Changes Are A'Coming and Gen Con Volunteers Still Needed!

Well summarized, sir.

Thanks for the update. Very exciting stuff all around.

Each novel *will have a boon...

One time complete character rebuild. Dang, how I would love to have one of those.

Any idea when Reign of Winter will be cleared for PFS?

Any idea when Reign of Winter will be cleared for PFS? [/QUOTE

It already is according to Additional Resources. ]

Any idea when Reign of Winter will be cleared for PFS?

The first 2 books are, and the third one will probably be right around street date (April 24th IIRC). They update the Additional Resources page once a month after the monthly releases hit the shelves.

Double assign!!

"...she can assign assign to one of her characters."

Thanks for doing the live interview guys. It was fun to listen. I'm excited to see where my shadow lodge character will go.

Wow, the Omni. Are all the volunteers going to be there or just the Adventure Card game ones?

Just the two rooms for Pathfinder Adventure Card Game.

I already miss my faction. ;_;

Grog miss it also. Perhaps Torch and Countess go together?

Aaaaaaa! Two characters about to be "Factionless" :p Hmm, where to go from there? >.<

where is Tier 1 GM duties listed/defined?
EDIT: ooops found it.

Is the Tier 1 spot still available by chance?

Tier 1 GM spot is gone. I still have 4 more Adventure Card Game demo tier 1 spots remaining.

Well done...thank you for posting this.

++would read again. ;-)

I need to say this first boo on tier 3-7 for Way of the Kirin, my only Lantern Lodge character just hit level 8 and my only Shadow Lodge is now retired so, oh well.

Now what factions to pick for them.

I need to say this first boo on tier 3-7 for Way of the Kirin, my only Lantern Lodge character just hit level 8 and my only Shadow Lodge is now retired so, oh well.

Now what factions to pick for them.

While it didn't sound completely decided, on the podcast they did discuss the possibility of GM credit being applied to an out of tier character to allow them to get the boon for the faction.

does the podcast explain why those 2 factions are getting phased out?

does the podcast explain why those 2 factions are getting phased out?

Insufficiently active membership. Or just insufficient membership.

Awesome

previously--the novel boons could be applied to each of your characters. it sounds like now it can only be applied to one character--just making sure I'm understanding correctly, since I usually do buy those?

previously--the novel boons could be applied to each of your characters. it sounds like now it can only be applied to one character--just making sure I'm understanding correctly, since I usually do buy those?

As I understand it, yes, but you wont need to apply it until you need it, from my understanding of the discussion. And it doesn't matter if you apply them to four different characters when it comes to qualifying for the Bonus.

I'm pretty excited about most of the changes, though I am hopeful that a better solution is found for the wealth issue. With that being said, I'm SUPER excited that previous AP's are being sanctioned. I have an RotRL group going now, and its great knowing that when it is done, we'll have a lot more options to choose from in deciding what we want to do next for credit. Two thumbs up!

With that being said, I'm SUPER excited that previous AP's are being sanctioned. I have an RotRL group going now, and its great knowing that when it is done, we'll have a lot more options to choose from in deciding what we want to do next for credit. Two thumbs up!

Yeah, while I've been one of the dissenters on the WBL brainstorming thread, I am definitely remiss (my bad) for not making clear that I am not at all unhappy with the other proposed changes. Especially alteration of the faction missions — anything that serves to make them less intrusive is, JMSO, a Good Thing [tm].

Although I didn't have any characters in those two factions, I'm sad to see them go. They seem more interesting to me than some of the "Inner Sea nation" factions as far as character concept and role-playing are concerned. I can understand the need for parsimony, though - this is probably good news for those writing the scenarios.

On the other hand, the upcoming changes to the Tales' boons (getting something permanent or semi-permanent after crediting all four novels on that sheet) sound intriguing, especially since I've read all but two of them at this point.

Is there a thread that expands on the faction mission changes? I've run 'The Disapered' and short of one faction all had standard faction quests. How will the mission objectives be relayed to the players? Will only some factions have missions while others just get 2 PP?

