Gods of Starfinder, Part One

Veneration given its due.

All hail Triune!

Although depending on how our Iron Gods game goes, Casandalee may not be an aspect of Triune in our home games ;-)

Between the Devourer, Azathoth, and Groetus, things that float in space are pretty scary. XD

Big bang confirmed! LOL.

I was hoping the the Devourer would be the name for the ascendant hive mind of the Swarm, but I'm good with it being Not-the-Nothing instead of Not-the-Tyranids!

The Devourer sounds more like a NE god to me, since it's basically what Daemons want to do. Destroy everything until there's literally nothing left, not even them.

Correct me if I'm missing something, but right now the Core Twenty are... Abadar, Damoritosh, Desna, The Devourer, Eloritu, Hylax, Iomedae, Lao Shu Po, Nyarlathotep, Oras, Pharasma, Sarenrae, Talavet, Truine, Urgathoa, Weydan, Yaresa, Zon Kuthon, and two more as yet unnamed.

Have I missed anybody?

The Devourer sounds more like a NE god to me, since it's basically what Daemons want to do. Destroy everything until there's literally nothing left, not even them.

I thought the same thing, but I may be basing my idea on the Devourer in Eberron.

Wohoo, I'm happy they avoided the whole "let's describe god of destruction as nihilistic" thing with the Devourer :D

(though granted, it does sound more nihilistic than Rovagug since Rovagug hates existence while Devourer just wants to end to everything for no real reason I guess? Still I'm glad they avoided the "nihilism is evil!" implications in that blurb)

Also I think Devourer is CE because Entropy is Chaotic force in Pathfinder.

The Devourer sounds more like a NE god to me, since it's basically what Daemons want to do. Destroy everything until there's literally nothing left, not even them.

The Daemons still have particular goals though. Szuriel, for example, wants war. Granted, she wants a war that will wash over the universe and burn it to ashes, but she wants war to be involved! If there was a war Szuriel was invested in and the Devourer twitched in that general direction, Szuriel might have to stop it or risk losing all that juicy conflict.

The Devourer, though? Rocks fall, everybody dies. Just as good.

COOOOOOOOOOOOL

I look better as a blackhole anyway.

So... how long until Pact World Gods comes out? I am really interested in finding out more details about each of these deities to integrate them into Planescape.

IonutRO wrote:

The Devourer sounds more like a NE god to me, since it's basically what Daemons want to do. Destroy everything until there's literally nothing left, not even them.

The Daemons still have particular goals though. Szuriel, for example, wants war. Granted, she wants a war that will wash over the universe and burn it to ashes, but she wants war to be involved! If there was a war Szuriel was invested in and the Devourer twitched in that general direction, Szuriel might have to stop it or risk losing all that juicy conflict.

The Devourer, though? Rocks fall, everybody dies. Just as good.

For the Daemons, I thought that their portfolios were just means to an end, and they just don't have the massive means available to the Devourer.

Not covered in this article, but I still find the concept of Oras hilarious - I definitely want to play an Orasian cleric someday.

Not covered in this article, but I still find the concept of Oras hilarious - I definitely want to play an Orasian cleric someday.

I think Oras is awesome! It is definitely making its way into my campaigns!

Cool! Nice to see that the Aballonian quest wasn't forgotten, and how they intermingled that story with Casandalee and Brigh! I thought maybe it would just be Casandalee, but didn't see this end result coming.

All hail Triune!

Although depending on how our Iron Gods game goes, Casandalee may not be an aspect of Triune in our home games ;-)

You're too late my friend. We totally installed her in our game last year, sorry bout that.

All hail Triune.

Wohoo, I'm happy they avoided the whole "let's describe god of destruction as nihilistic" thing with the Devourer :D

(though granted, it does sound more nihilistic than Rovagug since Rovagug hates existence while Devourer just wants to end to everything for no real reason I guess? Still I'm glad they avoided the "nihilism is evil!" implications in that blurb)

Also I think Devourer is CE because Entropy is Chaotic force in Pathfinder.

The Devourer is not nihilistic, except at one extreme end of that definition.

Some of his cultists are... though again at one extreme end of nihilism.

Personally I think the Triune should be Melchior, Balthasar, and Casper.

For the Daemons, I thought that their portfolios were just means to an end, and they just don't have the massive means available to the Devourer.

I would say that when it came right down to it, the Daemons are all about method, even though on a long enough time scale they would like their method to be irrelevant.

I guess the difference to me is to Daemons, life is a curse that needs to be destroyed in specific scenarios that each type of them exemplify, which will tear the foundations out of the Great Beyond. When they are all done, the Prime Material can just drift along and do whatever it does... who cares.

