paizo.com Recent Comments on Bringing Out the Big Guns in Starfinderpaizo.com Recent Comments on Bringing Out the Big Guns in Starfinder2017-09-20T21:26:45Z2017-09-20T21:26:45ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderLuthornehttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3352017-10-04T02:50:03Z2017-10-04T02:50:03Z<p>That's like saying that flanking shouldn't work every turn because the guy you're fighting should catch on, it should only work once per target or you should take an increasing penalty to your attack roll every time you sneak attack someone because they'll realize what you're trying to do, or the DC to Bluff and feint someone in combat should continue to get harder instead of having a static DC...</p>
<p>...in short, the problem would be the GM choosing to screw the player over for arbitrary claims of 'realism'.</p>That's like saying that flanking shouldn't work every turn because the guy you're fighting should catch on, it should only work once per target or you should take an increasing penalty to your attack roll every time you sneak attack someone because they'll realize what you're trying to do, or the DC to Bluff and feint someone in combat should continue to get harder instead of having a static DC...
...in short, the problem would be the GM choosing to screw the player over for arbitrary claims...Luthorne2017-10-04T02:50:03ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderDead Phoenixhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3342017-10-04T01:29:48Z2017-10-04T01:29:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Scott Henry wrote:</div><blockquote> Yeah but you still have to roll every time and it DOES make sense the DC would increase in a ongoing fight because your enemy is going to realize what you are trying to do. Having to make a roll every time to do that extra damage isn't something I like the idea of. Strike against SF for me. </blockquote><p>At level 7 you don't have to roll because you have an ability to take ten on the skill(yes, even during combat), which you will likely pass because Operative's skill bonus is amazing(and some of them get an extra +4 while tricking attacking on one of the skills they trick attack with). And the only reason the DC would increase is because you invented a house rule, that doesn't even make sense. By that logic AC should increase every time you attack with the same weapon. Also, just because you are using the same skill to trick attack(btw, you have two skills you can trick attack with) doesn't mean you are preforming the same exact action, the ability is pretty much built for players to improve stuff with in fact. Also, no other skill works in the way you are suggesting. The closest thing I can think of is diplomacy, and even that is your trying to get a greater and greater effect each time(in fact if there attitude goes down for w/e reason, the dc would be the same as it was before, by the rules).
<p>But yes if you go out of your way to nerf trick attack, it will be less effective(but honestly, with their skills, they would probably still have little problem pulling it off anyways).</p>Scott Henry wrote:Yeah but you still have to roll every time and it DOES make sense the DC would increase in a ongoing fight because your enemy is going to realize what you are trying to do. Having to make a roll every time to do that extra damage isn't something I like the idea of. Strike against SF for me.
At level 7 you don't have to roll because you have an ability to take ten on the skill(yes, even during combat), which you will likely pass because Operative's skill bonus is amazing(and...Dead Phoenix2017-10-04T01:29:48ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderOni Shogunhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3332017-10-04T01:06:54Z2017-10-04T01:06:54Z<p>Yeah but you still have to roll every time and it DOES make sense the DC would increase in a ongoing fight because your enemy is going to realize what you are trying to do. Having to make a roll every time to do that extra damage isn't something I like the idea of. Strike against SF for me.</p>Yeah but you still have to roll every time and it DOES make sense the DC would increase in a ongoing fight because your enemy is going to realize what you are trying to do. Having to make a roll every time to do that extra damage isn't something I like the idea of. Strike against SF for me.Oni Shogun2017-10-04T01:06:54ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderVentnorhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3322017-10-04T00:17:50Z2017-10-04T00:17:50Z<p>Operatives get to take 10 on their Trick Attack rolls at level 7 or so.</p>Operatives get to take 10 on their Trick Attack rolls at level 7 or so.Ventnor2017-10-04T00:17:50ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderOni Shogunhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3312017-10-04T00:15:25Z2017-10-04T00:15:25Z<p>That's stupid as hell it has to be some damn roll EVERY time. Because honestly wouldn't it just screw the operative over and have a higher DC? I mean the guy you're Trick Attacking is going to catch on. I highly dislike operatives now. Way to crap on "Rogue" types. Stick with 5e or PF for that type of character.</p>That's stupid as hell it has to be some damn roll EVERY time. Because honestly wouldn't it just screw the operative over and have a higher DC? I mean the guy you're Trick Attacking is going to catch on. I highly dislike operatives now. Way to crap on "Rogue" types. Stick with 5e or PF for that type of character.Oni Shogun2017-10-04T00:15:25ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderDeadmanwalkinghttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3302017-10-03T22:44:44Z2017-10-03T22:43:06Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Scott Henry wrote:</div><blockquote> Does SF still have flanking and can you deliver operative damage by surprise, flanking and going before the person you are attacking (flat footed?) </blockquote><p>Flanking exists but in no way helps with Trick Attack. You can deliver a Trick Attack only by succeeding at the skill check described in Trick Attack. Mechanically it bears almost no similarity to Sneak Attack (though their themes are similar).Scott Henry wrote:Does SF still have flanking and can you deliver operative damage by surprise, flanking and going before the person you are attacking (flat footed?)
