Well, it seems my wife and I are the only ones watching this show, so I don't expect it to make it to season 3, but...

We have a writer on the show into our hobby it seems. Two weeks back the 'test dummy Terminator' John Henry was painting D&D miniatures...plastic peices immediately recognizable as D&D miniatures.

Friday's episode had his handler GMing John Henry through a D&D adventure, complete with dice, Dungeon Tiles, Miniatures, and stat cards. He fought and killed an Umber Hulk with a natural 20 to crit it.

Best line of the night: "I am ready to confont the Mind Flayer now...*rolls*...20"

Just thought that was interesting. As for the show itself...yes, it rambles on sometimes but when the writers decide to focus, and toss in lots of candy for us old-time Terminator fans, well, they roll a 20.

I've been enjoying this show since it came out. What a loop it threw for the season finale. I really hope that it gets picked up for another season so they can resolve the end of that plot.

I love this show and the finale was damn good. By the way I don't know what you mean that you are the only one watching. I watch online and typically there are 4K-6K people who have rated the shows. Maybe that is low which I hope isn't the case.

Well, I watch it when I can. However, I have missed so many episodes that I am just waiting for it to come out on DVD.

I've been watching it since the beginning as well and I wasn't expecting to find Weaver as one of the good guys. I liked the season finale and it's nod to D&D (did it ever occur to you that John Henry can roll any number he wants?). I hope they pick it up for next season as well, that finale was great.

I liked the fact that Weaver was a good guy, even though she has killed alot of people. But in the words or Awwwnold " Yes but they were all bad" It appear that Sara and John COMPLETELY missed Skynet. Since John Henry is not it.

I found it in the middle of the first season and picked that season up on DVD. I have been watching this season religiously. I agree they need at least one more season.

I've really enjoyed this show, but the numbers dropped significantly from the first season. I will be surprised to see it picked up for a full run next Fall.

I'd be interested, however, in knowing the number of day-after iTunes and Amazon downloads, and the number of views of full episodes at the Fox website. I've been watching the series on a season pass from iTunes. I can't help but wonder how many people out there are watching current TV shows this way. In fact, it's how I watch Lost, Supernatural, Smallville, and Sarah Connor-- I don't even get Fox, et al. on the Dish or by airwaves, and AppleTV lets you watch HD shows, now, right to your set, commercial free. I hope there's an accounting for the viewers like me.

It's intersting as the arc with John Henry has involved him learning to think and reason, yet understand the difference between right and wrong.

Also intersting that painting miniatures and playing the D&D game is used as a tool to learn reasoning and interpersonal skills.

Had to be 3rd edition, 4.0 is clearly a tool of Skynet to further it's
nefarious scheme's.

I really like this show and the D&D references just made it cooler. I do hope it's back for another season (or two)!

While the plot twist with John Henry and the rogue terminators is surprising, hints have been dropped this season (the origin of Cameron episode, for instance). Of course, this might just be another feint by skynet.

What gets me is does the future really change or is each action in an episode just pealing the onion layers of what really happened and those actions are immutable. I know a lot of science fiction has been written on this point, it is an intreging concept.

A really good show.

Tom Carpenter

I don't know if there's been any cooperation between the new Terminator Salvation movie and the TV series, but as I watched the last 2 episodes, I realised that one of the actresses in the movie is the red-headed Dallas Bryce Howard, and thought it would be cool if her character was named Savannah Weaver.

Why does everyone assume Weaver is a good guy? She is in the heart of the future resistance, before any of them are aware of her type of Unit. She effectively disappears, leaving a young, half naked, John Connor alone with people who from the original timeline (her viewpoint anyway) should have already known him.; after all he formed the resistance. He was lucky he wasn't shot on sight. Further, both she and John Henry are out there loose, maybe to take down Skynet, maybe to form up with the resistance, or perhaps hoping to infiltrate and take over Skynet, or effectively cripple the resistance by giving them John Conner before his is the "real" John Connor. Does anything beat screwing up the future than giving it over to an inexperienced yet likable leader? We've already seen that this unscheduled time leaps are interfereing with the timeline, such as Dekker having different memories than Jesse, Andy getting wacked before the future, etc.

Sorry, just really curious to see different ideas about where the show could be going, if given the chance to continue in light of the new movies coming out. After all, some of the "hints" I have heard about the movie indicate there could be a "Hera" type future in store for the human race. Perhaps a baby borg is in the making. Maybe Weaver and John Henry are back in the future to be the proud adoptive parents of Skynet Junior. Personally I hope that is all speculative garbage, but who knows.

