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brent norton, Thu, May 14, 2009, 04:08 PM

Should be a good episode tonight...

Db3's Astral Projection, Thu, May 14, 2009, 04:12 PM

brent norton wrote:

Should be a good episode tonight...

'Lucifer Rising'. Yeah, it's gonna be awesome! :)

joela, Thu, May 14, 2009, 04:21 PM

There's suppose to be an rpg based on the show and other mediums (i.e., comics) but it's been delayed.

brent norton, Thu, May 14, 2009, 07:06 PM

Great episode. Now what's going to happen? Awesome show.

Xuttah, Thu, May 14, 2009, 07:18 PM

brent norton wrote:

Great episode. Now what's going to happen? Awesome show.

Well, given that they managed to bounce back from being run over by a semi in the first season, I think they'll bounce back from their current problems. Really a big increase in the stakes though. :)

Andrew Turner (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Fiction, GameMastery Maps Subscriber), Fri, May 15, 2009, 10:39 AM

I suppose season 4 could be a full year of chasing down Lucifer and trying to subdue the Apocalypse. I don't know, though--part of the show's appeal is how the supernatural occurs, and the guys fight it off, and virtually no-one knows what's going on; unsung heroes, and all that.

Db3's Astral Projection, Sat, May 16, 2009, 09:53 AM

Andrew Turner wrote:

I suppose season 4 could be a full year of chasing down Lucifer and trying to subdue the Apocalypse. I don't know, though--part of the show's appeal is how the supernatural occurs, and the guys fight it off, and virtually no-one knows what's going on; unsung heroes, and all that.

Your right, if they knew what was happening the show wouldn't nearly as good.

Shadowborn, Sun, May 17, 2009, 08:25 AM

I have to wonder if the show will plateau here in the next season. I mean, c'mon, they're battling the greatest evil in existence. Once that's done and settled, where do you go from there?

Daeglin (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber), Sun, May 17, 2009, 02:45 PM

Andrew Turner wrote:

I suppose season 4 could be a full year of chasing down Lucifer and trying to subdue the Apocalypse. I don't know, though--part of the show's appeal is how the supernatural occurs, and the guys fight it off, and virtually no-one knows what's going on; unsung heroes, and all that.

I had expected that it would end with (not sure if I should spoiler so I will)

Spoiler:

I do miss the "urban legend" plots from the first season.

Andrew Turner (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Fiction, GameMastery Maps Subscriber), Sun, May 17, 2009, 03:52 PM

Daeglin wrote:

Andrew Turner wrote:

I suppose season 4 could be a full year of chasing down Lucifer and trying to subdue the Apocalypse. I don't know, though--part of the show's appeal is how the supernatural occurs, and the guys fight it off, and virtually no-one knows what's going on; unsung heroes, and all that.

I had expected that it would end with (not sure if I should spoiler so I will) ** spoiler omitted **

I do miss the "urban legend" plots from the first season.

In that way the show is like the X-Files--the conspiracy built up over the years, connecting all the threads and plots of the earliest episodes, and probably should have ended a couple years earlier than it did. The last season tried to revisit the original idea, but after going through global-interstellar uberplots, the search for batboy is a bridge too far.

Then again how many times did Buffy and the Scooby Gang save the universe?

Db3's Astral Projection, Sun, May 17, 2009, 07:34 PM

Daeglin wrote:

I do miss the "urban legend" plots from the first season.

The sad thing is there are so few urban 'legends' that people think are worth knowing.

I typed 'legends' because I am a novice cryptozoologist.

brent norton, Mon, May 18, 2009, 08:03 AM

Andrew Turner wrote:

Daeglin wrote:

a bridge too far.

Then again how many times did Buffy and the Scooby Gang save the universe? [/QUOTE wrote:

I'm still waiting for a Scooby-Doo Episode. They at least have to save for teens and a dog.

Daeglin (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber), Wed, May 20, 2009, 08:11 PM

Andrew Turner wrote:

Then again how many times did Buffy and the Scooby Gang save the universe?

It's a tough balancing act, one that Whedon seemed to be able to pull off most times, even to the point of making fun of it in one episode centered around Xander and his relatively minor misadventures one night - while the rest of the gang were saving the world, details of which the viewers never saw other than peripherally.