Flanking exists but in no way helps with Trick Attack. You can deliver a Trick Attack only by succeeding at the skill check described in Trick Attack. Mechanically it bears almost no similarity to Sneak Attack (though their themes are similar).Deadmanwalking2017-10-03T22:43:06ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderOni Shogunhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3292017-10-03T22:35:37Z2017-10-03T22:35:37Z<p>Does SF still have flanking and can you deliver operative damage by surprise, flanking and going before the person you are attacking (flat footed?)</p>Does SF still have flanking and can you deliver operative damage by surprise, flanking and going before the person you are attacking (flat footed?)Oni Shogun2017-10-03T22:35:37ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderShinigami02https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3282017-09-30T02:32:56Z2017-09-30T02:32:56Z<p>And the latter half of my post or so was saying they may do that. Just... it's not in the Core book. Just like a lot of things aren't in the Core book that are going to be introduced in later books. Heck, from what I've heard the AP has already introduced new weapons, namely an actual Axe.</p>And the latter half of my post or so was saying they may do that. Just... it's not in the Core book. Just like a lot of things aren't in the Core book that are going to be introduced in later books. Heck, from what I've heard the AP has already introduced new weapons, namely an actual Axe.Shinigami022017-09-30T02:32:56ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderOni Shogunhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3272017-09-30T01:47:48Z2017-09-30T01:47:19Z<p>Considering they have those but still have a survivial knife that does 1d4? They could easily make a shortsword from non archaic materials and obviously also have plasma, laser and high quality alloys. Easily.</p>Considering they have those but still have a survivial knife that does 1d4? They could easily make a shortsword from non archaic materials and obviously also have plasma, laser and high quality alloys. Easily.Oni Shogun2017-09-30T01:47:19ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderVentnorhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3262017-09-30T00:41:04Z2017-09-30T00:41:04Z<p>You could just say that your plasma sword is short sword length. Pretty sure Paizo isn't going to bash down your doors and imprison you for playing the game wrong if you do so.</p>You could just say that your plasma sword is short sword length. Pretty sure Paizo isn't going to bash down your doors and imprison you for playing the game wrong if you do so.Ventnor2017-09-30T00:41:04ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderShinigami02https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3252017-09-30T00:34:35Z2017-09-30T00:34:35Z<p>Considering they have plasma swords, laser swords, and swords made from some high-quality alloy with edges so sharp they will cut things <i>before the blade hits it</i> (or at least that's my personal headcanon for the dimensional slice weapons, technically it's just a hard aura)... yeah, I would say a cheap steel blade from centuries ago qualifies as "some archaic POS". That said, later books might have modern-made short swords. After all, they can't possibly put every single weapon made in modern society into the core rulebook, the thing would be too large to handle, weigh a ton, and cost a fortune to both print and buy.</p>Considering they have plasma swords, laser swords, and swords made from some high-quality alloy with edges so sharp they will cut things before the blade hits it (or at least that's my personal headcanon for the dimensional slice weapons, technically it's just a hard aura)... yeah, I would say a cheap steel blade from centuries ago qualifies as "some archaic POS". That said, later books might have modern-made short swords. After all, they can't possibly put every single weapon made in modern...Shinigami022017-09-30T00:34:35ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderDeadmanwalkinghttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3242017-09-30T00:28:58Z2017-09-30T00:28:58Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Scott Henry wrote:</div><blockquote> WHY aren't there shortswords anymore? So from Pathfinder to Starfinder people just stopped making them? Unlikely. And what happens if a operative gets a shortsword, say from Pathfinder times and its a magical non POS, non archaic one? It SHOULD be operative weapon able to do the extra damage and I see little reason why they couldn't upgrade this sword so its not some archaic POS. </blockquote><p>They probably do exist, they just aren't in super common usage compared to, say, knives and are thus not in the corebook. Personally, I'd say their damage is probably on par with batons, so you could just go with that, make the damage piercing and roll with it.Scott Henry wrote:WHY aren't there shortswords anymore? So from Pathfinder to Starfinder people just stopped making them? Unlikely. And what happens if a operative gets a shortsword, say from Pathfinder times and its a magical non POS, non archaic one? It SHOULD be operative weapon able to do the extra damage and I see little reason why they couldn't upgrade this sword so its not some archaic POS.