Well that certainly sucks. The Lantern Lodge was a great way to justify playing a Tien Xia race in the Inner Sea.

I just really got into Pathfinder Society, and I bought the Pathfinder Society Field Guide last week from my local gaming store. It's a great resource, but is that book going to still be valid after the summer? I'd hate to think I wasted my money on it :(

P.S. The Shadow Lodge is pretty awesome. My character was built around what that faction represents. Being new to PFS, I'm sad that I only have a few months to be apart of it.

No, it should be good still, though obviously the sections pertaining to those factions will change as they will no longer be an applicable choice.

Just as Seekers of Secrets was essentially replaced by the Field Guide, I imagine this too shall pass. But that doesn't mean the book becomes useless, it just means it won't be part of the core assumption. I assume. (Eventually.)

All I'm going to say is: *thumbs up*

Will let the rest work itself out in due time.

doc the grey wrote:

does the podcast explain why those 2 factions are getting phased out?

Insufficiently active membership. Or just insufficient membership.

This, in part, but also the fact that the Shadow Lodge was the theme for Season 2 and Lantern Lodge was part of the Season 3 theme.

doc the grey wrote:

does the podcast explain why those 2 factions are getting phased out?

Insufficiently active membership. Or just insufficient membership.

that seems odd, I know several people who have several characters in those factions, so much to the point that I'd say they've quickly become two of the most popular factions since they began... at least amongst the people I game with. But I guess I don't see the big ol' picture of what actually gets reported. still, this came as quite a shock.

Someone once asked me how to kill off a person's character in a home game. I told them to make it seem like it was the players choice(illusion of choice), and make it epic. PFS is telling us a story and I feel that they are trying to tell us the best story they can that we are involved with. There were several claims that what we did would effect it. All they have to do now is make it an epic ending and we should accept it. Nothing lasts forever. People die, factions fade, and empires fall. That is all part of the story.

Members of eliminated factions will be able to join one of the eight remaining factions at no cost of Prestige Points, and must do so by August 14, 2013.

Our characters are still playing through season 3. Will we get to continue playing our character through to the faction finales in season 4? OR will we have to change factions by August 14th, regardless of where we are in the story?

Our characters are still playing through season 3. Will we get to continue playing our character through to the faction finales in season 4? OR will we have to change factions by August 14th, regardless of where we are in the story?

For PFS organized play, all characters must have switched by Aug 14th.

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Members of eliminated factions will be able to join one of the eight remaining factions at no cost of Prestige Points, and must do so by August 14, 2013.

Our characters are still playing through season 3. Will we get to continue playing our character through to the faction finales in season 4? OR will we have to change factions by August 14th, regardless of where we are in the story?

Members of eliminated factions will be able to join one of the eight remaining factions at no cost of Prestige Points, and must do so by August 14, 2013.

NashNova wrote:

Our characters are still playing through season 3. Will we get to continue playing our character through to the faction finales in season 4? OR will we have to change factions by August 14th, regardless of where we are in the story?

For PFS organized play, all characters must have switched by Aug 14th.

... so contact your local event coordinators to make sure they schedule the wrap-up scenarios before then, and make sure your LL/SL characters can play in a 3-7 scenario!

For PFS organized play, all characters must have switched by Aug 14th.

So we have to get our GMs to skip to season 4 so we can at least play through it with these factions while we can. It's annoying, but I hope we get to do that.

Thanks everyone!!! :)

Welp good news is I get to make a Grippli, and it will be awesome. Bad news is that it isn't a Kobold. Oh well, next year, next year the Kobold's shall rise a character race. Of this I am certain.

In all seriousness I would probably be willing to give up all the swag I'm getting as a tier one GM to be able to play a Kobold. Thankfully the Grippli is like the second coolest race in the ARG.

Mike, I am still on the Tier 1 waiting list, right?

