Shuriken Nekogami wrote:

for the minkan god known as the nekogami. what are the favored weapon, domain list, and holy symbol? i assume the holy symbol will be false cat ears, favored weapon being climbing claws, and the domain list featuring trickery and darkness. which would be pretty awesome in the hands of a lawful evil god who governs all things feline, would postive or negative energy be channled? i hope for the former.

You could go with that, the rules support worshiping concepts with virtually any traits, though lawful evil automatically equates to channeling negative energy.

i think i will skip the whole cleric of the nekogami idea, further analysis showed nothing thematic for a descendant of the nekogami. the 2 thematic spells i was looking for can both be chosen as rogue talents and are quite versaitile. namely silent image and predstigitation.

i realized that the shortbow was a waste of 30 something gold pieces. there is no way to get sneak attack with a ranged weapon, and i plan on flanking anyway.

is it possible to get a full price refund on the shortbow and the arrows?

it is awfully difficult to appear nonthreatening with one. even with the paper umbrella sheathe. if i get rid of the thing, i won't need to take quick draw to mitigate the issue of using it. because it wouldn't be there.

also do you allow illusory creatures to flank? at least as long as no one finds out that they are illusory?

spellcasting classes aren't really worth the dip.

is it possible to get a full price refund on the shortbow and the arrows?

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also do you allow illusory creatures to flank? at least as long as no one finds out that they are illusory?

You've not used your equipment yet, so I'll let you switch it out. As for flanking illusions, the enemy would get a save against the illusion to determine that... but in any case, you're in a party of 8, flanking isn't going to be difficult for you.

Shuriken Nekogami wrote:

is it possible to get a full price refund on the shortbow and the arrows?

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also do you allow illusory creatures to flank? at least as long as no one finds out that they are illusory?

You've not used your equipment yet, so I'll let you switch it out. As for flanking illusions, the enemy would get a save against the illusion to determine that... but in any case, you're in a party of 8, flanking isn't going to be difficult for you.

thank you for both the chance at a refund and the news of flanking parters, what other uses does silent image have that fit the Nekogami feel? oh wait, concentating on the illusions denies me a chance to strike, so what is the point? the predestigitation is useful though.

i realized that the shortbow was a waste of 30 something gold pieces. there is no way to get sneak attack with a ranged weapon, and i plan on flanking anyway.

is it possible to get a full price refund on the shortbow and the arrows?

it is awfully difficult to appear nonthreatening with one. even with the paper umbrella sheathe. if i get rid of the thing, i won't need to take quick draw to mitigate the issue of using it. because it wouldn't be there.

Actually, as long as you're within 30' of your target, you can use Sneak Attack.

Sneak Attack: If a rogue can catch an opponent when he is unable to defend himself effectively from her attack, she can strike a vital spot for extra damage.

The rogue’s attack deals extra damage anytime her target would be denied a Dexterity bonus to AC (whether the target actually has a Dexterity bonus or not), or when the rogue f lanks her target. This extra damage is 1d6 at 1st level, and increases by 1d6 every two rogue levels thereafter. Should the rogue score a critical hit with a sneak attack, this extra damage is not multiplied. Ranged attacks can count as sneak attacks only if the target is within 30 feet.

spellcasting classes aren't really worth the dip.

I like to dip... :)

To expound on the ranged sneak attacking: If you are successfully hidden (a move action and requires something to hide behind), if you go first in initiative the first round (or at least before the thing you're attacking), if the target was hit by Hold Person... those are all good ways to get your sneak attack damage. Generally, you'll do damage in melee, but you're then exposed to taking damage yourself.

Also, don't forget that you can flank at reach, but not with a ranged weapon, because you have to threaten a square in order to flank. The reason illusions can't flank is that you have to threaten to flank, and you have to be able to make a melee attack to threaten. Therefore, illusions that can't attack can't threaten or flank. It's up to the DM, but that's the rules base for it.

Also, don't forget that you can flank at reach, but not with a ranged weapon, because you have to threaten a square in order to flank. The reason illusions can't flank is that you have to threaten to flank, and you have to be able to make a melee attack to threaten. Therefore, illusions that can't attack can't threaten or flank. It's up to the DM, but that's the rules base for it.

I'm of the opinion that illusions can make melee (touch) attacks, but if they actually hit, then they are automatically disbelieved. I don't like the idea that you somehow mystically know that the illusion (that you believe,) of a hulking barbarian doesn't threaten you.

Castarr4 wrote:

Also, don't forget that you can flank at reach, but not with a ranged weapon, because you have to threaten a square in order to flank. The reason illusions can't flank is that you have to threaten to flank, and you have to be able to make a melee attack to threaten. Therefore, illusions that can't attack can't threaten or flank. It's up to the DM, but that's the rules base for it.

