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Here Come the Hobgoblins

Friday, July 8, 2016

One of my favorite moments in the development of any Pathfinder Battles set is the day when WizKids brings in the paint master and I get to see the figures for what amounts to the first time. Sure, I've carefully selected the reference images and approved digital sculpts, but it's not until you can actually hold the figures in your hand that they truly become "real." And oh, boy did we have a "real" experience looking at Deadly Foes!

Incidentally, the set has officially moved to a NOVEMBER release. I am told by reliable sources that it is unlikely to slip further.

The theme of Deadly Foes is high-utility monsters, humanoids, and heroes, and the feeling in the room as each of the painted figures was that this may be one of our best and most useful sets yet.

This week I'd like to show off three figures from the set: Hobgoblins all!

Up first is the Hobgoblin Archer, a nice rank-and-file ranged weapon attacker. Simple. Effective. Deadly. The Hobgoblin Archer is a Medium, common figure.

This guy is the bomb. The Hobgoblin Alchemist is a Medium, common figure.

Last up this week is the Hobgoblin Cleric, another Medium, common figure.

All three hobgoblins were inspired by art from the Pathfinder RPG Monster Codex, which also has relevant game statistics.

Lots more to show off in the coming weeks!

Until then, I remain...

Erik Mona
Publisher

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Thank you Eric. Unless I am much mistaken, I had suggested all three of these in the past. Glad to see that the Monster Codex helped make these a reality. My only quibble is about the rarity of the alchemist. Would have preferred a more martial type as a common instead, with the alchie as an uncommon. But I understand how rarities work. Hopefully that means the martial one (there is another, right?) looks great.

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Thank you, Erik!

I hope you are feeling better than two weeks ago. :-)

These hobgoblins look very good and i believe these are the last "commons" in the set.

I'm asking myself if we will see an uncommon "Hobgoblin leader" in this set, but even if we don't, these 3 should be excellent for AP#115, the first part of "Ironfang Invasion" in february 2017. ;-)

With D&D Icons 5 in september and D&D Icons 6 in january, november sounds right to me.

Looking forward to the 12 unrevealed creatures (plus Keketar Protean & Aasimar Paladin) and 5 dressing pieces and of course the pictures of the actual miniatures.

Only 16 weeks till release!

Have a nice weekend.

Shadow Lodge

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Nice looking hobgoblins there! All common so easy to get an instant horde. Hats off to you Erik. The November shift is fine by me, makes the set feel like a birthday present, although I doubt it will reach me by the 17th ☹️. If we get another hobgoblin I hope its the samurai looking warlord from the monster codex, that a very nice piece of art. Very excited for this set, spoilers for the rest can't come far enough...


Any chance of doing more with the unpainted metal line with Reaper? These are nice and all but I'm a painter and I'm not as fond of blind random packs. All that ever seems to get added to Reaper's line are the iconics and one or two npc's from the adventure paths. The black dragon mini has been in limbo for ages. What's up?


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It's kind of obvious but nonetheless seems unusual amongst mini-makers for some reason - I really, really appreciate the fact you keep the various "groups" looking similarly styled. It really adds to the look when you plonk down a gang of monsters who actually look like a gang.


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I'm guessing that it is much harder than we can imagine to get continuity of "gangs" across sets. It is indeed rare when we get pieces that continue to match, the Pathfinder Goblins being the best and longest running example. I'm quite happy that Paizo and Wizkids continue to make efforts to group gangs in each set. Current Hobgoblins included! I do hope there is at least one more coming in future previews.


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I love these models.

Not thrilled about the set slipping so far. 10 months between sets is a pretty huge gap.

Are we going to get any smaller box sets in between, or is it pretty much nothing til November?

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I don't think we will get something else till november.
These things have a long preparation time and with the Rusty Dragon Inn being reprinted in july and D&D set 5 coming up, i imagine it would already have been advertized somewhere.

That said, i think we will get the Unpainted line in december and the next PFB set could maybe come as early as april 2017. :-)

Can we still make some suggestions for set 12, Erik? ;-)


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These look really great.

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Eviljames wrote:
Any chance of doing more with the unpainted metal line with Reaper? These are nice and all but I'm a painter and I'm not as fond of blind random packs. All that ever seems to get added to Reaper's line are the iconics and one or two npc's from the adventure paths. The black dragon mini has been in limbo for ages. What's up?