They probably do exist, they just aren't in super common usage compared to, say, knives and are...Deadmanwalking2017-09-30T00:28:58ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderOni Shogunhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3232017-09-30T00:10:47Z2017-09-30T00:10:04Z<p>WHY aren't there shortswords anymore? So from Pathfinder to Starfinder people just stopped making them? Unlikely. And what happens if a operative gets a shortsword, say from Pathfinder times and its a magical non POS, non archaic one? It SHOULD be operative weapon able to do the extra damage and I see little reason why they couldn't upgrade this sword so its not some archaic POS.</p>WHY aren't there shortswords anymore? So from Pathfinder to Starfinder people just stopped making them? Unlikely. And what happens if a operative gets a shortsword, say from Pathfinder times and its a magical non POS, non archaic one? It SHOULD be operative weapon able to do the extra damage and I see little reason why they couldn't upgrade this sword so its not some archaic POS.Oni Shogun2017-09-30T00:10:04ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderLuna Protege (alias of BlueStorm)https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3222017-08-18T12:53:33Z2017-08-18T12:53:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">James Gearin wrote:</div><blockquote>I'm now trying to imagine a civilized legal system when the maximum value of a life is 5,000 credits. I mean is it even possible to have a murder charge be anything other than a slap-on-the-wrist fine under those circumstances? My impression is we're talking about modern, even multi-planetary civilizations way past their industrial revolution. Because when you have the casual presumption of resurrection as an economic touchstone, we're talking medical tech on a level that makes Star Trek look outright barbaric.</blockquote><p>... Sounds pretty cyber-punk doesn't it?
<div class="messageboard-quotee">James Gearin wrote:</div><blockquote>I would not have guessed just getting through 6-10 weeks of boot camp was worth around 9 levels. Seems like something players should be flinging themselves at. The RoI is <i>amazing</i> :)</blockquote><p>I was more thinking of the average level of "normal" soldiers, not the green horned Bambis fresh out of Boot camp. The guy's fresh out of Boot camp are probably around level 8. The average soldier in the unit is level 10. The most experienced guy in the unit who's probably grizzled and seen active combat is probably closer to Level 12 and probably seen about 3 years of active combat.