On the other hand, I suppose, I wouldn't want to go back to the typical '80's "reset button" where at the end of every episode there is a net change of zero (The A Team, Simon and Simon, etc.). Ongoing character development over the years of a series seemed to be tentatively introduced in STG: The Next Generation, and then really hit its stride with Whedon's stuff. I probably shouldn't complain too much about it in Supernatural - 4 years of urban legend plots would probably get tiresome.

Db3's Astral Projection wrote:

The sad thing is there are so few urban 'legends' that people think are worth knowing.

Well, I wondered how much that came into play when they were plotting their seasons. Was it "few that people think worth knowing" or "few worth knowing"? I'm pretty oblivious to North American folklore other than what can be gleaned from a childhood watching Bugs and Daffy. If it was the latter, and there's not a lot of source material, I would have thought they could draw from other cultures/regions to expand into. Great thing about the melting pot is that stuff could have been brought in from any legend in the world.

Andrew Turner (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Fiction, GameMastery Maps Subscriber), Wed, May 20, 2009, 10:52 PM

All these show have the same problem--the story builds to a point where the climax simply can't be topped. Buffy ended with the total destruction of Sunnydale (which should have happened a year earlier and then we could have skipped the disappointing season of 1000 slayers), and just narrowly averting total, universal apocalypse. Angel, ditto. X-files probably should have ended around the end of season 6, or with the Africa episodes. The last season of the show was actually pretty good, and I would have enjoyed a spinoff using Dogget and Reyes; and the show could have completely abandoned the conspiracy-mythos and stuck to monsters and psychics, but it was really too late.

I'm happy with the end of Terminator, and in a way, I hope it really doesn't return--I think the story is told. Maybe a new show, but the Sarah Connor Chronicles are done, and a spectacular job they did!

Supernatural...I love the show, but the few MOTW episodes this last season were not very good, and the whole buildup to the Apocalypse completely overshadows everything else, since this is the Big One MOAA it took Buffy 7 years to get to. I almost wish the series had ended in a huge three-hours finale. I really don't know where they can go from here, unless it's a spinoff.

Daeglin (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber), Thu, May 21, 2009, 04:15 PM

Andrew Turner wrote:

All these show have the same problem--the story builds to a point where the climax simply can't be topped...
I'm happy with the end of Terminator, and in a way, I hope it really doesn't return--I think the story is told. Maybe a new show, but the Sarah Connor Chronicles are done, and a spectacular job they did!

Supernatural...I love the show, but the few MOTW episodes this last season were not very good, and the whole buildup to the Apocalypse completely overshadows everything else, since this is the Big One MOAA it took Buffy 7 years to get to. I almost wish the series had ended in a huge three-hours finale. I really don't know where they can go from here, unless it's a spinoff.

I agree. Something to be said for having a clear end point to a series. Lost, for example, seems to be trying to tie up all the loose ends in a coherent fashion. If they weren't making the attempt, it'd be tempting to start making comparisons to Gilligan's Island. :)
The Supernatural writers and producers must be thinking of these issues despite appearances, otherwise I don't think they'd have the balls to actually call an episode "Jump The Shark".

Maybe a British member of the boards can clarify this, but I believe they commission most tv series differently for the BBC. Instead of aiming for running as long as ratings justify, new shows tend to be marketed for a specific number and it can be relatively rare for that to change, leading to more self-contained plots then we are used to seeing in North America. Or maybe I completely misunderstood how they do things.

Andrew Turner (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Fiction, GameMastery Maps Subscriber), Fri, May 22, 2009, 01:22 AM

You're right--Spooks is one of the few BBC series that always ends with a cliffhanger.

Set, Fri, May 22, 2009, 04:58 AM

Andrew Turner wrote:

You're right--Spooks is one of the few BBC series that always ends with a cliffhanger.

Now I'm fondly recalling a show named Cliffhanger, that always ended that way. But it was ages ago, and I also 'fondly' recall stuff like Misfits of Science and Hawk the Slayer, which were all kinds of awful...

Purple Dragon Knight (Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Fiction Subscriber), Sun, May 24, 2009, 09:16 PM

I don't think the battle will happen right away... Big L will jump out of his hole, kick them both on their arse, and Greater Teleport to some kind of Doctor Evil hideout where Number Two will have amassed an incalculable fortune in preparation for his arrival, so as to start building his Apocalypse Army. Of course, he'll be sending his Four Horsemen, and each one will be defeated by the two heroes. The season finale will see the Army of Good versus the Army of Evil, etc. etc. etc.