Reaper has more stuff in the pipeline! I approved eight figures at the GAMA Trade Show a few weeks back, and they look fantastic.

I think the transition to focusing on Bones and the fulfillment of all those Kickstarters knocked back a lot of Reaper's new minis plans, but they are moving forward and I expect new product to start flowing soon.

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Marco Massoudi wrote:

Can we still make some suggestions for set 12, Erik? ;-)

Please do!


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Erik Mona wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:


Can we still make some suggestions for set 12, Erik? ;-)

Please do!

In case you have the statistics ready: please fill any gaps for the monsters needed in the Accursed Halls of Thornkeep and the Emerald Spire Superdungeon.

I'm already quite happy with what I see so far: Mi Go, Sphynx, Elder Things, Invisible Stalker... just off the top of my head.

Some Sprites would be cool.
And of cause: Spriggan, Small and Large. Using goblins and the mini troll from H&M as stand-in was rather akward.

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Erik Mona wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:

Can we still make some suggestions for set 12, Erik? ;-)

Please do!

fey. There are 4 PFS scenarios that use faries/sprites/similar looking fey that I can think of off the top of my head, plus several in adventure paths.


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Yes, please fey!

We could really use a set with a number of these and plant monsters at common.

Pixie, Nymph, Dryad, Leprechaun, etc.

Shambling Mound, Shrieker, Myconid, Assassin Vine etc

Bonus points for tie-in npc/PC minis and thematically friendly minis like Unicorn, Pegasus, druids, rangers, hunters, animals.

Pathfinder Battle: The Great Outdoors has a nice ring to it!

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Suggestions, hmm? I'll see if anything springs to mind. ^_^

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Bestiary (1):

-Giant Ants ( medium drone, soldier, worker & large queen)
-Dire Ape (L)
-Assassin Vine (L)
-Lillend Azata (L)
-Basidirond (m)
-Cave Fisher (m)
-Boar (m)
-Chuul (L)
-Devourer (L)
-Pteranodon (L)
-Dog (s)
-Dolphin (m)
-Black Dragon (s+L)
-Blue Dragon (s+L)
-Green Dragon (s)
-Red Dragon (s)
-White Dragon (s)
-Gold Dragon (L)
-Drider, male + female (L)
-Drow (m cleric, fighter, rogue, wizard) Second Darkness art not MC
-Dryad (m)
-Giant Moray Eel (L)
-Cat (s)
-Girallon/Anghazani (L)
-Clay Golem (L)
-Stone Golem (L)
-Wood Golem (m)
-Homunculus (s)
-Pony (m)
-Dire Hyena (L)
-Kyton/Chain Devil (m)
-Giant Leech (m)
-Dire Lion (L)
-Giant Mantis (L)
-Merfolk, male + female (m)
-Mohrg (L)
-Morlock (m)
-Nymph (m)
-Giant Octopus (L)
-Ogre Mage Oni, male + female (L)
-Orc female (m)
-Otyugh (L)
-Pixie (s)
-Pseudodragon (s)
-Rakshasa (m)
-Rust Monster (m)
-Satyr (m)
-Sea Hag (m)
-Shadow (m)
-Svirfneblin, male + female (s)
-Tengu (4 different, male + female) (m)
-Tiefling, male + female (m) the WotR Faxon was red-skinned
-Dire Tiger (L)
-Vampire, female (m)
-Vargouille (s)
-Vegepygmy (4 different, male + female) (s)
-Violet Fungus (m)
-Dire Wolverine (L)
-Xill (m)
-Yellow Musk Creeper (m)


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I'm sure Eric is aware of which monsters from Bestiry 1 are still missing as minis ;-)

The more versatile monsters of the dungeons mentioned above:
Fungal Crawler
Homonuculus
Iron Cobra
Giant Scorpion
Decapus
Undine
Water Mephit
Quicklng
Morlock
Yellow Musk Creeper & Zombies
Giant Flytrap
Proteans
Gug

Shadow Lodge

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Some of the less common races especially ratfolk, elemental kin, wayang
Spriggan; large and small.
Shadow giant using ISB art (hmmm I said that a few times now I think)
Ash giant,
A second Marsh giant using the art from the Giantslayer AP.
Dimensional shambler,
Sprite or similar small winged fey.
Duergar - themed like the hobs or bugbears
Troglodytes - again themed
Kytons - could also be themed with the 4 various sizes types.