I'm of the opinion that illusions can make melee (touch) attacks, but if they actually hit, then they are automatically disbelieved. I don't like the idea that you somehow mystically know that the illusion (that you believe,) of a hulking barbarian doesn't threaten you.

the ilusion of a hulking barbarian who threatens by standing in flank position and gives an intimidating glare. occasionally doing nonverbal dazzling displays of muscle flexing with the biggest muscles that the strongest medium humanoids would have. now the thought of it would be threatening. the barbarian keeps intimidating through glaring and flexing his huge hulking muscles. one scary barbarian.

OK I'm almost done reading, but it's time for bed. Should be finished and ready to start posting tommorrow. Sorry again for the delay.

Sigil: I've just had another look, and you still only seem to have 5 skill points, if you're using your favoured class for another point, you should have 7 including the one from being human. Also, where are you getting the racial bonus to perception... as a dragon blooded sorcerer, it becomes a class skill (+3 once you have ranks), but there aren't any racial bonuses I can see. (The other skills you should currently have a +3 bonus from being a class skill are Bluff and Intimidate).

I think I nailed it this time... Sorry for the mix-ups!

The racial bonus was for being human. I changed the wording to be more clear. I also put a point for my favored class into perception, but I am wondering now if adding that, and the point for being human to my perception, on top of a regular skill point is not allowed. :S

Sigil,

Regardless of where the skill point comes from, racial, favoured, or just class, you can only have a rank = to your HD

So at 1st level you are only able to have 1 rank in any skill.

Hope that clarifies it for you!

I had a tough time with it at first too

Sigil,

Regardless of where the skill point comes from, racial, favoured, or just class, you can only have a rank = to your HD

So at 1st level you are only able to have 1 rank in any skill.

Hope that clarifies it for you!

I had a tough time with it at first too

Thanks! :#)

I have made it so only only one rank is i9n any one skill. Of course this alters my knowledge arcana check, but with a natuarl 1 I am guessing that does not matter. :)

Thnak you again!

Looks good now, Sigil. I'm fine with your 'electric charge', but since it's electrical damage, I'm going to say that the school is evocation, and therefore it will allow spell resistance.

I'm not sure why you are listing second level spell slots, until you gain a number of slots at a particular level (at least 0, rather than -), then you don't get bonus spell slots for that level.

I am more comfortable with that being an evocation spell. Thanks. I just did not want to make things too complicated.

Thank for letting me "tweak" for flavor.

ugh... I've been violently ill for the last 2 days, so sorry I haven't been on. I'll make my first post this afternoon after I have a moment to read the last page since I was sick.

Sorry Guys for my stuffing you around. :(

ugh... I've been violently ill for the last 2 days, so sorry I haven't been on. I'll make my first psot this after noon after I have a moment to read the last page since I was sick.

Sorry Guys for my stuffing you around. :(

How dare you stuff us! Stuff you! :P

flash_cxxi wrote:

ugh... I've been violently ill for the last 2 days, so sorry I haven't been on. I'll make my first psot this after noon after I have a moment to read the last page since I was sick.

Sorry Guys for my stuffing you around. :(

How dare you stuff us! Stuff you! :P

I'm fine with it, flash, are you
feeling better? Hope you're ok :)

Yeah I'm OK now. My 4 year old and I basically tag team vomited from 11pm (my first one) Thursday night until 6.30am (my last one) Friday morning. She woke up at 7am feeling fine and I woke up at 12pm feeling like I'd been hit by a bus. :/

And I'm ready to go Calix. So just let me know when you want me in (after this test or whether you want me to turn up late and take part in this test).

Sorry again for my delays.

I've just introduced you to the IC thread, we can assume that you've come straight from your meeting with Ambrus to explain why you're being excused from the tests you've already missed.

Cool, thanks. :D

Flash, I just noticed that you've got a 'Ranged' entry for your bonded object... are you sure that's wise? :P

Flash, I just noticed that you've got a 'Ranged' entry for your bonded object... are you sure that's wise? :P

lol... probably not, but desperate times may call for desperate measures. Plus I figure one of the first enchantments that she'll get put on it will be the Returning property. :)

ugh... sorry for my absence guys... I've not had a chance to even look at Paizo for the last couple of days. Work has been kicking my arse. :(

I've been working a couple of 10 hour days, which normally wouldn't bother me, but the air con at work is broken and working 10 hrs in 35 degree (celcius) heat has left me totally drained at the end of the day and I've not had the energy to do much at all (plus the fact I have a 4 and 2 year old wanting to run me ragged when I get home).
I'll try and get an update up tonight after the kids are in bed.

Sorry again.

ugh... sorry for my absence guys... I've not had a chance to even look at Paizo for the last couple of days. Work has been kicking my arse. :(

Sorry again.

No problem, flash. We're just busy getting wet. :) Sorry to hear work has been kicking your ass. Where are you that it's so hot?

Once the tests are over, I'll have a couple of decisions for you to make, so you can discuss them while I'm away if you like.

Firstly, eight people is a bit of a large group for an actual adventure when you're posting as often as you are, so I'm thinking of going for two groups of four.

