Didn't see another thread about Captain America, so...

Anyway, here's a new bit about the apparent favorite for the role.

I've also heard that the plot will be WWII, Red Skull as the enemy, and that Cap starts off as a member of the USO.

not bad, I don't watch the office so I can't say one thing or the other about the guy other than I hope they make him blond like the charecter. It's a minor nit pickey issue but one that will help give him the "look" of the charecter. Cap is supposed to be big,buff,blond the whole mom and apple pie ideal when the charecter was first created.

They'd better get him to bulk the frak up.

And yes, I've heard Cap is to be a USO mascot. Insert retching here.

Yeah, I don't know about John K. He's a great actor, but he just doesn't fit the 'image' I have of Cap. Now, he *does* fit the image of Steve Rogers before the SuperSoldier serum...

I think, of all those on the short list, Scott Porter looks most like what Cap should look like.

And yes, I've heard Cap is to be a USO mascot. Insert retching here.

He's already in a series of free comics that are distributed to American troops in theater.

They'd better get him to bulk the frak up.

And yes, I've heard Cap is to be a USO mascot. Insert retching here.

Regarding the back-story...

From what I've read, after the Super-Soldier serum, he does fight in the war when needed, but between those missions he's paraded out with the USO. He doesn't like the stars & stripes uniform he's given, but sees that it does inspire the troops, so he 'mods' it to be battle ready (maybe like this?)

John Krasinski has to be one of the worst ideas I've ever seen. Hey, while we're at at, why not have Kevin James or Seth Rogen audition too?
/disgust

Ugh, why my head hurt?

Ugh, why my head hurt?

*hides frying pan*

I don't know...

Captain America is supposed to be a guy who doesn't only have incredible charisma but an imposing physique. Casting John Krasinski in this role would be like casting Brandon Routh as Superma...oh, crap.

Well, maybe we can get Christoph Waltz as Johann Schmidt (The Red Skull.) After his turn in Inglorious Basterds, I think he'd make a good Skull. That is, of course, as long as the part doesn't go to that fat guy from Lost.

You know who would have been great if he was younger. Anthony Michael Hall. Dude, when you saw him in Edward Scissorhands, don't tell me you didn't think, "What supersoldier stuff has this guy been taking?"

Not to mention Cap has the strength of charisma to stand up to all the other 'A-type' personalities in the Marvel universe. John K doesn't seem to have that going for him either.

Looks like the point's moot anyway...

Matthew Morris wrote:

And yes, I've heard Cap is to be a USO mascot. Insert retching here.

He's already in a series of free comics that are distributed to American troops in theater.

I don't have the link handy, but the draft mentioned in the Hollywood reporter says that the plot is/was after the super soldier serum worked and the creator was killed, Steve's solely put in the USO, as a mascot, because 'they don't want to lose him'. He's the one who sneaks out against orders and does the 'super-hero' thing.

I guess in that script, we didn't drop Little Boy because it was our only remaining nuke and we didn't want to use it...

And yes, the Ultimates Cap, and the outfit they show in 'Reborn' both would work for a WW II cap.

And please, I don't care who it offends, they have to have "Does this A on my forehead stand for France!?!"

Looks like the point's moot anyway...

Yeah, they had the same thing on SciFiWire. Looks like the entertainment news folks are getting into a he said/she said argument.

Still, I'm kind of happy they didn't settle on the guy from the office. I think that the expanded list has some good names on it - folks who could really do a good job.

Meh, we'll see.

Looks like the point's moot anyway...

I hope they don't go with Chris Evans. The suspension of disbeliefe will be harder that way. Kinda like when the cast James Marsden a Lois Lane's boyfriend. I kept wanting to know why he just didn't use his optic blasts to help Superman out.

The actor from Kings had a square-jawed apple-pie (secretly Aryan ubermenschen poster-child) wholesome look that might work for Cap.

That Office dude definitely doesn't have anything like the look, IMO. I've heard chatter about the dude who plays Awesome from Chuck getting a look as well, but he's way, way too thin, and I don't think he'd be able to bulk up believably.

As long as the Hoff doesn't play Nick Fury, I'm probably going to be fine with whoever they cast. The fact that I wouldn't have picked Tobey McGuire for Peter Parker, or even *thought* of Robert Downey, Jr. for Tony Stark is proof that I've got no business being in casting. :)

Then again, I wouldn't have cast Halle Berry as Storm, so perhaps it evens out...

As long as the Hoff doesn't play Nick Fury, I'm probably going to be fine with whoever they cast. The fact that I wouldn't have picked Tobey McGuire for Peter Parker, or even *thought* of Robert Downey, Jr. for Tony Stark is proof that I've got no business being in casting. :)

Don't worry

Matrix agent to be Captain America's Red Skull?

I'd say this choice gives me some hope.

