Now that is an ugly dwarf, NF!

Now that is an ugly dwarf, NF!

That's part of his background. He survived the fall of his clan's citadel and he has suffered wounds to the head and face.

You're probably looking for the Intimidating Prowess feat (actually, you're not looking for it, but it's nevertheless as close as you're going to get) - it would convert your -3 into a +1 before skill ranks are added in.

Bombur starts with 4 hero points (one per level and one bonus for Kai's heroic death). Also he starts with 1500 gold worth of equipment.

I put the hero point post in my profile as requested. Note that you can spend 5 points to get an extra standard action. Don't know how many Mahaffy has left, but he might want to spend some trying to finally cut the giant down (adding to the attack roll or re-rolling a miss).

I put the hero point post in my profile as requested.

Thank you, sir!

Hey, thanks all for another great and exciting battle. I'm sorry to be so hard on you - or not, har har. But I've learned that PBP battles need to be on a grand scale to be interesting. At least you can probably sell the broom and buy some half decent equipment for you.

Let's see what fate has in store for our intrepid adventurers in Seahill.

And of course go ahead and level up if you have got enough xp.

Tom, can I buy repeating crossbow? What about alchemical compounds? I'll write my background today and I'm finished.

Tom, can I buy repeating crossbow? What about alchemical compounds? I'll write my background today and I'm finished.

Shouldn't be a problem as long as you can afford it. For some reason my campaigns are always very stingy with treasure (hence the half starting gold). But repeating crossbows and alchemical compounds are readily available. Maybe Mahaffy will want some too.

Tom, is it possible to manufacture masterwork repeating crossbow with strength bonus, like a composite bow, and how much would it cost? I would like to have range weapon that will use my strength, but I don't want to go with bow, because I feel it would not be thematically okay.

Tom, is it possible to manufacture masterwork repeating crossbow with strength bonus, like a composite bow, and how much would it cost? I would like to have range weapon that will use my strength, but I don't want to go with bow, because I feel it would not be thematically okay.

Crossbows do not get a strength bonus. If you want a ranged weapon that will take advantage of your strength I suggest throwing axes. Or see if you can get Lyria to cast Magic Stone for you.

nightflier wrote:

Tom, is it possible to manufacture masterwork repeating crossbow with strength bonus, like a composite bow, and how much would it cost? I would like to have range weapon that will use my strength, but I don't want to go with bow, because I feel it would not be thematically okay.

Crossbows do not get a strength bonus. If you want a ranged weapon that will take advantage of your strength I suggest throwing axes. Or see if you can get Lyria to cast Magic Stone for you.

Yes, I know that crossbows do not get strength bonus. And I intend to buy some throwing axes. But I am interested if there is a possibility to make a crossbow that gets strength bonus. Mechanically speaking, you just have to use composite materials for the bow part of the crossbow and some mechanism instead of the goat foot. But you are the boss either way.

BT, I am burning 3 HP to get two rolls for Artival's third level hit points. Here are the rolls:

2d6 ⇒ (4, 1) = 5

So he gets 4 hp before Con and favored class bonus.

Black Tom wrote:

nightflier wrote:

Tom, is it possible to manufacture masterwork repeating crossbow with strength bonus, like a composite bow, and how much would it cost? I would like to have range weapon that will use my strength, but I don't want to go with bow, because I feel it would not be thematically okay.

Crossbows do not get a strength bonus. If you want a ranged weapon that will take advantage of your strength I suggest throwing axes. Or see if you can get Lyria to cast Magic Stone for you.

Yes, I know that crossbows do not get strength bonus. And I intend to buy some throwing axes. But I am interested if there is a possibility to make a crossbow that gets strength bonus. Mechanically speaking, you just have to use composite materials for the bow part of the crossbow and some mechanism instead of the goat foot. But you are the boss either way.

Yes, I know that I am the boss. I apologize for not making myself clearer. The answer is no.

Well, then. My character is done.

Using 3 Hero Points to reroll HP at 3rd level:
2d8 ⇒ (5, 3) = 8

Well, then. My character is done.