I don't know if there's been any cooperation between the new Terminator Salvation movie and the TV series,

My buddy mentioned this too. I thought, if the series wasn't picked up in the fall (a shame IMO) and the movie doesn't reference too much of it, you'd just assume John jumps into the future and becomes Christian Bale in the movie.

Ahhh... The smell of paradox in the morning. ;-)

As far as the series and movie are concerned, since the series was all but canceled in the middle of season 2, I wouldn't be surprised if Warner Brothers didn't toss some money at Fox to keep the show going as an ongoing trailer. Also, it could have been part of the deal involving Watchmen.

As far as timeline:

The series has already taken the tact that the future isn't set. Soldiers from the future constantly talk about when their J-Day was.

While we are certain that John Connor leads the resistance, and makes it what it is, that doesn't mean where/when John jumped to is the "Resistance." That could just be a band of people fighting for their lives, and John will turn them into the resistance.

As for Season 3:

I'd like to see it, but I am skeptical about where it could go or how much interest there will be.
Since it is called Sarah Connor Chronicles, I'd think it would have to stay with her. And what's left to tell of her story? At least as far as the timeline is concerned. She completed her "job" after all.
But then again, the show is still called Prison Break, even though they have been out of prison for a while...
And without Cameron, I wonder how much the viewerships drops after that...

That is enough speculation for me, for now.

I've been a fan of the show since it first came on. The ratings are pretty low (I think the finale got like a 1.3), so unless downloads and hulu-views and whatever are taken into account I don't know if that's enough to make it for season 3, but I hope it gets there. I have enjoyed the characters and the plots. I've long been wondering about what Weaver's game is, but it seemed clear to me early on that she wasn't in the regular "Skynet" mode of operation - she was a rogue operative of some sort.

About the "will you join us" question - I didn't catch it right away, but as I was thinking later on the obvious parallel dinged in my mind about the T-1000 on the submarine and Jesse talking with Cameron later on. The T-1000 said the answer was no. Cameron said the question was "Will you join us." Ellison delivered the same question to John & Cameron at the sleazy motel and Cameron kinda wigged out. She would have remembered the particular question and answer and might have realized right then that Weaver might be the T-1000, or that something was screwy.

Anyway, I like it and hope to see more of the show next season.

Just finished the last two episodes--great wrap-up! While I hope to see a third season, I think the series could be done; the last episode was a great finale.

Hey guys. I am (or was) a big fan of this show too. Looks like it might not be coming back? Fox just announced its Fall and midseason lineups and neither include Terminator. I don't think this is conclusive, of course - I have no doubt they can just up and add it any old time they want to - but it doesn't look positive.

Here's the THR story:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i07c80a70350aca7 269b65c4c5b987d11

Be interested to see if the movie picks up where the show left off somehow? Seems possible. I looked at the 5-min trailer on YouTube and there were some things that make it seem like it's playing a different ballgame than I had imagined when the movie was first announced.
M

Hey guys. I am (or was) a big fan of this show too. Looks like it might not be coming back? Fox just announced its Fall and midseason lineups and neither include Terminator. I don't think this is conclusive, of course - I have no doubt they can just up and add it any old time they want to - but it doesn't look positive.

Here's the THR story:

Linkyfied

Be interested to see if the movie picks up where the show left off somehow? Seems possible. I looked at the 5-min trailer on YouTube and there were some things that make it seem like it's playing a different ballgame than I had imagined when the movie was first announced.
M

Last I checked, not too long ago, the shows' status was in limbo. Probably waiting to see how the film did to judge the value of renewing it.

I'm a bit befuddled of what the show would be after the season 2 finale... But I would like to see more of it.

Hey guys. I am (or was) a big fan of this show too. Looks like it might not be coming back? Fox just announced its Fall and midseason lineups and neither include Terminator. I don't think this is conclusive, of course - I have no doubt they can just up and add it any old time they want to - but it doesn't look positive.

Here's the THR story:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i07c80a70350aca7 269b65c4c5b987d11

Be interested to see if the movie picks up where the show left off somehow? Seems possible. I looked at the 5-min trailer on YouTube and there were some things that make it seem like it's playing a different ballgame than I had imagined when the movie was first announced.
M

What worries me is that it says, plain as day in the article, that Terminator is cancelled. That's not a good sign.