<p>... Before you say three years is probably a bit much, consider that if they're working together with a large number of other people, which in my example they probably will... Then they're going to have to split their EXP gains with them.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">James Gearin wrote:</div><blockquote>So I'm guessing starting PCs owning a tramp freighter of some sort is right out then? Seems sort of conceptually inappropriate for folks bringing hockey pads to a gun fight even if it's a pretty common 'my space opera fantasy is...'. Sounds like if you want to go swanning from world to world at lower levels it'll be by buying a (space) bus ticket.</blockquote><p>Within game context, it seems to be that the players rarely actually "own", or rather "bought" the ship. Heck, the starships aren't even given a listed price as near as I can tell; and if the AP information I've heard is anything to go by, the typical reasons you've even got a ship are that you were given it, stole it, found it, built it yourself over a long period of time, or you made a long term deal with someone to get it (such as taking out a real big loan).James Gearin wrote:I'm now trying to imagine a civilized legal system when the maximum value of a life is 5,000 credits. I mean is it even possible to have a murder charge be anything other than a slap-on-the-wrist fine under those circumstances? My impression is we're talking about modern, even multi-planetary civilizations way past their industrial revolution. Because when you have the casual presumption of resurrection as an economic touchstone, we're talking medical tech on a level that...Luna Protege (alias of BlueStorm)2017-08-18T12:53:33ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderJames Gearinhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3212017-08-19T22:38:25Z2017-08-18T03:49:17Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Luna Protege wrote:</div><blockquote>... And yet, in setting, a single life being returned to life has a distinct monetary value. About 5000 Credits, or effectively FREE if you have a friend with level 4 Mystic Cure able to get to you quick enough.</blockquote><p>I'm now trying to imagine a civilized legal system when the maximum value of a life is 5,000 credits. I mean is it even possible to have a murder charge be anything other than a slap-on-the-wrist fine under those circumstances? My impression is we're talking about modern, even multi-planetary civilizations <i>way</i> past their industrial revolution. Because when you have the casual presumption of resurrection as an economic touchstone, we're talking medical tech on a level that makes Star Trek look outright barbaric.
<p>I would not have guessed just getting through 6-10 weeks of boot camp was worth around 9 levels. Seems like something players should be flinging themselves at. The RoI is <i>amazing</i> :).</p>
<p>So I'm guessing starting PCs owning a tramp freighter of some sort is right out then? Seems sort of conceptually inappropriate for folks bringing hockey pads to a gun fight even if it's a pretty common 'my space opera fantasy is...'. Sounds like if you want to go swanning from world to world at lower levels it'll be by buying a (space) bus ticket.</p>Luna Protege wrote:... And yet, in setting, a single life being returned to life has a distinct monetary value. About 5000 Credits, or effectively FREE if you have a friend with level 4 Mystic Cure able to get to you quick enough.
I'm now trying to imagine a civilized legal system when the maximum value of a life is 5,000 credits. I mean is it even possible to have a murder charge be anything other than a slap-on-the-wrist fine under those circumstances? My impression is we're talking about...James Gearin2017-08-18T03:49:17ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderLuna Protege (alias of BlueStorm)https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3202017-08-18T00:44:11Z2017-08-18T00:41:58Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">James Gearin wrote:</div><blockquote> In the real world you fret over fractions of a percent of improved performance, because we're talking about LIVES.</blockquote><p>... And yet, in setting, a single life being returned to life has a distinct monetary value. About 5000 Credits, or effectively FREE if you have a friend with level 4 Mystic Cure able to get to you quick enough.
<p>Compared to some of the higher level weapons, that's quite cheap. While on longer term campaigns, higher cost gear is better just for how often it will prevent you NEEDING to spend those 5000 credits on any kind of frequent basis, you'd need to have a LOT of opportunities to die before that cost/risk/reward equation at all equals out.</p>
<p>The highest grade of Heavy Weapon, such as the Paragon Reaction Cannon... Needs to save your life with its added power roughly 162 times before you break even, and if you have a 10th level Mystic with you, then it might not even be worth that.</p>
<p>Assume that a standard Soldier (as opposed to a security guard) is probably 10th level, and that a 20th level character is part of an Elite Black ops unit, (this fits with the Hailstorm vs Avalanche comparison, Hailstorm is 8th level). At that kind of level, 40 level 10 Soldiers can handle a surprising amount so long as they coordinate. And each one's weapon only has to prevent that specific soldier from needing to be resurrected twice to be (almost) worth the weapon cost. More-over, if they're in units with combat medic Mystics, then the resurrection costs plummet.</p>
<p>... And needless to say, 40 Soldiers vs 1 Kaiju is probably a fair fight. Especially if they all fire at once.</p>
<p>On the other end of the spectrum... The typical first level character, and gear for that matter... Is basically in a situation that not only is better equipment more expensive, but resurrection is too expensive. At that point, literally anything is better than nothing... And that's to be expected... At first level, you're not professionals, you're amateurs. At that point, its neither your duty nor responsibility to risk your life... You're doing that on your own. As such... You're basically the swamp hillbilly asking the second hand gun shop if they've got something to help you sort out your rodent problem.</p>
<p>... No joke, at first level, you're basically fighting overgrown rats and street hooligans. Your protection would be just as effective if it were basically just a hockey outfit you bought at the sporting store.</p>James Gearin wrote:In the real world you fret over fractions of a percent of improved performance, because we're talking about LIVES.