Couple of comments from the peanut gallery: looks like your damage with both your axes is too high - used two-handed, the dwarven waraxe should be 1d10+6 damage (at least until you get Weapon Specialization next level), and you can't use a throwing axe two-handed because it's a light weapon, so it should be 1d6+4.

Also, I haven't done the math on how much gear you've got total, but is there a reason why you want a crossbow over a longbow? A masterwork composite (+4) longbow is 800 gp, a sizable but not overwhelming sum for a 3rd level character, even at half gold. Alternatively, given your Dex score, you might see what Black Tom thinks of the Brutal Throw feat (from Complete Adventurer) - he has occasionally allowed 3.5 material before.

Finally, I think you're a feat short. You should have 2 from fighter levels and 2 from hit dice.

Bombur Stonefist wrote:

Well, then. My character is done.

Couple of comments from the peanut gallery: looks like your damage with both your axes is too high - used two-handed, the dwarven waraxe should be 1d10+6 damage (at least until you get Weapon Specialization next level), and you can't use a throwing axe two-handed because it's a light weapon, so it should be 1d6+4.

Also, I haven't done the math on how much gear you've got total, but is there a reason why you want a crossbow over a longbow? A masterwork composite (+4) longbow is 800 gp, a sizable but not overwhelming sum for a 3rd level character, even at half gold. Alternatively, given your Dex score, you might see what Black Tom thinks of the Brutal Throw feat (from Complete Adventurer) - he has occasionally allowed 3.5 material before.

Finally, I think you're a feat short. You should have 2 from fighter levels and 2 from hit dice.

You are probably right. My fever broke, but I am still weak as a kitten, so it is very probable that I made some mistakes. And yes, I just realized that I thought that my strength score is 20. I'll change that in the morning. And the reason why i want crossbow is just fluff. My goal was to create a dwarf professional soldier and it seemed silly to me for dwarf to have a longbow.

You are probably right. My fever broke, but I am still weak as a kitten, so it is very probable that I made some mistakes. And yes, I just realized that I thought that my strength score is 20. I'll change that in the morning. And the reason why i want crossbow is just fluff. My goal was to create a dwarf professional soldier and it seemed silly to me for dwarf to have a longbow.

Personally, I never understood why crossbows couldn't be strength too but I understand wanting to stay with the official rules on it also. Dwarf professional soldier sounds cool.

nightflier wrote:

You are probably right. My fever broke, but I am still weak as a kitten, so it is very probable that I made some mistakes. And yes, I just realized that I thought that my strength score is 20. I'll change that in the morning. And the reason why i want crossbow is just fluff. My goal was to create a dwarf professional soldier and it seemed silly to me for dwarf to have a longbow.

Personally, I never understood why crossbows couldn't be strength too but I understand wanting to stay with the official rules on it also. Dwarf professional soldier sounds cool.

Well, historically speaking, you need to be pretty strong as well to use goat foot crossbow with the same pull as a long bow. But that doesn't matter, really.

That depends of the kind of crossbow you are speaking of

The earliest one were armed by the leg and not by the arm . As the strength of the leg is greater than the one of the arm , it was easier to find people who could use it . The other difference is that with a bow you have to use it as soon as it is drawn while you could take 2 minutes to draw a crossbow and it will stay so until discharged .

That depends of the kind of crossbow you are speaking of

The earliest one were armed by the leg and not by the arm . As the strength of the leg is greater than the one of the arm , it was easier to find people who could use it . The other difference is that with a bow you have to use it as soon as it is drawn while you could take 2 minutes to draw a crossbow and it will stay so until discharged .

Or we can say that this is fantasy world and that repeating crossbow has a winding mechanism that requires certain strength in order to pull steel bow of the crossbow. But the master has spoken. Either way, I don't think I'll use it that much. It's just for fluff.

Nightflier, you can go ahead and make your introductions. The rest of you need to decide whether to sell the broom or not and what you want to buy if you do.

I'll be away from Saturday to Wednesday, so there will probably be a short hiatus. While I'll probably be able to log in and answer questions, I won't have my books. New adventure will start late Wednesday. I hope you can finish your purchases and levelling up before then.