What worries me is that it says, plain as day in the article, that Terminator is cancelled. That's not a good sign.

Just because I didn't read the article until Lathira mentioned this:

Rescued fan favorite "Dollhouse" returns on Fridays, but with a modest lead-in from new comedy "Brothers" and utility player "Til Death" that seems unlikely to reverse its ratings woes. (And, yes, "Terminator" is canceled).

Funny. That was added after I read the story. Gotta love the Interwebz...Ingsoc's wet dream.
M

Had to be 3rd edition, 4.0 is clearly a tool of Skynet to further it's

nefarious scheme's.

Has to be 3rd edition because a roll of 20 activated the vorpal on his vorpal sword, killing the monster instantly at the start of the encounter. (Should have required a confirmation roll, but you know that would have been a 20 as well.)

Edit: Maybe it was ADD 1e, I think Vorpals killed on 20 back then, no need to confirm.

Tom Carpenter wrote:

Had to be 3rd edition, 4.0 is clearly a tool of Skynet to further it's

nefarious scheme's.

Has to be 3rd edition because a roll of 20 activated the vorpal on his vorpal sword, killing the monster instantly at the start of the encounter. (Should have required a confirmation roll, but you know that would have been a 20 as well.)

Edit: Maybe it was ADD 1e, I think Vorpals killed on 20 back then, no need to confirm.

All of the above, and neither.

Scott Rouse admitted it was deliberate product placement... Somewhere over in the ENWorld forums.

IGN said yesterday that Terminator was canceled. Sorry and please don't beat me.

IGN said yesterday that Terminator was canceled. Sorry and please don't beat me.

No beatings. If anything this actually gives hope that maybe Dollhouse will be renewed. But you won't see me holding my breath over Fox. :-)

-DM Jeff

IGN said yesterday that Terminator was canceled. Sorry and please don't beat me.

That's sad news. I don't actually have TV, but I have the first season on DVD and was looking forward to getting (and watching) the second. Now I'm not sure I want to.

No beatings. If anything this actually gives hope that maybe Dollhouse will be renewed. But you won't see me holding my breath over Fox. :-)

-DM Jeff

I thought it was official that Dollhouse *was* renewed:

http://tv.ign.com/articles/984/984338p1.html

http://www.fox.com/futurefox/blogs/index.php/2009/05/18/dolls-remain-in-the -fox-house/

Yeah, Dollhouse is on the 09-10 schedule according to the THR story I linked above. Like you, though, I've given up on the idea that Fox has any interest in investing in good content for the long haul - they're interested solely in current ratings and seem happy to drop anything that's not winning *right now*.

I know times are tough but I wish programming execs could be a little visionary and say, "Wow, looks like people were interested in that concept (based on high inital ratings) but viewership has fallen off. What can we do to get things going the right direction? Maybe we could fire that one staff writer Jimmy Hirshberg who kind of sucks OR how about we get that woman that starred in xxx for a couple of shows?"

Sometimes shows take a bit to hit their stride and build up a following. All of the half-seasons and time-slot juggling that goes on these days makes it very difficult for good, long-running programming to evolve...and I think it leads to the writers creating ever escalating on-screen antics that causes shows to jump the shark much earlier than they used to.
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Fox has done what Skynet couldn't all these years - Terminated Sarah Connor.

Genova wrote:

IGN said yesterday that Terminator was canceled. Sorry and please don't beat me.

That's sad news. I don't actually have TV, but I have the first season on DVD and was looking forward to getting (and watching) the second. Now I'm not sure I want to.

Oh, I'd get it anyway. I thought the second season was much better than the first. And while I'm disappointed it was cancelled, I thought the last episode was a terrific finale.

Yeah. It is almost as if they were expecting to not get a third season.

When I watched the final episode I had the feeling that it was going to lead into the movie to some degree...

Oh, I'd get it anyway. I thought the second season was much better than the first. And while I'm disappointed it was cancelled, I thought the last episode was a terrific finale.

Oh good! In that case, I'll give it a shot.

I am a bit let down it was canceled but it was a great final

it's a shame that they canceled the series, the only one I watched on television

tough I got the feeling that the last episodes dragged on a bit

Finally finished watching the last few shows of the 2nd season, and wow!... I am so upset the show has been canceled.

Couple of things about the show...