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This board almost turned me off the the Wizards website entirely.
Basically putting up anything negative about 4th Ed (especially since the new spell list has come out) you can basically draw the wrath of 95% of the board. This board in "MAX TROLLING CAPABILITY" has become second only to the My little Pony fan forums in maximum trollability...it's absolutely aweful.
Any non-trolling concerns are met with a group of snotty comments questioning the posters intelligence, and when the poster has some minor inkling of sniping back at the wall of brat-ism, a mod pops up and tells everybody to remain "civil"...after a halfpage of veiled insults and potshots at the OP or commenting party.
Their concerns and critcism's section has become a pom-pom gallery with almost a quarter of the threads being about what is terrible with 3.5 and another quarter being about what is NOT wrong with 4th Ed and why people who disagree are wrong. Seriously this place is amazing.
Seriously, I almost feel dirty going there and downloading charater sheets now...this from a website I have had bookmarked for several years (not that the content was that mind-blowing, but still it was enjoyable).
Out of all the gaming boards that I have seen, Wizards takes the taco as most unlikeable for me.
I'm glad I can come here and a few other places and still read and talk about gaming.
Last time I was over there I never bothered to read the replies to my post.
Threadjack for Kruelaid, because I do not know any other way to contact him.
If you read the replies to your posts here, there is something I have to say to you. Your profile mentions that you make less money in China than you used to. If you are not already aware of this, I want to be the one to tell you, here in Taiwan, the money is the best in the ESL industry. China is great, but Taiwan is the land of convenience. We also had no cultural revolution. Come and visit.
talhoyle@yahoo.com.
This board almost turned me off the the Wizards website entirely.
Basically putting up anything negative about 4th Ed (especially since the new spell list has come out) you can basically draw the wrath of 95% of the board. This board in "MAX TROLLING CAPABILITY" has become second only to the My little Pony fan forums in maximum trollability...it's absolutely aweful.
You will ENJOY 4th edition or else, Comrade.... GLEEMAX says so....
And what the HECK is a GLEEMAX anyways?
Gleeeeeemax..... snicker.
i stopped going because of what the OP is talking about just got tired of being called an idot for not see that 4e is the greatist game ever and if i liked 3.5 i had to be dumb because its so broken and unusable . sad really.
I also got tired of WotC locking anything that seems threatening to business, or something that may sway the herd.
I'm sorry if you think something might hurt business don't gag the people, make your business better.
Fizz
This board almost turned me off the the Wizards website entirely.
Basically putting up anything negative about 4th Ed (especially since the new spell list has come out) you can basically draw the wrath of 95% of the board. This board in "MAX TROLLING CAPABILITY" has become second only to the My little Pony fan forums in maximum trollability...it's absolutely aweful.
You will ENJOY 4th edition or else, Comrade.... GLEEMAX says so....
And what the HECK is a GLEEMAX anyways?
Gleeeeeemax..... snicker.
Gleemax was a MtG card that was a big brain in the jar and was an "I instantly win this game card" (it was released as part of a joke booster set and could only be used in very specific circumstances). The flavor text indicated Gleemax had overtaken the R&D department and was mind-controlling the developers ... luckily it never reads flavor text so they were able to get the word out ...
Wow, you guys are amazing. No seriously, you made it through the maze that is called gleemax?
It has taken me months to figure out a decent navigational understanding of WotC new "convenient and cool" website let alone their message-boards. Gleemax (they could have just called it awesomemax or coolmax or whatevermax) is completely unnavigable to me.
I tried but figured "Hey, this seems to be leading me in circles. Maybe I'll go do something else... anything else. God, that green is an awful colour."
Edit: I did learn that the 'new' D&D website looks pretty decent if you have a widescreen type monitor. Otherwise bleh.
DM Jeff
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I never post there, though I had in the past. You are right - those boards are rabidly pro 4E and an unpleasant place to hold a discussion.
Unfortunately you could have replaced WotC with Paizo and that is often how this place is perceived.
I hope that your experience there helps to raise the level of discourse here.
Gleemax was a MtG card that was a big brain in the jar and was an "I instantly win this game card" (it was released as part of a joke booster set and could only be used in very specific circumstances). The flavor text indicated Gleemax had overtaken the R&D department and was mind-controlling the developers ... luckily it never reads flavor text so they were able to get the word out ...
Well thank you for explaining that one to me... the Unglued (I guess it was) set came out when I was "taking a long break" from Magic... I still miss the Fallen Empires to Homelands days...Time Spiral was cool enough, but still not the good ol' days.