Keeping the broom : Vote For: 1 , Vote against: 0 , Does not care 0 ...
Your turn ...

I agree that we should sell the broom if we are going to try to be equitable about the split. Granted, it would be a boon to keep it, but only for one person (maybe two? halflings?) at a time.

We seem to have only one dissenter to the idea. Do we have a majority in favor of selling?

If so, what does your character want? A cloak of resistance is not a bad idea. An amulet of natural armor or bracers of armor might be good for some. Scrolls via Rihanna are a great idea -- Roylenna will definitely take her up on that offer.

Keeping the broom : Vote For: 1 , Vote against: 0 , Does not care 0 ...

Your turn ...

Actually, the count (from the other thread) is:

Keep the broom: 1
Sell the broom: 4
We have a broom? 1

We have a broom? 1

lol, I'm guessing that's me.

AinvarG wrote:

We have a broom? 1

lol, I'm guessing that's me.

LOL, you'd be guessing right.

ok let's sell it then but I can't help thinking this is a BIG mistake .

ok let's sell it then but I can't help thinking this is a BIG mistake .

I would like nothing more than having our mages taking turns as flying artillery platforms, but it's not very fair to have all of our treasure wrapped up on a single item -- Ka'kara needs armor, it would be good for her to have a magical weapon, we have been susceptible to failed saves, etc. Flight is not typically available at this level, so hopefully we'll be able to come back and buy it back later. (Yeah, I don't think so, either.)

I think the problem was here ? you thought of it as an item which would only benefit one mage , I did not .
By example , if we had had a river to cross we would have been able to all use it since the broom can be sent back riderless .
Moot point , the majority has spoken .

I think the problem was here ? you thought of it as an item which would only benefit one mage , I did not .

By example , if we had had a river to cross we would have been able to all use it since the broom can be sent back riderless .
Moot point , the majority has spoken .

Not having any experience with flying brooms, real or imaginary, I was unaware that you could give it commands to fly on its own. I can be swayed into keeping it, but I really think we should provide better (or some) armor to our warriors. This is our first real opportunity to do so.

Roylenna would be fine with spending a small portion of a share on Rhianna's costs for scrolls and let the majority of the money go towards armor and weapons for our barbarian princess and dwarven rogue. I don't know what our cleric might want, but scrolls might not be a bad idea for her, too -- or a bandelier of healing potions to free up her spell slots for spells other than healing.

We have seven active characters at this time, not counting the newly-introduced Bombur, correct? That would give us over a 1200 gp each, enough for +1 armor for our front line. If the spellcasters (just a thought) take a smaller share for scrolls that we create in-group, we might be able to afford a +1 weapon or +2 armor for someone, also.

First buy should be a wand of cute lights wounds
Second buy : either a magic weapon or a special metal weapon

Mahaffy has absolutely no problem letting his share of the money going to Kaka'ra or Roylenna.

Hm, it probably was a bad move to announce my absence. But maybe you need a break. Let's just say that if you want to buy anything you'll have to state it before Wednesday. Then we'll be moving on, with or without equipment.

Hm, it probably was a bad move to announce my absence. But maybe you need a break. Let's just say that if you want to buy anything you'll have to state it before Wednesday. Then we'll be moving on, with or without equipment.

I suspect the lack of posting was not due to your announcement. Robin and I have stated our thoughts for new gear, though, so I think we need more input to proceed.

Along the lines of scrolls that can be generated, Rhianna, what's on the menu? What did you have in mind regarding spell level, also? IOW, are you only willing to take enough time to scribe 1st-level spells? I'm not picky, just want to know Roylenna's options.