As others have said its these themed subsets that work so well, especially these hobgoblins.

Technically I'd also like to see some of the themed minus fleshed out even more. Another ogre or two the same size as the kreegs, another Orc or two, another bugbear or two that scale in with the lurker.

It would be nice to see an additional sea devil or two in scale with either the base one or the four armed one, probably the basic, quite large seas devil from Skull and Shackles.

Even 1-2 more fire, hill and frost Giants to give a bit more table variety, and uniformity - I like the frost goants we have but they vary a little too much in look to really work well together, same with the fire giant King (although when I repainted his Armor gold he was a better fit)


Although I think the figures look cool I just can't get my mind around these figures being an actual hobgoblin? If I do pick up a few I'd have to think of something else to call them. To me they almost appear undead. I guess I'm just old school and used to my old hobgoblin sculpts.

Shadow Lodge

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Why is that? What makes them look non-hob? Is it the coloration?


Hey Cat-thulhu, thanks for asking. Yes, it is the coloration but also the "beefiness" (yes not really a word but I'm sure you get my point). I know WotC made them red to brown, but I always looked at hobgoblins a bit more rotund and/or musculature. Maybe it's just me. Here they could pass for gray skinned humans with elven ears.


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Beastiary 1 art makes them look a bit more primitive than the MonsterCodex art.
B1 Fighter and the archer as common and the other 2 as uncommon plus one rare commander would have been perfect. But the colors are probably too simple to justify higher rarity.


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By all means, spriggans large and small!
Shocker lizards. I can't believe no one's ever made a shocker lizard. Talk about a great common!
A well-sculpted, well-painted dryad would be great, maybe using the art from the 2nd Kingmaker adventure. The new dryad from WotC is an embarrassment, and the old Black Woods Dryad was not what most people think of when they think "dryad".
Again, by all means, more plants. This is the least well-represented class of creatures in pre-paints.
Urdefhans and morlocks. They're a major feature of Serpent's Skull, and they're totally unrepresented in minis.
The soul eater from Kingmaker 3 could be cool.
Ratfolk and grippli. Kitsune. They'd all be very popular.
How about Blackjack? You already have a sculpt with Reaper, right? Plague doctors? Please, please, pretty please, Red Mantis Assassins? Maybe a summonable giant red praying mantis to go with them? (You could then do a green one as a promo, or vice versa.)
A gypsy with a harrow deck could be cool. Especially if could serve plausibly for a harrower as well.
I'd still like to see a PF male drider as well, since they have a different look than old D&D driders.
And thanks as always for asking what we'd like! :-)


DropBearHunter wrote:

I'm sure Eric is aware of which monsters from Bestiry 1 are still missing as minis ;-)

The more versatile monsters of the dungeons mentioned above:
Fungal Crawler
Homonuculus
Iron Cobra
Giant Scorpion
Decapus
Undine
Water Mephit
Quicklng
Morlock
Yellow Musk Creeper & Zombies
Giant Flytrap
Proteans
Gug

Gug is covered, in the Shattered Star set.


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Daemons could use some love.


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Cleanthes wrote:
Gug is covered, in the Shattered Star set.

Thanks, off to the shoping cart with them.


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Fey, yes :)

And City Dressings:

Fountain
Dog House
Fire Pit
Camp Fire
Well
Street lamps/tourches
Gallows
Stocks
The Wrack
Chopping block
Stage
Statues
Sign posts
Town Crier
City Guards
Weapons Rack
Merchants
Stalls of Food
Etc...

Dark Archive

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2nd more dressings. Also more mounts horse and dog were great but a few of oddballs even if rare would be cool. And figures to represent the pc races. Grippli kitsune way yang those guys please fill in that sort of thing.

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Some great ideas here, folks!


I would suggest Red Mantis Assassin (both male and female) and Grippli Hunter and Swordsman, but I assume they are already in this set and are being previewed next week.

And Cleanthes is right, tracking down the old D&D mini large sized Giant Mantis is awfully hard, would enjoy a new one. Giant Vermin as a whole are woefully represented considering how often they crop up.


Cleanthes wrote:

By all means, spriggans large and small!