To the Devourer, life is just matter that moves around more often than other matter and turning a sun into a black hole is just as good as painstakingly crafting the individual deaths of a whole world. It is focused on the Prime Material and all the stuff in it. It may not care about the Great Beyond at all.

The Drift may actually be a long term goal to get around the possible inevitability of the Devourer's victory. The heat death of the universe is likely going to happen sometime or another. Triune unlocked the Drift so that when it does, civilization will have somewhere to go that the Devourer can't or won't follow.

CorvusMask wrote:

Wohoo, I'm happy they avoided the whole "let's describe god of destruction as nihilistic" thing with the Devourer :D

(though granted, it does sound more nihilistic than Rovagug since Rovagug hates existence while Devourer just wants to end to everything for no real reason I guess? Still I'm glad they avoided the "nihilism is evil!" implications in that blurb)

Also I think Devourer is CE because Entropy is Chaotic force in Pathfinder.

The Devourer is not nihilistic, except at one extreme end of that definition.

Some of his cultists are... though again at one extreme end of nihilism.

Ye, I agree about that, but I was referring to how one of older Dead Suns blurbs said "nihilistic Cult of the Devourer", even made a thread about how I'm annoyed with Paizo using nihilistic as short hand for "CE of the 'wants to kill everything' sort" ever since of Rovagug and orcs. Can't find that description anymore though, so I take that as good sign.

I also take Devourer's description as another good sign that Paizo writers are moving away from misusing the term :D So I decided to express my happiness about it. Yay!

So are we going to find out where the realms of the new gods are located in Core? Because that would be really, really awesome!

I look better as a blackhole anyway.

Oh, you're still around, G-man! :)

All hail Triune!

Although depending on how our Iron Gods game goes, Casandalee may not be an aspect of Triune in our home games ;-)

This is a good example of why the Gap exists. Just because something happens one way in Pathfinder or in your home game, doesn't mean it can't happen another way in Starfinder. It just means that something happened during the Gap to change things.

So if Casandalee doesn't become a god in your Pathfinder Iron Gods campaign, she can still be an aspect of Triune in Starfinder. It just means that something happened during the Gap to enable her to become a god.

(That doesn't mean you can't change Triune to not include Casandalee in your home game. Of course you can! But one of the reasons we created the Gap was to allow your Pathfinder and Starfinder games to exist simultaneously without affecting each other.)

I do wonder if Desna is still around, she seems such a perfect fit for the Starfinder setting. Weydan makes me fear for her though.

I also wonder if Sivanah is still there, though that's purely because she's my favorite deity. She could even add holograms to her portfolio.

On the other hand, I really like how Lao Shu Po actually extends beyond Golarion's Ratfolk and also is the patron of the Ysoki. I suspect she also is in current Pathfinder.

I'll probably also use Talavet in Pathfinder if I get the chance to play a Kasatha there. Not sure if those would still remember her as a god or just a great spirit but both would work.

I was hoping that Black Butterfly (from Chronicles of the Righteous) would turn up in the Starfinder setting, but it doesn't look like that will happen.

She most likely is, remember these are just the Core deities, not all of them. And they haven't said anything about Black Butterfly not being in Starfinder, which is what you need to keep an eye out for.

"Every machine that breaks,"

So the Devourer is the god of Gremlins.

"Every machine that breaks,"

So the Devourer is the god of Gremlins.

I'm sorry. Mogwai not for sale.

Rysky wrote:

"Every machine that breaks,"

So the Devourer is the god of Gremlins.

I'm sorry. Mogwai not for sale.

Actually they is.

Vidmaster7 wrote:

Rysky wrote:

"Every machine that breaks,"

So the Devourer is the god of Gremlins.

I'm sorry. Mogwai not for sale.

Actually they is.

Alright Rysky just remember to never feed them after midnight.

Rysky wrote:

Vidmaster7 wrote:

Rysky wrote:

"Every machine that breaks,"

So the Devourer is the god of Gremlins.

I'm sorry. Mogwai not for sale.

Actually they is.

Alright Rysky just remember to never feed them after midnight.

But I want Pugwampis...

Vidmaster7 wrote:

Rysky wrote:

Vidmaster7 wrote:

Rysky wrote:

"Every machine that breaks,"

So the Devourer is the god of Gremlins.

I'm sorry. Mogwai not for sale.

Actually they is.

Alright Rysky just remember to never feed them after midnight.

But I want Pugwampis...

Is that what those are/ where they come from... wow live and learn.

All hail Triune!

Although depending on how our Iron Gods game goes, Casandalee may not be an aspect of Triune in our home games ;-)

But did you check for back-up drives stashed about?

