Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden
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Maybe the confusion is because the earlier iteration of the program (the one that was shouted down) stated that it was meant to promote weaker venues that need a bit of a leg up.
The current program doesn't talk about that AFAIK, but I get the feeling the idea is still buzzing around in a few peoples' heads.
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The updated DM reward chronicle with the punch card built into it* says
Only games GMed between 1 February 2017 and 31 January 2018 are valid , does that make it retroactive to February? (which would be really handy for the 24 game mark becoming a possibility: miss one week of a bi monthly game night and you're off scheduel)
* of course, i just had the other cards made up on cardstock
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The updated DM reward chronicle with the punch card built into it* says
Only games GMed between 1 February 2017 and 31 January 2018 are valid , does that make it retroactive to February? (which would be really handy for the 24 game mark becoming a possibility: miss one week of a bi monthly game night and you're off scheduel)* of course, i just had the other cards made up on cardstock
That's what we did. Except ours started Feb 13th for this block. It was good to get retroactively all the games we did. That said, we're still waiting on clarification for Emerald Spire and Thornkeep.
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My understanding is that the program is valid from 1 Feb to 23 Jan, but the individual games only count after the program has been approved for those locations. A general versus specific thing. If I am mistaken, I will happily allow my GMs to take credit for their February games.
Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West
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What do you recommend if your local venture officers don't sign up for it? I ask them every time I see them and they keep saying they'll get around to it?
The same as you would do with any other problem with VOs - work up the chain.
If it's a VA who is holding thing up, raise the issue with your VL. If the VL is the problem, take it to your VC. If that doesn't work, talk to your RVC. Finally, if all else fails, you could appeal to Tonya.
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Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West
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Fine, but when i'm shoveling an iggloo to sleep in in albany next year to get those last 2 games in, i'm blaming you! :)
Well, there's your problem - you're wasting time shoveling when you could be GMing!
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As VC I mad sure all the local sites got their paperwork in nice and quickly so I could make one submission to the RVC. A couple of VA's were going to be a bit delayed, so I did the docs for them to get it done.
Doing things onesie-twosie just chews up time and is a real pain in the backside - the form takes like five minutes tops.... git-r-done :p
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“The venue determines player boon distribution”... This doesn’t necessarily mean all the players have a fair chance at boons. What’s to keep VOs from distributing the player boon package amongst his friends and inner circle?
If they are being irresponsible or nepotistic like that, then you complain up the chain of command. If its a VA, then you complain to the VL in charge of that area. If its a VL, then you complain to the VC. If its a VC, then you complain to the RVC.
And if you get no love, you kick your complaint up the next level (the OPC would be the end of the line if you want to complain about an RVC.)
VO's should be making sure they are being fair with distribution, and if they are not, then send it up the chain. My experience is that if a VO is being dishonest or unfair, it gets handled pretty quickly.
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Regional Venture-Coordinator, Baltic
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“The venue determines player boon distribution”... This doesn’t necessarily mean all the players have a fair chance at boons. What’s to keep VOs from distributing the player boon package amongst his friends and inner circle?
That quote is wrong.
Each venue determines their method of player boon distribution and provides that information to players.
So the method can be:
roll a d20, 19 or 20 gets a boon
or
Every player gets a token every time they play. 10 tokens equals 1 boon.
The boons are digitally distributed to the VOs, so they can be printed equal to the demand. So somebody else getting a boon doesn't affect your chances of getting one.
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Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West
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The problem, of course, is that in a local area there are several venues, and the reward distribution method needs to be the same at all of them. If one game store rolls dice and awards boons on a 19 or 20, while another hands out a token, there is a problem.
In our area we award boons by rolling dice at the table at all the stores. But even that doesn't mean we couldn't run into problems - a lot of our players and GMs don't only play at our stores - they also play at stores on the other side of the bay, which are in a different locale (same region, but a different VC).
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The problem, of course, is that in a local area there are several venues, and the reward distribution method needs to be the same at all of them. If one game store rolls dice and awards boons on a 19 or 20, while another hands out a token, there is a problem.
.. because...? I mean if there's any hobby where you can expect people to gain an understanding of statistics in a real hurry..
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Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West
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Because, amongst other things, we see complaints from players who want to be absolutely sure of getting a boon after 10 games, so they want to collect 10 tokens. Ten chances to roll for a boon, with a 10% chance each time they roll, doesn't guarantee them a boon - there's about a one in three chance that they'll come away empty-handed. Equally, some players can have collected a couple of tokens, but expect them to be redeemable at a venue that doesn't use tokens.
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the reward distribution method needs to be the same at all of them
I disagree. The exact nature of the distribution method is left up to the regions, and in mine, up to the store organizers. As long as the players in attendance have a 10% chance, they comply whether or not the method is the identical to the one across town. Tonya trusts the RVCs to manage this process, and I trust my local VOs to know their communities better than I do. Until/unless they violate the trust we have placed in them, I see no reason to mandate how this works. Will the method please everyone, every time? Of course not, and it never will. We will address complaints as they come in and verify compliance, but that's as far as it goes, IMO.
That is not to say, YOU have to do the same thing. The great thing about this program is that if you find the inconsistency in your area is problematic, then your community leaders can discuss the issue and come to a compromise. Simple, and it should work for everyone...assuming you can reach said compromise.
Because, amongst other things, we see complaints from players who want to be absolutely sure of getting a boon after 10 games
Except that's not exactly how "chance" works. Having a 1 in 10 chance does not equate to a guarantee after 10 tries. Don't set that expectation and it shouldn't be an issue. And if players are making that assumption, correct them. As long as no one is "cheating" and issuing rewards outside the established process, its fair for everyone. Luck of the draw is still luck.
some players can have collected a couple of tokens, but expect them to be redeemable at a venue that doesn't use tokens
IMO that is not a system problem, its a communication issue. The store organizers just need to do a better job of informing the players how the program works and that it will vary from location to location. Its really no different than any other variations like some venues require pre-registration for their events, some don't. Some venues only advertise five seats for a table leaving the 6th open for a walk-in, some don't. Some are scheduling PFS & SFS to run at the same time, some are keeping them separate. Some allow digital dice rollers, some don't.
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“The venue determines player boon distribution”... This doesn’t necessarily mean all the players have a fair chance at boons. What’s to keep VOs from distributing the player boon package amongst his friends and inner circle?
It does if they are following the guidelines that all participants have a 10% chance to win one. If the venue is issuing boons to friends, inner circle, or any other method that does not comply with the 10% model, I would recommend you report it to the RVC who is responsible for the management of this program.
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What is the cutoff for the current boon sheet? I’ve run a handful of games at a location that qualifies, but never got my card. I’m trying to figure out if it’s worth asking the VO to do the paperwork, or just wait until it cycles over to start a new card. I’d maybe have 3 or 4 games in the current period, so a long way still from hitting the first mark.
Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria
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Buy them their favorite snack.What happens if we have a GM that has already gotten the 24 table boons, and is almost at 36?You make sure he or she knows that you are grateful for having such a wonderful person in your community.
Thank them publicly and offer to schedule games for them play and enjoy... also snacks^^
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Venture-Agent, Georgia—Atlanta
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What is the cutoff for the current boon sheet? I’ve run a handful of games at a location that qualifies, but never got my card. I’m trying to figure out if it’s worth asking the VO to do the paperwork, or just wait until it cycles over to start a new card. I’d maybe have 3 or 4 games in the current period, so a long way still from hitting the first mark.
Seconded.