Shocker lizards. I can't believe no one's ever made a shocker lizard. Talk about a great common!
A well-sculpted, well-painted dryad would be great, maybe using the art from the 2nd Kingmaker adventure. The new dryad from WotC is an embarrassment, and the old Black Woods Dryad was not what most people think of when they think "dryad".
Again, by all means, more plants. This is the least well-represented class of creatures in pre-paints.
Urdefhans and morlocks. They're a major feature of Serpent's Skull, and they're totally unrepresented in minis.
The soul eater from Kingmaker 3 could be cool.
Ratfolk and grippli. Kitsune. They'd all be very popular.
How about Blackjack? You already have a sculpt with Reaper, right? Plague doctors? Please, please, pretty please, Red Mantis Assassins? Maybe a summonable giant red praying mantis to go with them? (You could then do a green one as a promo, or vice versa.)
A gypsy with a harrow deck could be cool. Especially if could serve plausibly for a harrower as well.
I'd still like to see a PF male drider as well, since they have a different look than old D&D driders.
And thanks as always for asking what we'd like! :-)

More I look at it the more I love this post.


Btw, for what it's worth, I think I just got my hands on a couple of new PF Battles promo repaints in advance of official release, though I won't know for sure till they arrive in the mail! It'll be fun to see if I'm right.

Shadow Lodge

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Promos of......


Erik Mona wrote:
Eviljames wrote:
Any chance of doing more with the unpainted metal line with Reaper? These are nice and all but I'm a painter and I'm not as fond of blind random packs. All that ever seems to get added to Reaper's line are the iconics and one or two npc's from the adventure paths. The black dragon mini has been in limbo for ages. What's up?

Reaper has more stuff in the pipeline! I approved eight figures at the GAMA Trade Show a few weeks back, and they look fantastic.

I think the transition to focusing on Bones and the fulfillment of all those Kickstarters knocked back a lot of Reaper's new minis plans, but they are moving forward and I expect new product to start flowing soon.

That's great to hear. I hope we get a few more metal monsters and humanoids, particularly of some of the more unusual Pathfinder races, like Wayangs and the elemental people, sometime soon. :)


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FattyLumpkin wrote:

City Dressings:

...
Town Crier
City Guards
...
Merchants
...

that's just mean to hard working people ;-)


"The theme of Deadly Foes is high-utility monsters, humanoids, and heroes"

That line there is my favorite part.


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All of these suggestions are cool and all, but I would LOVE to see a MEDIUM owlbear.

And Tup. You can never have too many goblins.

If space allows, a halfling druid (wild whisperer) RIDING a medium owlbear would be cool also (not that I have a character or anything...)


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I don't want to spoil Master Mona's opportunity to reveal the promos himself, so I'll keep my mouth shut for now. No offense meant to anyone!


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With the suggestions others are giving I think Paizo and WizKids could come up with a really nice forest or wilderness theme for a set. I tend to use darker natured fey and have seen others do the same. So even traditionally ally type figures could see some really good use.

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Here is a list of creatures that have NEVER been made into a ppm before (i think), but appear quite often in games and adventures:

SMALL:
-Dog
-Electric Eel
-Cat
-Monkey
-Toad
-Viper
-Weasel
-Homunculus
-Pixie
-Shocker Lizard
-Vegepygmy
-Cassisian Angel
-Attic Whisperer
-Giant Cockroach
-Pugwampi Gremlin
-Grippli
-Kappa
-Ratfolk
-Faerie Dragon
-Zoog (Lovecraft)
-Grey Alien

MEDIUM:
-Basidirond
-Cave Fisher
-Dryad (with light wooden skin and leaf hair)
-Wood Golem
-Giant Leech
-Merfolk (human top, not all blue like MM #17)
-Mohrg
-Morlock
-Nymph
-Pony
-Shadow (2D Silhouette like the Bestiary art)
-Violett Fungus
-Yellow Musk Creeper
-Giant Bee
-Decapus
-Handmaiden Devil
-Giant Fly
-Giant Maggot
-Jellyfish
-Scarecrow (also possible as dungeon dressing)
-Witchfire
-Coloxos Demon
-Contract Devil (Deadly Foes?)
-Jiang-Shi Vampire
-Changeling
-Dimorphodon
-Hastur (Great Old One)
-Kitsune
-Werebat (also great as Vampire hybrid form)
-Samsaran
-Deep One (Lovecraft)
-Deep One Hybrid (Lovecraft)