Matrix agent to be Captain America's Red Skull?

I'd say this choice gives me some hope.

He'd do a good job, almost seems kind of cliche' to have him be the bad guy though.

The fact that I wouldn't have picked Tobey McGuire for Peter Parker...is proof that I've got no business being in casting. :)

That sounds more like you have more business in casting than some people who do it professionally. Spidey was poorly cast, poorly written, poorly directed, and poorly acted.

Set wrote:

The fact that I wouldn't have picked Tobey McGuire for Peter Parker...is proof that I've got no business being in casting. :)

That sounds more like you have more business in casting than some people who do it professionally. Spidey was poorly cast, poorly written, poorly directed, and poorly acted.

Don't hold back, tell us what you really think! ;-)

More seriously, I didn't feel that way about the first or second one (haven't seen 3)

Charlie Bell wrote:

Matthew Morris wrote:

And yes, I've heard Cap is to be a USO mascot. Insert retching here.

He's already in a series of free comics that are distributed to American troops in theater.

I don't have the link handy, but the draft mentioned in the Hollywood reporter says that the plot is/was after the super soldier serum worked and the creator was killed, Steve's solely put in the USO, as a mascot, because 'they don't want to lose him'. He's the one who sneaks out against orders and does the 'super-hero' thing.

I guess in that script, we didn't drop Little Boy because it was our only remaining nuke and we didn't want to use it...

And yes, the Ultimates Cap, and the outfit they show in 'Reborn' both would work for a WW II cap.

And please, I don't care who it offends, they have to have "Does this A on my forehead stand for France!?!"

Offensive, not so much. Incredibly dumb, that's a horse of a different color. Consider me a Cap fan who thinks Millar's Cap is a belligerent jerk.

Matthew Morris wrote:

Charlie Bell wrote:

Matthew Morris wrote:

And yes, I've heard Cap is to be a USO mascot. Insert retching here.

He's already in a series of free comics that are distributed to American troops in theater.

I don't have the link handy, but the draft mentioned in the Hollywood reporter says that the plot is/was after the super soldier serum worked and the creator was killed, Steve's solely put in the USO, as a mascot, because 'they don't want to lose him'. He's the one who sneaks out against orders and does the 'super-hero' thing.

I guess in that script, we didn't drop Little Boy because it was our only remaining nuke and we didn't want to use it...

And yes, the Ultimates Cap, and the outfit they show in 'Reborn' both would work for a WW II cap.

And please, I don't care who it offends, they have to have "Does this A on my forehead stand for France!?!"

Offensive, not so much. Incredibly dumb, that's a horse of a different color. Consider me a Cap fan who thinks Millar's Cap is a belligerent jerk.

Yeah, Millar's Cap strayed a little too far into neo-con caricatures.

winter_soldier wrote:

Matthew Morris wrote:

And please, I don't care who it offends, they have to have "Does this A on my forehead stand for France!?!"

Offensive, not so much. Incredibly dumb, that's a horse of a different color. Consider me a Cap fan who thinks Millar's Cap is a belligerent jerk.

Yeah, Millar's Cap strayed a little too far into neo-con caricatures.

Millar has made it pretty darn clear in interviews that he's not pro-America by any stretch of the imagination, and enjoyed splashing some dirt on America's symbol with the various jackbooted thug comments and scenes like that where Ulti-Cap would express contempt for American allies (or, in several cases, American government and American laws).

I'm sure he's laughing that some people saw that sort of thing as a 'kickass' gung-ho pro-American statement, when the non-American writer was enjoying 'taking the piss out of the colonials' by making Ulti-Cap act like a brownshirt.

Callous Jack wrote:

winter_soldier wrote:

Matthew Morris wrote:

And please, I don't care who it offends, they have to have "Does this A on my forehead stand for France!?!"

Offensive, not so much. Incredibly dumb, that's a horse of a different color. Consider me a Cap fan who thinks Millar's Cap is a belligerent jerk.

Yeah, Millar's Cap strayed a little too far into neo-con caricatures.

Millar has made it pretty darn clear in interviews that he's not pro-America by any stretch of the imagination, and enjoyed splashing some dirt on America's symbol with the various jackbooted thug comments and scenes like that where Ulti-Cap would express contempt for American allies (or, in several cases, American government and American laws).

I'm sure he's laughing that some people saw that sort of thing as a 'kickass' gung-ho pro-American statement, when the non-American writer was enjoying 'taking the piss out of the colonials' by making Ulti-Cap act like a brownshirt.

Which is a shame, Ulti-cap, more than 616-Cap should show 1940's sensabilities. I never read the ultimates, but the ultimate movies were good.

