I know he is prob just messing with yall but it did make me want to comment, so I put it in a spoiler so it should not bug the thread, ya made the big deal out of it not me.

Lazaro wrote:

Ok Swordmage question:

The Daily power Whirling Blade says:

Miss: Repeat the attack against a second target within 5
squares of the first. If you miss, repeat the attack against
a third target within 5 squares of the second. If you miss
again, repeat the attack against a fourth target within 5
squares of the third. Your weapon then returns to your
hand.

So let's say I use this and miss the BBEG and no other baddies are available does it target my allies within reach? If so I feel bad for any party members that are nearby.

Yes, that's what happens. If you use Whirling Blade it's probably a good idea to only target enemies more than 5 squares away from your allies, or who have three of their own allies within 5 squares of each other just in case you keep missing your attacks.

Feats like War Wizardry can help reduce the chance that you'll injure your friends this way.

Of course it does. Thank you - you did mention it before, but the thread is whizzing along at the moment and I missed it.

I also have a question.

One of my players is a gnoll. None of the gnoll feats/powers/attacks that I've seen so far allow her to use her gnollish nature to grant pack status to her party.

In your opinion, would it possible to do such a thing within the rules as they stand? Gnolls-as-monsters tend to have pack attack, which lets them deal extra damage when they have two or more adjacent pack members next to an enemy.

Would it be a game breaker to create a ritual which allowed her to mark her party as her pack for a limited time?

Something you may want to look at is the Primal Power playtest featuring tribal feats - feats that increase in strength depending on how many of your companions also possess the feat. Tribe of the Bloodied Spear in particular sounds like a good way to represent your characters learning to hunt like a pack of gnolls.

Scott Betts wrote:

Lazaro wrote:

Ok Swordmage question:

The Daily power Whirling Blade says:

Miss: Repeat the attack against a second target within 5
squares of the first. If you miss, repeat the attack against
a third target within 5 squares of the second. If you miss
again, repeat the attack against a fourth target within 5
squares of the third. Your weapon then returns to your
hand.

So let's say I use this and miss the BBEG and no other baddies are available does it target my allies within reach? If so I feel bad for any party members that are nearby.

Yes, that's what happens. If you use Whirling Blade it's probably a good idea to only target enemies more than 5 squares away from your allies, or who have three of their own allies within 5 squares of each other just in case you keep missing your attacks.

Feats like War Wizardry can help reduce the chance that you'll injure your friends this way.

Actually Scott, im not sure you are correct. When you use a power, you have to define all targets BEFORE you make the initial attack role. If you dont have 4 targets to define, then you wont make 4 attacks.

You're correct that the targets of a power need to be defined before the attack rolls, but in this case an examination of Whirling Blade's target field gives us our answer: despite the fact that the power gains extra targets if you continue to miss with it, you still only target "One creature" when you first use the power.

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Something you may want to look at is the Primal Power playtest featuring tribal feats - feats that increase in strength depending on how many of your companions also possess the feat. Tribe of the Bloodied Spear in particular sounds like a good way to represent your characters learning to hunt like a pack of gnolls.

Prithee, good madam DM, I am no gnoll.

*glares daggers at Whiteclaw*

Scott Betts wrote:

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Something you may want to look at is the Primal Power playtest featuring tribal feats - feats that increase in strength depending on how many of your companions also possess the feat. Tribe of the Bloodied Spear in particular sounds like a good way to represent your characters learning to hunt like a pack of gnolls.

The link keeps bringing me back to this thread, but the feats sound like the exact flavour I'm looking for.

EDIT: Ah, it's subscribers-only. If you don't have a DDI subscription you won't be able to check out the article.

I'll give you the feat's info anyway. Tribal feats operate the same as any other feat - they don't have any special prerequisites, so anyone can take them.

Tribe of the Bloodied Spear [Tribal]
Benefit: You gain a +1 bonus to attack rolls and
damage rolls on all opportunity attacks. This bonus
increases by +1 for each ally with this feat that is
within 10 squares of you to a maximum of +5.

