Tangent101 |
This is... involved. Heck, I learned new things just by reading the Player's Guide concerning what the numbers on the city ratings mean.
Given that I'm adding "Midnight Isles" and "The Locust Lord" to my Runelords campaign (the group is going to the Isles to learn the location of the Runeforge, and will get involved in the Worldwound problems as a result, and after Karzoug is dead will end up fighting to save Golarion from the Worldwound), it'll likely be two years before my group will be starting a new AP. Even so... this looks like a lot of fun.
What's more, it looks like it'll be right up the alley of my group - one loves diplomacy, another enjoys trade and would love the black market aspects, a third would probably glom onto the Underground Halfling Railroad, and the fourth would just enjoy using Roll20 to give the baddies funny costumes (much as she's currently doing with the Runelords game). Except they'll be funny religious costumes. :D
James Jacobs Creative Director |
Cthulhudrew |
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I like the gist of the Rebellion Advancement. It meshes in a lot of ways with concepts I've been tossing around regarding some kind of "Party Advancement Track" whereby the entire party would be able to benefit from Party feats and the like as they level as a group. Something that really encourages teamwork and cooperation, and away from more individualistic advancement and "leveling in a bubble." I'd have liked to see party Teamwork feats included as options here, but I can understand why they may have not opted to do so.
At the same time though, there seems like a level of complexity that may be just a bit too much involved with this. Perhaps its not as bad as my initial impression, though, and it may end up moving a lot smoother.
MrVergee |
Who is this "Shensen" mentioned on page 13 of the Players Guide? ;-)
Her name immediately made me think of Shensen Tesseril, a female half-drow bard/druid/monk from the Shackled City AP. She's in Flood Season, in Dungeon #98 on p. 38-39, an adventure written by a certain James Jacobs. Some groups even gave her a recurring role in their game, making her an NPC ally or maybe even a replacement PC. Maybe Mr. Jacobs can lift a tip of the veil ...
Nullpunkt |
Well, the pathfinderwiki lists her as an aquatic half-elf so while it might be a nod to that character, I doubt that it's the same one.
logic_poet |
James Jacobs wrote:She's absolutely a halfling, and no, the pictures are not to scale—they're presented in a way that makes the cover look balanced.Who is this "Shensen" mentioned on page 13 of the Players Guide? ;-)
Does she play a further role in "Hell´s Rebel´s?
The backstory text and statblock appear on pages 57-58 of PZO9219, NPC Guide. She's James Jacobs's character, and the no-last-name version really is a former drow aquatic half-elf bard 8 / fighter 4 who worships Sarenrae and wields a scimitar.
Axym |
The blurb about Milani and giving characters boons... how does that work exactly? Or where I can read more information on that? This will be my first AP as a DM and so if this additional information is coming out with the first book, great, but otherwise I would like to know as my players seem to be rather fond of Milani as their patron deity.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
Marco Massoudi wrote:Who is this "Shensen" mentioned on page 13 of the Players Guide? ;-)Her name immediately made me think of Shensen Tesseril, a female half-drow bard/druid/monk from the Shackled City AP. She's in Flood Season, in Dungeon #98 on p. 38-39, an adventure written by a certain James Jacobs. Some groups even gave her a recurring role in their game, making her an NPC ally or maybe even a replacement PC. Maybe Mr. Jacobs can lift a tip of the veil ...
Which was, of course, the first time I used her in print. Back then, she was still an active PC; the version of her in Pathfinder is more accurate to how she ended up.
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Wait... former drow? How does that work?
Yup. When I was playing Shensen in Jason Nelson's post-apocalyptic Forgotten Realms game several years ago... she at one point ended up getting killed (probably by a gorilla or some other monster with rend), and at the time, the only option available was reincarnation, so I took it. Went from drow to half-aquatic elf, and since I was about 18th level at the time, that change was actually quite nice because I lost my ECL penalty and suddenly gained a few levels... (one of the weird things about ECL is that the higher it is, the more behind and less powerful you get at higher levels when compared to other PCs since the boons you get from a high ECL are good at low level but become increasingly non-issues as you gain levels).
But yeah. Reincarnate. Which made me and Jason have to puzzle out exactly what happens when a drow goes to half-elf... what parts of their abilities are based on drow biology and what parts are based on the mind, which is retained when you reincarnate? Weird stuff!
James Jacobs Creative Director |
The blurb about Milani and giving characters boons... how does that work exactly? Or where I can read more information on that? This will be my first AP as a DM and so if this additional information is coming out with the first book, great, but otherwise I would like to know as my players seem to be rather fond of Milani as their patron deity.