The only twist here seems to be the nugget they dropped during the final show: it appears that the head management of the angels is acting on their own, and do not speak to God anymore... The hint came from the "angel boss" in the form of some quip going along the lines of "God has left the building"... THAT, I am really interested to see develop... the rest of the demon boxing season, not so much...

Misery, Sun, May 24, 2009, 10:02 PM

For all those worried about them not being able to top fighting THE greatest evil of them all, I believe I read somewhere that the show's creator had stated he never wanted to take it past 5 seasons. He didn't want it to be one of those shows that kept going for the sake of keeping it going.

As such, I honestly believe season 5 will be the end of the series and I'd be happy with that. I'd rather the WHOLE show across all seasons be amazing then it teeter off into suckage.

And for the record, Dean rules all.

brent norton, Mon, May 25, 2009, 10:18 AM

So, what music will they start the show with? We all know that music is a big deal about the show. My quess would be Shout at the Devil.

Purple Dragon Knight (Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Fiction Subscriber), Mon, May 25, 2009, 10:42 AM

Which one did they use at the beginning of the Season 4 finale? I don't remember but I do remember thinking that it was pretty cool! :P

Xuttah, Tue, May 26, 2009, 08:21 AM

brent norton wrote:

So, what music will they start the show with? We all know that music is a big deal about the show. My quess would be Shout at the Devil.

I think they should use Sympathy for the Devil. Nice change of pace from the AC/DC and it could set the scene for an intelligent, sophisticated BBEG (*THE* BBEG).

Jason S, Fri, Jul 17, 2009, 08:15 AM

Supernatural is my favorite show on TV right now. I own all of the seasons on DVD. I love the Winchesters, the show is great. It's toned down for TV but not too toned down (or dumbed down).

I'm glad it's well liked because I want them to keep producing shows until they run out of storylines anyway.

Can't wait until next season!

Aberzombie (Pathfinder Adventure Path, Pathfinder Companion Subscriber), Sat, Sep 12, 2009, 01:21 PM

Loved the season opener! A friend recorded it just to go back and count all the different insults Dean said to the angels.

I also loved the bit with the fan of the books. In some ways it was creepy, in other ways very funny.

All in all, a great start to what looks to be an excellent season.

Purple Dragon Knight (Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Fiction Subscriber), Sun, Sep 13, 2009, 05:38 PM

missed it while at the cottage... gonna have to find a way to see it now... (hoping SPACE is still only one week behind and not three years...)

Set, Sun, Sep 13, 2009, 10:43 PM

It all went by so fast! I needed a double sized premiere, I think. :)

Purple Dragon Knight (Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Fiction Subscriber), Mon, Sep 14, 2009, 09:09 AM

Just watched it.

Sam/Dean/Angels = meh (getting old real fast)

Lonely guy who lost his wife and baby being tempted by the Big L. = amazingly done. Wow. I don't know who those two actors where (man and woman) but they can ACT! Wow!

VedicDragon (Pathfinder Chronicles Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber), Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 09:11 AM

*glees as he downloads the latest episode via itunes over his hacked 3G connection on his jailbroken iPhone*

*cheesy Star Wars Death Star trench run monologue ensues*

"Almost There .... AL-MOST ... there!!!"

Dragnmoon (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber; GameMastery Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Pathfinder Fiction Subscriber), Mon, Sep 28, 2009, 09:18 PM

This is still my favorite show on TV! I am still a huge fan of devil angel war, especially with it going on without God's blessings as far as we know. Love that the whole thing has been started and pushed by the Angels! This is not a Evil Vs good thing but a Evil Vs the misguided.

There have been few episodes of this show have have not liked, I think Sam and Dean are some of the best written characters on TV!

Aberzombie (Pathfinder Adventure Path, Pathfinder Companion Subscriber), Fri, Nov 20, 2009, 06:55 AM

Damn, last night's episode was wicked.

Spoiler:

Shadowborn, Fri, Nov 20, 2009, 08:52 AM

Aberzombie wrote:

Damn, last night's episode was wicked.

** spoiler omitted **

Not to be nit-picky, but I'd agree with your assessment, excluding God. The words used were "in creation," which is to say God's creation, hence he would not be included as he is something outside of it entirely.

That said,

Spoiler:

Dragonborn3, Fri, Nov 20, 2009, 08:57 AM

I think death should be portrayed as a small child...

Or they can go the traditional route, skeletal figure in black robes with a scythe. On a Nightmare.

Shadowborn, Fri, Nov 20, 2009, 09:02 AM

Death should be a woman--a very attractive, very scary, woman.