Groetus, God of the End Times wrote:

I look better as a blackhole anyway.

Oh, you're still around, G-man! :)

Grinds craters together in anticipation.

Excellent!

I'm very happy with the fact that you kept the other gods (especially Brigh!) as aspects of Triune that have their own portfolios.

And I like the inclusion of Lao Shu Po.

In general everything that's shown of Starfinder just makes me more excited for the game, except maybe for the small Iron Gods spoiler with Casandalee. I GM for two groups playing IG and they both know of Casandalee, but still haven't reached the part where they find out she

I can't wait for Starfinder subscriptions! And I do hope someone from my groups will want to GM some Starfinder too, so I can play.

The Devourer seems... generic. No form, unresponsive, and uninvolved in the affairs of life except as something to blame when stuff breaks. Core because...? Even pinning death on it seems weird, because souls persist and contribute to other planes.

Anyway, that aside, cool! Nice to see the old deities getting new purpose, Lao Shu Po getting a promotion (being placated rather than venerated is nice), and Triune's three aspects coming with their own portfolios is nice for covering a variety of worshippers.

Core because...?

It invented Halflings.

The Devourer seems... generic. No form, unresponsive, and uninvolved in the affairs of life except as something to blame when stuff breaks. Core because...? Even pinning death on it seems weird, because souls persist and contribute to other planes.

Anyway, that aside, cool! Nice to see the old deities getting new purpose, Lao Shu Po getting a promotion (being placated rather than venerated is nice), and Triune's three aspects coming with their own portfolios is nice for covering a variety of worshippers.

Well as "more of a primal force" and strongly associated to entropy the Devourer probably gets a lot of un-intended prayers from nearly every sentient being at some point or another.

QuidEst wrote:

Core because...?

It invented Halflings.

Wrong setting :P

QuidEst wrote:

Core because...?

It invented Halflings.

Tammy can't help but feel at least partially to blame.

If Tammy still had feelings.

I agree that the Devourer isn't really that interesting, but on the other hand, Hylax, Oras, Triune, and Yaraesa all seem pretty interesting as new deities, so that's a definite plus.

Edit: I also think Weydan seems kind of generic; Desna seems like a much more interesting choice that fills a similar niche.

so the devourer seems to represent gravity, also there seems to be less dark energy or non at all in SF universe as it sounds as if there'll be a big crunch (pretty much confirmed to not going to happen in our universe)

Nice to see Iomedae succeding Aroden as a goddess of Humanity. Now lets hope for a CN Nocticula =)

Rysky wrote:

QuidEst wrote:

Core because...?

It invented Halflings.

Tammy can't help but feel at least partially to blame.

If Tammy still had feelings.

Tammy the Lich is now going to be a reoccuring 'villian' in my starfinder campaign

The Universe could end in a Big Rip -- which would be dark energy with an equation of state parameter w<-1, where w=-1 is just vacuum energy. This would also be a sort of end in a flash, like the inflationary beginning run backwards.

To me, the Devourer sounds more N than CE. A force of nature that is what it is. I can see where its worshippers would tend towards the CE. On the other hand, you could probably spin a non-evil worshipper, even a good worshipper, of that portfolio as well. (Kinda like how the Doomguard from Planescape didn't all have to be evil.)

I do like its symbol... then again, I'm always a sucker for biopolar outflows about an accretion disk.

The Universe could end in a Big Rip -- which would be dark energy with an equation of state parameter w<-1, where w=-1 is just vacuum energy. This would also be a sort of end in a flash, like the inflationary beginning run backwards.

To me, the Devourer sounds more N than CE. A force of nature that is what it is. I can see where its worshippers would tend towards the CE. On the other hand, you could probably spin a non-evil worshipper, even a good worshipper, of that portfolio as well. (Kinda like how the Doomguard from Planescape didn't all have to be evil.)

I do like its symbol... then again, I'm always a sucker for biopolar outflows about an accretion disk.

Groteus is apperently still around, and is CN, performing much the same role. Your version could just omit Devourer, and have CE groteus cultist instead.

so the devourer seems to represent gravity, also there seems to be less dark energy or non at all in SF universe as it sounds as if there'll be a big crunch (pretty much confirmed to not going to happen in our universe)

The Devourer could also be tending toward a black hole style heat death.

I kinda want to make a CN follower of the Devourer with a "Supernovae are Kewl!" attitude. Of course, supernovae are simultaneous acts of creation and destruction (it's where elements heavier than iron are generated), so maybe there's a better deity if one wanted to venerate that cycle.

I'm personally excited to see Zon-Kuthon return and REALLY hope to see some cool things done with both the god and the cultists.