Inner Sea Gods is the book you want to check out for full rules on boons and obediences.
Tonlim |
The blurb about Milani and giving characters boons... how does that work exactly? Or where I can read more information on that? This will be my first AP as a DM and so if this additional information is coming out with the first book, great, but otherwise I would like to know as my players seem to be rather fond of Milani as their patron deity.
I certainly reccommend getting your hands in Inner Sea Gods if you are the least bit interested in Pathfinder deities, since it's a great read, but if you only want to know about how to get the boons see here: Deific Obedience.
Axym |
Axym wrote:The blurb about Milani and giving characters boons... how does that work exactly? Or where I can read more information on that? This will be my first AP as a DM and so if this additional information is coming out with the first book, great, but otherwise I would like to know as my players seem to be rather fond of Milani as their patron deity.I certainly reccommend getting your hands in Inner Sea Gods if you are the least bit interested in Pathfinder deities, since it's a great read, but if you only want to know about how to get the boons see here: Deific Obedience.
Thanks!
AlgaeNymph |
"Chaotic good empyreal lords are more common than others, but of them all, Arshea, Ragathiel, and Seramaydiel are the most widespread in Kintargo[.]"
It bears mentioning that Arshea and Seramaydiel are neutral good, and Ragathiel is both lawful good and possessing an obedience that's less-than-optimal in an urban campaign -- unless the rebellion measures it's success in dead bodies.
"Three-Legged Devil: This venue is Kintargo’s oldest dance hall."
Dance hall, or "dance hall?" If the latter, then the Arsheans'll certainly have a venue to work from. ;)
"The odor and flavor of mint is an abomination to the refined palate. Be not the cretin! Mint use in candies, drinks, and all manner of confections is hereby proscribed."
Either he's bonkers, or he sees certain prominent confectioners as subversives and he's bonkers.
Captain K. |
Yes, Ragathiel's obeidence is pretty severe. Kill a fool every day. Probably doable if you are jumping down the Worldwound but not great for Urban campaign and especially this one which game events happen every week. Lawful Good or not, it makes you an unrepentant mass murderer whichever way you look at it.
Superb bonuses though.
On the other hand, the new Milani Obeidience is pathetically easy, and one I do every day anyway in real life. A PC can fulfil the requirements by drinking a cup of nice tea.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
"Chaotic good empyreal lords are more common than others, but of them all, Arshea, Ragathiel, and Seramaydiel are the most widespread in Kintargo[.]"
It bears mentioning that Arshea and Seramaydiel are neutral good, and Ragathiel is both lawful good and possessing an obedience that's less-than-optimal in an urban campaign -- unless the rebellion measures it's success in dead bodies.
True, but overall, chaotic good empyreal lords as a whole are still more common. The three non-chaotci good ones mentioned are the ones who aren't chaotic good who are most likely to be worshiped in Kintargo is all.
"Three-Legged Devil: This venue is Kintargo’s oldest dance hall."
Dance hall, or "dance hall?" If the latter, then the Arsheans'll certainly have a venue to work from. ;)
That's more or less left deliberately to each GM to interpret. That said... we've never shied away from using the word "brothel" in the AP line, so as intended... it is indeed a place to go dancing.
"The odor and flavor of mint is an abomination to the refined palate. Be not the cretin! Mint use in candies, drinks, and all manner of confections is hereby proscribed."
Either he's bonkers, or he sees certain prominent confectioners as subversives and he's bonkers.
I would hope that a perusal of the other proclamations he makes would be enough to drive home the point that he's bonkers... but ALSO he likes to make life deliberately uncomfortable for others in subversive, almost subliminal ways. If, for example, you know that one of your players is a HUGE fan of anise or chocolate or some other candy flavor... you should ABSOLUTELY change mint to that flavor.
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Yes, Ragathiel's obeidence is pretty severe. Kill a fool every day. Probably doable if you are jumping down the Worldwound but not great for Urban campaign and especially this one which game events happen every week. Lawful Good or not, it makes you an unrepentant mass murderer whichever way you look at it.
Superb bonuses though.
On the other hand, the new Milani Obeidience is pathetically easy, and one I do every day anyway in real life. A PC can fulfil the requirements by drinking a cup of nice tea.
Turns out, Milani is a MUCH NICER PERSON than Ragathiel. Who's kind of a jerk.
nilesr |
Milani is my third favorite diety in Golarion, behind only Sarenrae and Shelyn. I'm stoked to see she gets a prime spot in this AP.
Sarenrae and Shelyn would both be awesome picks for divine focused characters also imho.
I don't get the attraction people have to the Empyreal Lords and Ragathiel in particular....