I stopped going to the boards altogether. I agree, it is very unlikeable and unpleasant. You say one thing in criticism, and you've got 60 people jumping down your back, insulting you, calling you names and otherwise being just plain rude. That's OK - WotC allows someone to post a reply calling you names, but don't you dare post that you hate the way classes and races are in the preview books! Instant deletion.
As far as GleeMax goes - that site is stupid, horrible and pointless. I was especially irked over how one day, I could no longer log on to WotC and I was forced to go register all over again at Gleemax to access the DnD forums and Insider.
Oh BTW - don't you guys just love the Dungeon and Dragon sections of the WotC site. There's SO much cool and awesome content up there - the magazines were never that great. There's so many awesome adventures coming out each month and so many cool Dragon articles - NOT!!!
And they're going to charge for online content????
I'm all for giving 4e a chance, but if it's anything like what the last few months have demonstrated - no thanks.
Gleemax was a MtG card that was a big brain in the jar and was an "I instantly win this game card" (it was released as part of a joke booster set and could only be used in very specific circumstances). The flavor text indicated Gleemax had overtaken the R&D department and was mind-controlling the developers ... luckily it never reads flavor text so they were able to get the word out ...
Well thank you for explaining that one to me... the Unglued (I guess it was) set came out when I was "taking a long break" from Magic... I still miss the Fallen Empires to Homelands days...Time Spiral was cool enough, but still not the good ol' days.
Heh, I'm only familar with it because I had a friend who owned one, and did, in fact, manage to play it on me! ><
I think they have a card finder thingy on their website that lets you pull up any card you want. I know I looked at the Gleemax card on there before because the name sounded familar.
I agree, same reason why I hardly ever go to WotC forums anymore. I got a warning from a WizO for simply being anti-4E, yet all the pro-4Es that beat the living hell out of even one negative criticism about 4E are still there. A friend of mine had an anti-4E comment in his signature and a WizO changed it on him.
It's good for business. Lock away the naysayers onto one thread, keep the rest of the threads optimisitic about 4E. Anyone new to D&D who pops on the boards to receive some reviews on 4E is only going to get positive reviews and think the system truly is the best ever.
It's happening on ENWorld, too. Not as bad as WotC forums, but it's getting there.
Modera
(Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Roleplaying Game, Campaign Setting, Companion Subscriber)
Gleemax was a MtG card that was a big brain in the jar and was an "I instantly win this game card" (it was released as part of a joke booster set and could only be used in very specific circumstances). The flavor text indicated Gleemax had overtaken the R&D department and was mind-controlling the developers ... luckily it never reads flavor text so they were able to get the word out ...
Well thank you for explaining that one to me... the Unglued (I guess it was) set came out when I was "taking a long break" from Magic... I still miss the Fallen Empires to Homelands days...Time Spiral was cool enough, but still not the good ol' days.
Heh, I'm only familar with it because I had a friend who owned one, and did, in fact, manage to play it on me! ><
I think they have a card finder thingy on their website that lets you pull up any card you want. I know I looked at the Gleemax card on there before because the name sounded familar.
Funny thing about Gleemax, it has a legend beyond the card. Back when magic was getting more and more popular, it was a joke that all the cards were created by Gleemax, a brain in a jar, that created all the sets and knew all the cards.
If you want to download character sheets without feeling "soiled" by the proximity of WotC boards, try Mad Irishman Productions.
I was going to say the opposite. For months and months they were just desperately shrill whining about how 4th edition is dumbed down and is going to ruin the hobby. I reviewed them for a while until I realized I could get the same thing here PLUS I could buy PDFs, too.
I think I prefer my pro/anti whining in PDF format too. Less time to download, more concentrated angst in one package. Every forum should have this as a service. :)
.....This board in "MAX TROLLING CAPABILITY" has become second only to the My little Pony fan forums in maximum trollability...it's absolutely aweful......
Wait a moment; smurfy threadjack here, just to clarify a couple of points about the GLEEMAX forums, to which the OP was referring.
(i) There are My Little Pony fan forums?(ii) Aforementioned My Little Pony fan forums are full of trolls? What sort of fans do these little ponies have? Has Mr. Nicholas Logue been writing adventures for them that have caused them to horribly mutate? I thought that that was just a wild rumour that was circulating.