... And yet, in setting, a single life being returned to life has a distinct monetary value. About 5000 Credits, or effectively FREE if you have a friend with level 4 Mystic Cure able to get to you quick enough. Compared to some of the higher level weapons, that's quite cheap. While on longer term campaigns, higher cost gear is better just for how often it...Luna Protege (alias of BlueStorm)2017-08-18T00:41:58ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderJames Gearinhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3192017-08-17T22:59:04Z2017-08-17T22:59:04Z<p>"After all, why would an army buy a single avalanche-class zero rifle, when it can buy forty hailstorm-class zero rifles for the same amount of money? Sure, the avalanche-class does three times as much damage."</p>
<p>Gee, I don't know? Because the soldier is worth 50 times the gun? We're talking just in terms of time and resources spent putting them through bootcamp? Or because in any modern army you're also stockpiling munitions for vehicles, some of which individually cost 100 times the cost of the super rifle? Or because it's political suicide to tell the families of the bereaved, "well, we could have equipped them with guns that would have won the fight casually but caskets were cheaper..."</p>
<p>Its a game mechanic, and probably a useful one for organizing treasure table, but as a real world/in game rationale it's absurd. In the real world you fret over fractions of a percent of improved performance, because we're talking about LIVES. The people who have only one of those to give ain't fond of lowest bid contractor reasoning. Sorry. Something that's hands down 250% more effective with no downsides is going to obsolete everything else merely by existing...</p>"After all, why would an army buy a single avalanche-class zero rifle, when it can buy forty hailstorm-class zero rifles for the same amount of money? Sure, the avalanche-class does three times as much damage."
Gee, I don't know? Because the soldier is worth 50 times the gun? We're talking just in terms of time and resources spent putting them through bootcamp? Or because in any modern army you're also stockpiling munitions for vehicles, some of which individually cost 100 times the cost of...James Gearin2017-08-17T22:59:04ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderDavid Hasselhoff (alias of Garbage-Tier Waifu)https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3182017-06-30T08:14:18Z2017-06-30T08:14:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>Item level is also a useful baseline to help determine what gear a character ha the licenses, connections, and trust to buy.</blockquote><p>Got a permit for those guns?Quote:Item level is also a useful baseline to help determine what gear a character ha the licenses, connections, and trust to buy.
Got a permit for those guns?David Hasselhoff (alias of Garbage-Tier Waifu)2017-06-30T08:14:18ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in Starfinderbugleymanhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3172017-06-29T23:37:07Z2017-06-29T23:37:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:</div><blockquote> ...much as lots of things that have become integral to Pathfinder aren't in the Pathfinder core rulebook... </blockquote><p>If only there were some way to address that... ;-)Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:...much as lots of things that have become integral to Pathfinder aren't in the Pathfinder core rulebook...
If only there were some way to address that... ;-)bugleyman2017-06-29T23:37:07ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderZwordsmanhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3162017-06-29T23:03:52Z2017-06-29T23:03:52Z<p>I like how that "not the norm" implies AP's with crazy Marvin the Martian's with mobile platforms obliterating planets because they're blocking his view.</p>I like how that "not the norm" implies AP's with crazy Marvin the Martian's with mobile platforms obliterating planets because they're blocking his view.Zwordsman2017-06-29T23:03:52ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderOwen K. C. Stephenshttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3152017-06-29T21:59:15Z2017-06-29T21:58:02Z<p>At least in pathfinder, force damage has never been a damage type in the same way the weapon damage types and energy types are. "Force damage" is a shorthand for saying "damage that is a force effect," and it is otherwise generally untyped.</p>
<p>The same is true of untyped damage (such as the spell disintegrate inflicts) and damage resulting directly from divine power (such as half of flame strike).</p>
<p>That doesn't mean a Starfinder weapon couldn't do force damage, and magic missile certainly does, but for weapons it's certainly not the norm.</p>At least in pathfinder, force damage has never been a damage type in the same way the weapon damage types and energy types are. "Force damage" is a shorthand for saying "damage that is a force effect," and it is otherwise generally untyped.
