This may have been addressed previously, but I just got my MM and I realize the stats are laid out exactly like the cards for the new minis. But then, I noticed that there are no metallic dragons...wht is that?

This may have been addressed previously, but I just got my MM and I realize the stats are laid out exactly like the cards for the new minis. But then, I noticed that there are no metallic dragons...wht is that?

I suspect there were several reasons:

1) Not enough room in the book; something had to go.
2) The book is weighted toward non-good monsters (there's only one good aligned creature in there), since PCs rarely fight good monsters.
3) They're saving the metallic dragons for MM2 or later.

What James said. Ninja beat me to it.

More Deja Vue..
You can make your own versions for the game.
You can wait for the new books to come out.
Probably the Forgotten Realms Monster Manual will have them.
Keep watching these boards for a link to someones take on them.

This works for most of the things missing from the core books.
Metalic Dragons are pretty much non-existant in the Points of Light game world.

More Deja Vue... You can make your own versions for the game. You can wait for the new books to come out. Probably the Forgotten Realms Monster Manual will have them. Keep watching these boards for a link to someones take on them.

This works for most of the things missing from the core books...

So does sticking with 3.5

:)

Goth Guru wrote:

More Deja Vue... You can make your own versions for the game. You can wait for the new books to come out. Probably the Forgotten Realms Monster Manual will have them. Keep watching these boards for a link to someones take on them.

This works for most of the things missing from the core books...

So does sticking with 3.5

:)

Not here, please.

And even when they do release the 4e Metallics, you'll have to make up your own Bronze, Copper, and Brass dragons. They got replaced by Adamantine, Mithral (IIRC), and Iron dragons.

Which is great really because you ever try to really work the elemental implication of being in bronze rather than brass?

OMg they fixed a proud nail, but that proud nail was the only thing that made dnd paraoxisms

My money is the reason they keep the metallics out of the mm is to keep the fanboys from having a coneption fit over something changing

But its dungeons and dragons, that requires bronze and brass none of this adamantine and mithril and iron crap Honestly I don't know where dnd gets such wierd ideas from but its obviously not fantasy,

Logos

Which is great really because you ever try to really work the elemental implication of being in bronze rather than brass?

OMg they fixed a proud nail, but that proud nail was the only thing that made dnd paraoxisms

My money is the reason they keep the metallics out of the mm is to keep the fanboys from having a coneption fit over something changing

But its dungeons and dragons, that requires bronze and brass none of this adamantine and mithril and iron crap Honestly I don't know where dnd gets such wierd ideas from but its obviously not fantasy,

Logos

That last bit was sarcastic, right?

Right?

To put it more politely,
a lot of WOTC ideas come out of left field.
I don't even try to figure out where they get ideas from.
I don't play the games because I want to get a bad headache.
I play the games because I want to have fun.
The 4th edition might be fun.
I will still play 3.5 because I know it's fun.

2) The book is weighted toward non-good monsters (there's only one good aligned creature in there), since PCs rarely fight good monsters.

Metallic Dragons are pretty much non-existent in the Points of Light game world.

There was a section in "Worlds and Monsters" that offered an interesting take on metallic dragons. Assuming the concept stays true, the 4e metallics aren't wantonly destructive (as the chromatics generally are/will be), they're more like an embodiment of "absolute power corrupts absolutely". Creatures that once had noble intentions can become power-mad with age and thus are more likely to be opponents for PCs, rather than (only) NPC patrons or other deus ex machina.

I think folks take that "Points of Light" stuff too literally. Even a layover in a seemingly safe, bustling metropolis can get pretty dicey when its leader is a high-minded fascist. Cool adventures happen wherever you want them to (and often when PCs least expect it).

I need to revise my opinion.
PHB Pg.35 "Rarely do an individual's scales match the hue of a chromatic or metallic dragon, and scale color gives no indication of the type of breath weapon a dragonborn uses."
This indicates they do intend to have metallic dragons in their main game world, just not in the first Monster Manual.

I need to revise my opinion.

PHB Pg.35 "Rarely do an individual's scales match the hue of a chromatic or metallic dragon, and scale color gives no indication of the type of breath weapon a dragonborn uses."
This indicates they do intend to have metallic dragons in their main game world, just not in the first Monster Manual.

Being that the idea is to force us to buy the 2nd, 3rd, 4th...27th Monster Manuel.

As I predicted on announcement it's the M:tG plan applied to D&D.

Because 4th edition is a whole new game, any fan created version will be very different than what WOTC puts out. Copper Dragons, which are caotic good, will probably be ommitted from the WOTC version. If Iron Dragons are included, WOTC will probably not make them constructs.