Was waiting to see what everyone wanted to do since Ka'kara is pretty flexible on these matters. IMHO, armor for Ka'kara is not a great investment since she sabotages her AC so frequently with charges and cleaves. Giving her a -2 to a -4 to her AC. So even with a breastplate she would end up having a 12 to 14 AC each round normally (not exactly hard to hit). Plus any heavier armor starts slowing her down and giving negatives to her skill checks. Sure, a mithral breastplate would solve all of this but it would run 4,200 (or 5,200 for a +1 - Yay, 17 AC!). When we have money to burn (hint, hint BT :) she will definitely pick one up. I think a better plan is for her to use her reach weaponry over the more heavily armored folks (yes, I know she is fast and tends to charge into combat but she does listen to reason.....mostly). With Roylenna's Enlarge spell and her long-spear she has a crazy reach of 20' feet! I am also concerned about us not having a magic weapon of any sort. Things with DR are going to start giving us a hard time. Usually, she can overcome DR through just sheer overpowering damage so a magic weapon would be more useful in the hands of those who do less but still get into melee (not that it wouldn't end up benefiting her too, just sayin :) She's got 250 gp stashed away at the moment. So about 1500 to spend from just her share.

Ka'kara's wish list:
+1 Mithral Breastplate (5,200 gp)
+1 Ring of Protection (2,000 gp}
+1 Great-sword (2,000 gp)
+1 Cloak of Resistance (1,000 gp)
Belt of Strength +2 (4,000 gp)
+1 Amulet of Natural Armor (4,000 gp)

I agree the the above post. At third and 4th levels, we need at least a couple +1 weapons in the party or we could be in for something dire.

Ka'kara's wish list:

+1 Mithral Breastplate (5,200 gp)
+1 Ring of Protection (2,000 gp}
+1 Great-sword (2,000 gp)
+1 Cloak of Resistance (1,000 gp)
Belt of Strength +2 (4,000 gp)
+1 Amulet of Natural Armor (4,000 gp)

For the relative cost and benefit of a masterwork mithral breastplate vs. an amulet of natural armor, I think the armor wins easily. A magical weapon makes a lot of sense, too.

robin's suggestion of a wand of cure light wound is valid, but I'm not sure wands are available -- we might need to purchase scrolls or potions in its place.

I'm not sure a wand of cure light wounds would make such a difference while in combat. 1d8 heals aren't worth a standard action when monsters hit for 20ish. In any case, Lyria is now 3rd level, which means she has both level 2 healing spells, and the area of effect channel energy (7 times per day, 2d6 heal) which would probably help much better than such a wand.

For me - I believe +ac or +saves are the best options now, especially for the first liners which would and should take the brunt of most attacks (and not Ka'kara, if I understood Dark Arioch's meaning right).

OK, time's running out. Tomorrow I get home and then I'll get the ball rolling. If you haven't gotten your equipment in order buy then, it will have to wait until you get to Thunderhold.

My first vote is for a mithral breastplate for Ka'kara (we can have it magicked up later when we have more cash to go around). After that, I'd like to see us invest in Rhianna's scroll-scribing activities (whatever she's able to do and willing to do during our layover - as long as it's 1st- or 2nd-level, it should be within Roylenna's abilities.) Then balance out the cash with cloaks of resistance.

Very, very rough numbers:

4200 Mithral Breastplate
4000 Cloak of Resistance +1 (4 of these)
100 for Scroll materials (+ whatever the spellcasters contribute personally -- Roylenna has some to use here)

My second vote is more like this:

1100 Mithral Chain Shirt (Ka'kara)
2350 Greatsword +1 (Ka'kara)
2310 Battleaxe +1 (Mahaffy)
2000 Cloak of Resistance +1 (2 of these)
540 Scroll materials and minor potions (?)

After looking at this, I think my favorite might be #2. The armor improvement is almost as good for Ka'kara, but we gain a pair of magic weapons in the party.

Aye? Nay?

Aye for simplification

Aye

Very, very rough numbers:

4200 Mithral Breastplate
4000 Cloak of Resistance +1 (4 of these)
100 for Scroll materials (+ whatever the spellcasters contribute personally -- Roylenna has some to use here)

My second vote is more like this:

1100 Mithral Chain Shirt (Ka'kara)
2350 Greatsword +1 (Ka'kara)
2310 Battleaxe +1 (Mahaffy)
2000 Cloak of Resistance +1 (2 of these)
540 Scroll materials and minor potions (?)

After looking at this, I think my favorite might be #2. The armor improvement is almost as good for Ka'kara, but we gain a pair of magic weapons in the party.