Rather than split you arbitrarily and permanently, I'm thinking that the groups don't need to be fixed; between 'chapters' when your all in the grand lodge, or other times both groups are together, I'll post a joint thread for you to interact in, and you can even switch between groups at those points. How does this sound to you?

Secondly, I was wondering how many of you were interested enough in the day to day life of an initiate that you don't want to fast-forward to your confirmation? If four want to fast-forward and four don't, I guess that's a good way to decide the two groups, otherwise it's up to you.

Yea if splitting the group makes it easier for you, thats fine with me, and it would be cool to switch up between chapters. Otherwise I'm for whatever.

I'm up for whatever

The good thing is that we have enough of certain types to split between the two possible groups, like Garion and Daryan are both clerics so we could have both groups covered with healers. Samant and I are more hand to hand oriented so we can act as protectors for our casters, etc.

Calix: what do you mean by the initiate day-to-day life stuff?

I m all for splitting the group so things run faster!
Me like u guys may have seen I have a lot more free time in the week (i tend to get gigs on the weekend a lot, or just end up partying then!) and usually more afternoons (well not always: depends when i get up!). unless i m travellin 4 work i m talking montreal time btw!

Calix: what do you mean by the initiate day-to-day life stuff?

I m all for splitting the group so things run faster!
Me like u guys may have seen I have a lot more free time in the week (i tend to get gigs on the weekend a lot, or just end up partying then!) and usually more afternoons (well not always: depends when i get up!). unless i m travellin 4 work i m talking montreal time btw!

Yea weekdays are always best for me, since I can post at work, and weekends are a bit more difficult since the weather just got better and it's not cold any more :)

lets see what the others have to say! :-)
i hope we get a great exciting adventure going! :-)

I'm up for splitting the party, and I really like your idea of the interchangeable groups. Odds are fairly good I'd never end up in a party with Garion, but that's okay (nothing against Garion, it'd just be redundant). I feel that most of my curiosity about the life of an initiate has been sated by reading Seekers of Secrets, which I started reading once I found this pbp. I'd be okay with skipping ahead.
(Daryan)

I like the large party but I don't mind splitting up as long as we can occasionally get together in a group. I think skipping the initiation is fine.

I ve been asked by Wicked Games to test some of their new templates (you can fill them on your computer). I asked the company if it was OK that I also share them with the guys in my group. They said yes.

so anyone that will be in my group will get those 4 free if you want(its totally OK if you dont want to of course! NO big deal!). the only thing if u say yes is:
- please keep them for you only
- you have to do a lil honest review about the templates (like, dont like, what works, what doesnt, etc)

like I say me i m for splitting up the group cuz i really LOVE when things move along!

Like we needed another reason to want to be in Nik's group.

:)

Giggle I know! I Know! I can come up real SHORT on charm most of the time!
I need 2 bribe people into playing with me! giggle

I've arrived, and it seems that I won't be completely without internet access over the weekend so I'll be able to check in occasionally.

Calix: what do you mean by the initiate day-to-day life stuff?

Once you're accepted into the Pathfinder Society, you undergo a period of training, which usually takes somewhere between a year and three years, during which most of your belongings are put into storage. The training consists of lessons, and lots and lots of menial duties such as cleaning, guard duty, filing, etc.

At the end of your training, you're assigned a final test, or "confirmation", usually this would be an individual assignment, but I'll be giving one slightly larger task to each group of four.

Seekers of Secrets has lots of detail.

I would rather skip the initiation then!
i like the thrill of adventure when there is REAL consequences! to be out there in the real-fantasy world! :-)

No Internet for an ENTIRE weekend? does that still exist? giggle
Kiddin of course, have a GREAT time Calix!

It happened last week, it was horrible!

Yeah, I think we can skip over the initiation years. Maybe a couple of percentage rolls to see if anything memorable happens to each of us.

well in my case it turns out OK that its on the week end you lose your internet! :-)
Selfish selfish me!

Yeah, I think we can skip over the initiation years. Maybe a couple of percentage rolls to see if anything memorable happens to each of us.

The only thing TRULY memorable will probably be the graduation PARTY NIK will throw! and remember guys:

normanak wrote:

Yeah, I think we can skip over the initiation years. Maybe a couple of percentage rolls to see if anything memorable happens to each of us.

The only thing TRULY memorable will probably be the graduation PARTY NIK will throw! and remember guys:

what happens in Absolom ... stays in Absolom! giggle

Discretion is my 2nd favorite word...

Dare we ask what your favorite word is?

I was about 2 ask the SAME thing! :-)

Only if you dont mind having your MIND blown...
<Looks around shifty eyed and paranoid>

So, we have two clerics, Garion and Daryan, two arcane casters, Sabine and Zeldin, two rogues, Nik and Shuriken and two fighters, Alexian and Samant. Correct? That makes for an easy 2-way split, anyway.