Yes, the WotC Concerns and Criticism forum has degenerated into 4E fanboys flaming anyone who is the least bit critical, while the Community Manager dismisses code of conduct violations by his chosen representatives because people complain about each repeat offense. While there is some very bad 4E and staff bashing, as long as the community management is so bad, I expect the forums to continue to degenerate.
The only thing that is likely to cause a change is when the D&DI subscriptions go live, someone posts a complaint to the forums, gets attacked, responds, and has his account banned by the rapidly disintegrating community management. When such things cause a loss of subscribers and income WotC may begin to realize they made a serious error.
WotC still has message boards?
Yes, they have. Two, to be pricise: Gleemax and EN World.
They're not for discussing pros and cons, though, because they don't tolerate different opinions.
Used to post on both but ever since it became a major crime there to say anything but highest praises for 4e, I dropped that habit.
I never post there, though I had in the past. You are right - those boards are rabidly pro 4E and an unpleasant place to hold a discussion.
Unfortunately you could have replaced WotC with Paizo and that is often how this place is perceived.
I hope that your experience there helps to raise the level of discourse here.
yes, my friend. but .... Paizo is not GREEEEEEEEEEN ! like radioactive green. Feels like an escaped experiment from Call of Cthulhu. Even when I still liked WOTC I could not bear the visual design.
Thanks god for the Paizo board.
Kevin Mack
(Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)
I've not wondered into the WotC Trollshaws for a while- but my curiosity was pricked by this thread, since my last visit was so unpleasant. And lo! the first thread I open regarding anti 4th Edition, ie: those who won't drink the Hasbro Kool-Aid, has this wee doozey:
I got this great idea that will finally solve the anti-4e problem.I suggest the Mods put markers next to anti-4e people's names so we know who they are at a glance so we can ignore them. If that doesnt work we can lock them from accessing the 4e section of the boards. The problem would finally be solved when the 4th edition begins and they will be unable to access the D&D pages at all. It will be like they dont even exist anymore.
Nice to see the level of discourse has evolved from simple trolling to quasi-sectarianism.
I'm sure people like this will be happier with DDI anyway; I'm not sure I'd trust them with a pencil or anything similarly pointy. Best to keep them to keyboards.If I was disaffected before, now I'm pissed at the nosedive in the quality of discussion by these myopic morons. It's not like the invective is even any good, it's one step up from a kind of cliquey highschool bi7chiness.
tsk.
carmachu
(Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Roleplaying Game, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber)
I never post there, though I had in the past. You are right - those boards are rabidly pro 4E and an unpleasant place to hold a discussion.
Unfortunately you could have replaced WotC with Paizo and that is often how this place is perceived.
I hope that your experience there helps to raise the level of discourse here.
yes, my friend. but .... Paizo is not GREEEEEEEEEEN ! like radioactive green. Feels like an escaped experiment from Call of Cthulhu. Even when I still liked WOTC I could not bear the visual design.
Thanks god for the Paizo board.
Yep - the design of Gleemax is very craptacular.
SageSTL
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WotC still has message boards?Yes, they have. Two, to be pricise: Gleemax and EN World.
They're not for discussing pros and cons, though, because they don't tolerate different opinions.
Used to post on both but ever since it became a major crime there to say anything but highest praises for 4e, I dropped that habit.
Have to agree with you there in Enworld. Its getting harder and harder to go back there.
It's happening on ENWorld, too. Not as bad as WotC forums, but it's getting there.
Same here. I used to read, if not post, over at ENWorld on a regular basis. Now, the community overall has become... disappointing, to say the least.
Unfortunately you could have replaced WotC with Paizo and that is often how this place is perceived.
How it is perceived... well, that doesn't really mean much.
I find that there are more categories of unpleasant here at Paizo, almost all of them are more intelligent and most of them are less intense. And as a side note, you have dealt your share of dismissiveness around here, CWM, and stirred up more than your share of the crap.
May I point out also that here at Paizo there are copious pro-4E posts that have not been flamed (and visa-versa). We are not all anti-4E by any stretch of the imagination.
In memory of Gary, I hope that instead of being dicks we can be a little more cool around here. Play our games nicely and get along whatever games they may be.
I stopped going to the boards altogether. I agree, it is very unlikeable and unpleasant. You say one thing in criticism, and you've got 60 people jumping down your back, insulting you, calling you names and otherwise being just plain rude. That's OK - WotC allows someone to post a reply calling you names, but don't you dare post that you hate the way classes and races are in the preview books! Instant deletion.
...