The same is true of untyped damage (such as the spell disintegrate inflicts) and damage resulting directly from divine power (such as half of flame strike).
That doesn't mean a Starfinder weapon couldn't do force damage, and magic missile certainly does,...Owen K. C. Stephens2017-06-29T21:58:02ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderTorbynehttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3142017-06-29T21:09:34Z2017-06-29T20:59:02Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Opsylum wrote:</div><blockquote> So the First Contact book only lists eight different types of weapon damage types: bludgeoning, slashing, piercing, fire, cold, acid, electricity, and sonic. Is force damage no longer a thing? (I swear I've seen it in context of a Starfinder demo somewhere...) </blockquote><p>Magic Missile is still a thing after all.Opsylum wrote:So the First Contact book only lists eight different types of weapon damage types: bludgeoning, slashing, piercing, fire, cold, acid, electricity, and sonic. Is force damage no longer a thing? (I swear I've seen it in context of a Starfinder demo somewhere...)
Magic Missile is still a thing after all.Torbyne2017-06-29T20:59:02ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderOpsylumhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3132017-06-29T21:00:56Z2017-06-29T20:28:17Z<p>So the First Contact book only lists eight different weapon damage types: bludgeoning, slashing, piercing, fire, cold, acid, electricity, and sonic. Is force damage no longer a thing? (I swear I've seen it in context of a Starfinder demo somewhere...)</p>So the First Contact book only lists eight different weapon damage types: bludgeoning, slashing, piercing, fire, cold, acid, electricity, and sonic. Is force damage no longer a thing? (I swear I've seen it in context of a Starfinder demo somewhere...)Opsylum2017-06-29T20:28:17ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderOwen K. C. Stephenshttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3122017-07-02T00:29:33Z2017-06-29T19:43:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Torbyne wrote:</div><blockquote> Well i guess this means our only option at this point is for the game to be a wild success and for you and the rest of the team to produce many, many more books to support it. </blockquote><p>From your lips to the forces of reality's ears!
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Torbyne wrote:</div><blockquote>hopefully you will have some down time between writing to actually play your game now and then... </blockquote><p>While I know many awesome designers who somehow do it, I remain firmly in the camp of designers who need to play any game we write for a lot. :)Torbyne wrote:Well i guess this means our only option at this point is for the game to be a wild success and for you and the rest of the team to produce many, many more books to support it.
From your lips to the forces of reality's ears! Torbyne wrote:hopefully you will have some down time between writing to actually play your game now and then...
While I know many awesome designers who somehow do it, I remain firmly in the camp of designers who need to play any game we write for a lot. :)Owen K. C. Stephens2017-06-29T19:43:32ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Bringing Out the Big Guns in StarfinderTorbynehttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=7?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#3112017-06-30T04:30:55Z2017-06-29T19:36:54Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Heck, <i>I want</i> accessory rails and underslung options for weapons.</p>
<p>I have no doubt we'll have such things, they just aren't in the core rulebook (much as lots of things that have become integral to Pathfinder aren't in the Pathfinder core rulebook). </blockquote><p>Well i guess this means our only option at this point is for the game to be a wild success and for you and the rest of the team to produce many, many more books to support it. hopefully you will have some down time between writing to actually play your game now and then...Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:Heck, I want accessory rails and underslung options for weapons.
I have no doubt we'll have such things, they just aren't in the core rulebook (much as lots of things that have become integral to Pathfinder aren't in the Pathfinder core rulebook).
Well i guess this means our only option at this point is for the game to be a wild success and for you and the rest of the team to produce many, many more books to support it. hopefully you will have some down time...Torbyne2017-06-29T19:36:54Z