LARGE:
-Planetar Angel (Deadly Foes?)
-Gorilla
-Assassin Vine
-Ogre Mage Female
-Hill Giant Female
-Rhino (woolly or not)
-Giant Moray Eel
-Pteranodon (reptile, impossible to get in this size and flying)
-Camel
-Giant Jellyfish
-Merrow
-Giant Toad
-Spawn of Yog-sothoth (Lovecraft)
-Polar Bear

PATHFINDER/GOLARION SPECIFIC:
-Drow (Second Darkness art/Demon Lord worshippers)
-Red Mantis Assassin
-Razmir Cultist
-Tengu
-male Drider
-Monkey Goblin (one of the very few cool Goblin minis not yet made)
-Urdefhan (translucent with skeleton inside)
-Strix
-Android
-Aspis Consortium
-Bloatmage
-Gillman
-Gray Gardener
-Hellknight on armored Horse
-Qadiran Horselord
-Old One Cultist
-Pactmaster of Katapesh
-Asmodeus
-Nethys
-Pharasma

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Dungeon Dressings:

-spiral staircase (m or L)
-straight stair (2x1)
-cage (2x2)
-fireplace (2x1)
-grave (2x1)
-bridge (2x1)
-boat (2x1)
-throne (m)
-Guard platform (2x1)
-sewer grate (m)
-altar (2x1)
-tent (2x1)
-portal/gate/doorway (m or L)
-column
-treasure pile (2x2)


Update on the promos I think I got: I do in fact now have 2 repaints of existing minis in hand that have not yet been announced, but I think they're misprints: the bases still have the name and set info for the original minis in the Rusty Dragon set. So I suspect these were rejects that somehow got into the hands of an Ebay seller. Anyway, it'll be nice to find out what I should really call them!

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Cleanthes wrote:
Update on the promos I think I got: I do in fact now have 2 repaints of existing minis in hand that have not yet been announced, but I think they're misprints: the bases still have the name and set info for the original minis in the Rusty Dragon set. So I suspect these were rejects that somehow got into the hands of an Ebay seller. Anyway, it'll be nice to find out what I should really call them!

There have been chinese "unoffical/illegal" repaints on e-bay before.

Which ones are they?
You could put the original # in a spoiler tag.


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Good idea. So here's a

Spoiler Warning:
One of them was a Kobold Devilspeaker, repainted with white scales and a blue robe. The other was a Guard, repainted with a blue uniform, probably to match the City Watch minis we've already received.

Interestingly, the seller I bought from was domestic, so it only took a few days for the minis to reach me. I'm surprised I got them as cheap as I did, too; they went for $1 each. I was sure some of the other minis addicts around here were going to see them and bid them up!

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Cleanthes wrote:

Good idea. So here's a

** spoiler omitted **

Interestingly, the seller I bought from was domestic, so it only took a few days for the minis to reach me. I'm surprised I got them as cheap as I did, too; they went for $1 each. I was sure some of the other minis addicts around here were going to see them and bid them up!

Thank you for the info, these sound cool and congratulations for getting them for that price. :-)

I´m curious about a look at pictures of the paint masters but i don´t think we will see them yet.

Maybe a side by side comparison of one mini that translated very well?

Hopefully we´ll get another mini reveal tomorrow - with D&D kinda copying the "terrain set" from Pathfinder next year, i would like to see what some of the other dressing pieces (besides the great book on a podest) are. ;-)


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For an even bigger spoiler (the images), you can go here:
http://www.pathfinderminis.com/gallery0.htm

The quality of the images aren't really that great, so I don't think I'm ruining Erik's fun for when he posts them :)


Kor - Orc Scrollkeeper wrote:

For an even bigger spoiler (the images), you can go here:

http://www.pathfinderminis.com/gallery0.htm

The quality of the images aren't really that great, so I don't think I'm ruining Erik's fun for when he posts them :)

Yep, them's the ones I bought.

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Are these even official repaints?

They look kinda simple.


I suppose we'll find out from Erik eventually!


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Are these even official repaints?

They look kinda simple.

It looks like they came out of the promo bags. The bags even had their names on them, so I would say yes, these are the official repaints... unofficially :)

The store that sold them is a large retailer of minis, so its unlikely they were trying to scam anyone.

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