Then again I have a good amount of Radio age sensabilties myself, tempered by 90's awareness. When Justice League had the "You're a credit to your race, son," comment I understood it as an anachonistic compliment that was to make the 21st century view flinch. I also understood to Tom Turbine, it really was a compliment. It would be like a person from the 1890's saying "Well he's certainly gay enough." It's not a comment on the person's sexuality, it's a comment on how happy they are.

Like I've said elsewhere, I gave up on Cap when they really got into the bashing territory, but Cap is still my hero.

Edit, and given teh amount of French surrender jokes in the US, it was funny.

I'd prefer they do without the jingoism as well. I'm actually a big fan of John Walker (U.S. Agent,) but even he isn't usually as big a jerk as Ultimate Cap.

Edit, and given teh amount of French surrender jokes in the US, it was funny.

Less so, if your family is French, I say from experience.

I love U.S. Agent, on the other hand. He's *supposed* to act like that. He's the Guy Gardner of the Marvel Universe, the Archie Bunker, and his outrageous attitudes are part of his charm. U.S. Agent can bash France (or hippies, or commies, or queers) all he wants, and it's just because he's *supposed* to be some Falstaffian buffoon, not a symbol of American. Captain America is supposed to act *better* than that. He's not the Collective Man, informed by the will of the consensus, and if every single American turns into a goose-stepping jingoistic dittohead (and loses all sense of history), he should still be better than that.

Matthew Morris wrote:

Edit, and given teh amount of French surrender jokes in the US, it was funny.

Less so, if your family is French, I say from experience.

** spoiler omitted **

I love U.S. Agent, on the other hand. He's *supposed* to act like that. He's the Guy Gardner of the Marvel Universe, the Archie Bunker, and his outrageous attitudes are part of his charm. U.S. Agent can bash France (or hippies, or commies, or queers) all he wants, and it's just because he's *supposed* to be some Falstaffian buffoon, not a symbol of American. Captain America is supposed to act *better* than that. He's not the Collective Man, informed by the will of the consensus, and if every single American turns into a goose-stepping jingoistic dittohead (and loses all sense of history), he should still be better than that.

*Skipping the spoiler for the sake of not blowing things up.*

Well I think the difference between Ulti-cap and 616-Cap (sorry, bucky isn't cap and should have stayed dead. Steve Rogers is Cap, no matter who wears the uniform) is 616-Cap has been in modern times for, roughly, Timeline +10 years I think. So he's had time to acclimate to society. I also think Cap's leadership skills means he adapts faster.

Ulti-cap should be exhibiting the good and the bad of 1940's society. Admiring Ulti-Falcon's morals and work ethic, but still calling him 'son'. Not as a slur, but in a 1940's fashion. He should be holding the door for Jan, saying 'sir, ma'am' lamenting Elvis as being vulgar, shocked at PDA, not just at two women or men kissing, etc.

Ulti-cap should sever as an example of the 'greatest generation'. But that would require thought in writing. Apparently it is easier to spout jingonisitc phrases instead.

And yes, I've heard Cap is to be a USO mascot. Insert retching here.

Clip HERE.

Millar has made it pretty darn clear in interviews that he's not pro-America by any stretch of the imagination, and enjoyed splashing some dirt on America's symbol with the various jackbooted thug comments and scenes like that where Ulti-Cap would express contempt for American allies (or, in several cases, American government and American laws).

I'm sure he's laughing that some people saw that sort of thing as a 'kickass' gung-ho pro-American statement, when the non-American writer was enjoying 'taking the piss out of the colonials' by making Ulti-Cap act like a brownshirt.

Wow, I had no idea he was that big of a d-bag. Glad I don't buy any of his books...

Chris Evans offered role of Captain America (exclusive)

Not sure how true the article will turn out to be, but it is interesting.

Chris Evans offered role of Captain America (exclusive)

Not sure how true the article will turn out to be, but it is interesting.

He'd need to bulk up, but I will admit I liked him in the FF movies.

Looks like they've made a decision......

The search is over: Chris Evans IS Captain America!

I think the guy has potential. However, I also think the success of the movie will also depend greatly on the script and the villain, as well.

I think the guy has potential. However, I also think the success of the movie will also depend greatly on the script and the villain, as well.

Yup. Some villains (Doc Ock in Spidey 2, for instance) bring the whole movie up a level, while a weak or tired villain (Lex with yet another land-grab in Superman Returns) can drag a movie down.

The Red Skull is a hard one to peg. He could be over-the-top 'love-to-hate' or he could suck the excitement right out of the film.

Chris Evans doesn't really have the square jaw I associate with Cap (the Human Target guy, on the other hand, perfect!), but I'll get over it if he can act.

Hell, I accepted (and heartily approved!) a blonde Michelle Pfieffer as Catwoman!

Regarding Captain America and going with the popular tide of jingoism:

"Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right.

"This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences.

"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world--

"No. You move."