You know, when I read that article a while back I thought the feats were cool but always imagined them as more of a formal fighting style sort of thing. The idea of a gnoll teaching the rest of the party how to hunt prey like a pack actually fits these tribal feats better than anything I was able to come up with.

It's true I can't imagine Arianwyn (or Vel, Reason and Kia for that matter) joining any kind of pack, but The Rogue Knight and Gobi would probably like it.

... The idea of a gnoll teaching the rest of the party how to hunt prey like a pack actually fits these tribal feats better than anything I was able to come up with.

Rev

Laz

how many classes are there in 4E now? and can someone do a breakdown of each power sources role classes

I.E. [b]arcane]
Arcane Defender: blah, and blah
Arcane Striker: blah, and blah
Arcane Controller: blah
Arcane leader: none yet

etc.

I'm just trying to see how each power source breaks down to rules and If I can only get one suplement for 4e what should it be (I play in 4e when able but don't run, when running I prefer 3e)

how many classes are there in 4E now? and can someone do a breakdown of each power sources role classes

I.E. [b]arcane]
Arcane Defender: blah, and blah
Arcane Striker: blah, and blah
Arcane Controller: blah
Arcane leader: none yet

etc.

I'm just trying to see how each power source breaks down to rules and If I can only get one suplement for 4e what should it be (I play in 4e when able but don't run, when running I prefer 3e)

Divine
Defender - Paladin (PHB)
Striker - Avenger (PHB2)
Controller - Invoker (PHB2)
Leader - Cleric (PHB)

Arcane
Defender - Swordmage (FRPG)
Striker - Sorcerer (PHB2) Warlock (PHB)
Controller - Wizard (PHB)
Leader - Bard (PHB2)

Primal
Defender - Warden (PHB2)
Striker - Barbarian (PHB2)
Controller - Druid (PHB2)
Leader - Shamen (PHB2)

Has anyone tried out the product "Witch Doctor," a controller role offered by One Bad Egg (and available at Paizo)? My experience with it has been VERY good, although I haven't tried the shaman class, either.

As you can see, PHB2 is a worthy resource for your consideration.

hm I thought I had heard of more classes than just the swordmage other than those offered by the PHBII guess it must have been 3rd party stuff. Anywho, I guess if theres a players supplement to get it should be the PHBII, although isn't there a martial and arcane sourcebook? are there plans for a divine along the same lines?

Yes, you're thinking of Martial Power and Arcane Power. Both offer new powers, feats, paragon paths, and epic destinies. They don't have new classes in them, though.

http://paizo.com/store/byCompany/w/wizardsOfTheCoast/byProductType/roleplay ingGames/dungeonsDragons/4thEdition/sourcebooks/v5748btpy86kx

Divine Power isn't out yet but should be coming in July.

hm I thought I had heard of more classes than just the swordmage other than those offered by the PHBII guess it must have been 3rd party stuff. Anywho, I guess if theres a players supplement to get it should be the PHBII, although isn't there a martial and arcane sourcebook? are there plans for a divine along the same lines?

Which 4e adventures are urban and/or non-dungeon crawls?

The Punjar series from Goodman Games.

The Punjar series from Goodman Games.

I will check them out.

Which 4e adventures are urban and/or non-dungeon crawls?

This is one I have been wondering for a while. It hasn't come up in my game too much but there is only 3 PCs.

1)Can you ignore allies when drawing Line of sight? What about line of effect?
2)Can you use a pole arm to attack through an allies space to a creature?

This is one I have been wondering for a while. It hasn't come up in my game too much but there is only 3 PCs.

1)Can you ignore allies when drawing Line of sight? What about line of effect?

Sources: Seeing and Targeting (Player's Handbook pg. 273), Cover (Player's Handbook pg. 280)

2)Can you use a pole arm to attack through an allies space to a creature?

Source: Cover (Player's Handbook pg. 280)