Don't even dare question there message board policies, that is a no no. I once wrote a post about how WotC does censor there message boards (as does Paizo) and there is a reason for it, so as to maintain civility upon the messageboards. I was warned by an official WotC monitor that I was off topic and need to refrain from discussing WotC's policy of censorship. Which they don't do! But try to write f~~% on the WotC message boards or this one.
P>S> Thanks for editing the post. I mean it.
I don't think WotC boards as a whole are that bad (considering the vastly greater traffic on there). I don't frequent the 4E boards myself, so as to them in particular I cannot comment; the 3.5 boards, though, are (usually) reasonable. Granted, there are more than a few idiots, but I think that's mainly because there's so many folks posting there you're bound to get a few. The discussions can get a bit...animated...at times, I'll grant you. But quite a few us us have kvetched about 4E's possible problems sporadically and it doesn't usually start anything serious.
I've only ever posted at WotC to flame the Star Wars morons. And there are plenty of them.
So i take you're one of those Lord of the Rings fanboys?
Those movies were so boring.
10 hours of people walking.
Let me recap the movies for you.
This is Fellowship
*Walks around the room*
This is Two Towers
*Walks around some more*
This is Return
*Walks, pulls ring of finger, drops it*
And don't get me started about the homo scenes between Sam and Frodo!
And don't even think about mentioning Episode 1-3!!
;-)
I don't think WotC boards as a whole are that bad (considering the vastly greater traffic on there). I don't frequent the 4E boards myself, so as to them in particular I cannot comment; the 3.5 boards, though, are (usually) reasonable. Granted, there are more than a few idiots, but I think that's mainly because there's so many folks posting there you're bound to get a few. The discussions can get a bit...animated...at times, I'll grant you. But quite a few us us have kvetched about 4E's possible problems sporadically and it doesn't usually start anything serious.
To be honest, while ENWorld gets a pretty bad rap over here for being pro-4E, IMO, I see them as actually more anti-4E that these boards. Reading posts over there always wears me out way more than over here. Maybe its the difference in anti-4E posters, I dunno. (Or maybe its just the difference between the black color scheme vs the white!)
Cheers! :)
I don't think WotC boards as a whole are that bad (considering the vastly greater traffic on there).
You obviously weren't ever caught up in the "discussions" over the "proper" way to run rules from 3.X edition.
The boards are horrendous. I can't even give them the benefit of the doubt for the level of traffic.
There are few things in this world that I would claim as a waste of bits and bytes... But the WotC boards are one (the only?).
I don't think WotC boards as a whole are that bad (considering the vastly greater traffic on there). I don't frequent the 4E boards myself, so as to them in particular I cannot comment; the 3.5 boards, though, are (usually) reasonable. Granted, there are more than a few idiots, but I think that's mainly because there's so many folks posting there you're bound to get a few. The discussions can get a bit...animated...at times, I'll grant you. But quite a few us us have kvetched about 4E's possible problems sporadically and it doesn't usually start anything serious.To be honest, while ENWorld gets a pretty bad rap over here for being pro-4E, IMO, I see them as actually more anti-4E that these boards. Reading posts over there always wears me out way more than over here. Maybe its the difference in anti-4E posters, I dunno. (Or maybe its just the difference between the black color scheme vs the white!)
Cheers! :)
Yaknow man you can change your color scheme to white over there .
Yaknow man you can change your color scheme to white over there .I don't think WotC boards as a whole are that bad (considering the vastly greater traffic on there). I don't frequent the 4E boards myself, so as to them in particular I cannot comment; the 3.5 boards, though, are (usually) reasonable. Granted, there are more than a few idiots, but I think that's mainly because there's so many folks posting there you're bound to get a few. The discussions can get a bit...animated...at times, I'll grant you. But quite a few us us have kvetched about 4E's possible problems sporadically and it doesn't usually start anything serious.To be honest, while ENWorld gets a pretty bad rap over here for being pro-4E, IMO, I see them as actually more anti-4E that these boards. Reading posts over there always wears me out way more than over here. Maybe its the difference in anti-4E posters, I dunno. (Or maybe its just the difference between the black color scheme vs the white!)
Cheers! :)
Lol. I don't really think that's the problem, but you do have me intrigued. How so?
ok man go to my account. then to edit my thread viewing options. then at the very bottom your see fourm skins.you'll have default,default 2,light,stealth and players handbook. should make it easier on ya hope that helps.
Awesome, thanks for the hand up. I'll give it a try and see if ENWorld becomes more enticing (I think I'd miss you guys too much to stay there for long though!)
Cheers! :)