I don't mind Chris Evans as Cap toooo much(he was really good in Sunshine), but my problem is he was already the Human Torch in the FF films. As part of the audience, and an avid Marvel fan, it's going to really mess with my suspension of belief if I keep expecting him to "Flame On!". There should be a rule against playing multiple characters in the same universe.

I don't mind Chris Evans as Cap toooo much(he was really good in Sunshine), but my problem is he was already the Human Torch in the FF films. As part of the audience, and an avid Marvel fan, it's going to really mess with my suspension of belief if I keep expecting him to "Flame On!". There should be a rule against playing multiple characters in the same universe.

+1. This is the same problem I had with James Marsden being in Superman Returns. I kept expecting him to blast Lex with his optic blasts and save Superman's butt.

Maybe they could retrocon it so that Cap is the Great Grandfather of Sue and Johnny.

I'm usually okay with actors being recycled.

Probably the only recent jarring experience was Lord of the Rings.

Aragorn was Satan (from Prophecy), and Elrond was Agent Smith, and Magneto was Gandalf. I was thinking, 'Run, Frodo, run!' every time he met one of his allies!

I'm fine with Chris Evans, he was one of the few bright spots in those terrible FF movies. As for being in two Marvel movies...meh, it doesn't bother me that Christian Bale is John Connor and Bruce Wayne or that Mickey Rourke is Whiplash and Marv. I'm hoping Evans' Cap will be so different from the brash Human Torch that it won't even matter, that's his job to figure out how.

I'm fine with Chris Evans, he was one of the few bright spots in those terrible FF movies. As for being in two Marvel movies...meh, it doesn't bother me that Christian Bale is John Connor and Bruce Wayne or that Mickey Rourke is Whiplash and Marv. I'm hoping Evans' Cap will be so different from the brash Human Torch that it won't even matter, that's his job to figure out how.

But Christian Bale wasn't John Conners. Bruce Wayne changed his name because he knew the only way to survive in a world controlled by Skynet was to be named John Conners.

But Christian Bale wasn't John Conners. Bruce Wayne changed his name because he knew the only way to survive in a world controlled by Skynet was to be named John Conners.

Tie this in to The Prestige and American Psycho, and you've got a hit. :)

I'm usually okay with actors being recycled.

Probably the only recent jarring experience was Lord of the Rings.

Aragorn was Satan (from Prophecy), and Elrond was Agent Smith, and Magneto was Gandalf. I was thinking, 'Run, Frodo, run!' every time he met one of his allies!

But in LotR, the actors weren't recycled. All the movies you mentioned were completely different universes. The Fantastic Four and The Avengers exist in the same fictional plane, and have helped each other out on numerous occasions.

Given that a separate movie studio still holds the FF license, we won't have to worry about them sharing the screen with the Avengers any time soon. Dangit.

But Christian Bale wasn't John Conners. Bruce Wayne changed his name because he knew the only way to survive in a world controlled by Skynet was to be named John Conners.

I all makes sense now...

But in LotR, the actors weren't recycled. All the movies you mentioned were completely different universes. The Fantastic Four and The Avengers exist in the same fictional plane, and have helped each other out on numerous occasions.

The point is, if you can look past those movies with the same actors, you should be able to do the same with Evans/Cap.

On a side note, did your head explode when Lou Ferigno appeared in the hulk movies...?
;-)

On a side note, did your head explode when Lou Ferigno appeared in the hulk movies...?
;-)

No, actually I laughed my ass off. Unfortunately it grew back.

Callous Jack wrote:

On a side note, did your head explode when Lou Ferigno appeared in the hulk movies...?
;-)

No, actually I laughed my ass off. Unfortunately it grew back.

Cameos are always fun. Stan Lee appearing as Hugh Hefner in one the movies (was it a Iron Man?). Bruce 'Ash' Campbell appearing in all of the Spider-Man movies as different characters (including as the man who named Spiderman!).

The best was Stan Lee appearing as himself in Fantastic Four 2 and nobody believing him that he was Stan Lee.

Jandrem wrote:

But in LotR, the actors weren't recycled. All the movies you mentioned were completely different universes. The Fantastic Four and The Avengers exist in the same fictional plane, and have helped each other out on numerous occasions.

The point is, if you can look past those movies with the same actors, you should be able to do the same with Evans/Cap.

Two other points: The FF movies are supposedly going to be relaunched by Fox with a whole new cast. I believe Fox has the rights for another 5-6 years and then the franchise reverts back to Marvel/Disney who you know will relaunch it again with new actors.

On a side note, did your head explode when Lou Ferigno appeared in the hulk movies...?
;-)

A little bit, but I had heard about the cameo long before I saw the actual movie. I thought it was a great idea though; as a fan growing up with the original Hulk tv show, and having a Dad who is an old-school comics fanatic(his collection could pay for my house 4x over), I really like seeing nods to that kind of stuff.