Aye? Nay?

Ok, if we go with option 2 than I would suggest forgetting the Mithral chain shirt (It really only gives her +1 AC over what she has now and the mithral aspect is pretty much wasted on light armor). Secondly, she already has a masterwork greatsword that can be enchanted, so that saves 350 gp right there (is Mahaffy's battleaxe already MW?). So that would be 1990 gp (could still get 2 extra Cloaks of Resistance). Or instead of the chain shirt just pick up a Ring of Protection +1 (same game effect as the chain shirt but I can go the mithral breastplate later and they stack). Where the money comes from for the ring? 1,100 (chain shirt) + 350 (unneeded for +1 great-sword) + 250 (Ka'kara already has) + 300 (from the scroll materials and minor potions fund).

Ok, if we go with option 2 than I would suggest forgetting the Mithral chain shirt (It really only gives her +1 AC over what she has now and the mithral aspect is pretty much wasted on light armor). Secondly, she already has a masterwork greatsword that can be enchanted, so that saves 350 gp right there (is Mahaffy's battleaxe already MW?). So that would be 1990 gp (could still get 2 extra Cloaks of Resistance). Or instead of the chain shirt just pick up a Ring of Protection +1 (same game effect as the chain shirt but I can go the mithral breastplate later and they stack). Where the money comes from for the ring? 1,100 (chain shirt) + 350 (unneeded for +1 great-sword) + 250 (Ka'kara already has) + 300 (from the scroll materials and minor potions fund).

Now we're talking!

OK, I didn't realize Ka'kara had _any_ armor based on previous discussions and didn't take the time to look. Sorry 'bout that.

2000 gp (Enchant Ka'kara's greatsword)
2310 gp (Magic battle axe for Mahaffy - his does not appear to be MW)
1750 gp (Ring of Protection +1 - Ka'kara with her 250 gp)
2000 gp (Cloak of Protection +1, two of these)
240 gp (Scroll materials and minor potions fund)

Another vote: Aye or Nay or Comments, please!

EDIT: Added the overlooked cloaks

2000 gp (Enchant Ka'kara's greatsword)
2310 gp (Magic battle axe for Mahaffy - his does not appear to be MW)
Aggreed

1990 gp for the others to share

Now we're talking!

OK, I didn't realize Ka'kara had _any_ armor based on previous discussions and didn't take the time to look. Sorry 'bout that.

2000 gp (Enchant Ka'kara's greatsword)
2310 gp (Magic battle axe for Mahaffy - his does not appear to be MW)
1750 gp (Ring of Protection - Ka'kara with her 250 gp)
240 gp (Scroll materials and minor potions fund)

Another vote: Aye or Nay or Comments, please!

You left off the 2 +1 cloaks of protection. You can still afford them.

I'll vote with the party on the purchases.

AinvarG wrote:

Now we're talking!

OK, I didn't realize Ka'kara had _any_ armor based on previous discussions and didn't take the time to look. Sorry 'bout that.

2000 gp (Enchant Ka'kara's greatsword)
2310 gp (Magic battle axe for Mahaffy - his does not appear to be MW)
1750 gp (Ring of Protection - Ka'kara with her 250 gp)
240 gp (Scroll materials and minor potions fund)

Another vote: Aye or Nay or Comments, please!

You left off the 2 +1 cloaks of protection. You can still afford them.

D'oh! Corrected the earlier post accordingly.

And it looks to be that we are shorting ourselves 200gp (it should add up to 8,500 gp right?). Right now, It adds up to 8,300 gp.

The barbarianess shakes her head and corrects Lenna's math ;)

And it looks to be that we are shorting ourselves 200gp (it should add up to 8,500 gp right?). Right now, It adds up to 8,300 gp.

The barbarianess shakes her head and corrects Lenna's math ;)

I swear I saw 8300 gp was the sale price somewhere. The arithmetic was correct for what I thought we were getting. Sorry, all.

With a toss of her white-blonde hair, Roylenna tells the lady barbarian, "I never had to be very good at math, I doubt I will start now." With that, she winks and smiles.