Aaaaaaa! Two characters about to be "Factionless" :p Hmm, where to go from there? >.<

Just two? I have four characters, two lantern (kitsune and nagaji) and two shadow (halfling and fetchling) Therefore I need to both run and play in both of these scenarios. I have a feeling these will be scheduled a lot at our local games.

What faction works better for a character *from* the shadow plane than the *shadow lodge*? Still have no idea who he'll go to. sczarni or grand, even though grand lodge is the most boring for faction politics

I get that the lantern lodge isn't really needed any more, but now my kitsune doesn't have much of a reason to stay in pfs. I'll have to work on her story a little. I wish my nagaji was higher level and had more prestige to take advantage of the "master" title before Season 5.

I've got two Lantern Lodge characters (one a Kitsune; one a bodyguard for my wife's Lantern Lodge kitsune), and one Shadow Lodge.

What to do with those characters is a problem; I'm really not all that interested in overly nationalistic politics, so that pretty much rules out Osirian, Andoran, or Taldor. And while my character's aren't as squeaky-clean as the Silver Crusade might like, they're mostly not going to be too interested in the moral positions espoused by the Sczarni or Cheliax camps. So that leaves me with Qadira (somewhat nationalistic, but sufficiently pragmatic for me to be able to live with it), or the rather unsatisfactory fall-back answer of Grand Lodge.

We'll see what "Rivalry's End" brings, but at this point I am if anything less inclined to trust the Decemvirate than I was when I created my first (Shadow Lodge) character; I really wish there were a "none of the above" checkbox for faction selection.

I am not too happy about this. My Lantern Lodge character is 8th, so cannot play in the wrap-up mods. Also, my group has two other Lantern Lodge members, and a few Shadow Lodge members. So this is going to annoy all of us. Worse, the Lantern Lodge characters are all going to be out of range by the time these modules are available for general release. It really bothers me that there wasn't more lead-up on this. Worse, I think some of these characters are going to basically vanish, because they don't fit into the other factions. Where was the input collected, only major cons? I would have thought that a company so tech involved might have polled the membership via internet rather than polls at cons.

As for the novels changes, I don't own any of the novels, so those changes won't affect me as much.

EDIT: Okay, Way of the Kirin comes available at the end of May, so maybe some of my group will be okay, but my LL character is not. I hope that "apply boon as GM credit" does come through, or they get a bit more flexible with the levels, otherwise I can see many LL/SL characters getting boned.

I've got two Lantern Lodge characters (one a Kitsune; one a bodyguard for my wife's Lantern Lodge kitsune), and one Shadow Lodge.

What to do with those characters is a problem; I'm really not all that interested in overly nationalistic politics, so that pretty much rules out Osirian, Andoran, or Taldor. And while my character's aren't as squeaky-clean as the Silver Crusade might like, they're mostly not going to be too interested in the moral positions espoused by the Sczarni or Cheliax camps. So that leaves me with Qadira (somewhat nationalistic, but sufficiently pragmatic for me to be able to live with it), or the rather unsatisfactory fall-back answer of Grand Lodge.

We'll see what "Rivalry's End" brings, but at this point I am if anything less inclined to trust the Decemvirate than I was when I created my first (Shadow Lodge) character; I really wish there were a "none of the above" checkbox for faction selection.

Given that the factions will be playing much less of a role in the future with regards to player-specific progression, you can probably use Grand Lodge as a "none of the above" option, anyway.

Where was the input collected, only major cons? I would have thought that a company so tech involved might have polled the membership via internet rather than polls at cons.

Input was likely collected from the entire PFS population using the chronicle recording process. It's pretty much the entire reason why its required to record which character is part of which faction.

Where was the input collected, only major cons? I would have thought that a company so tech involved might have polled the membership via internet rather than polls at cons.

The goal, AFAIK, was to have the decision be based on the successful completion of faction missions for Season 4 scenarios, so polling wouldn't really work.

The thing that annoys me most is that from the podcast it appears that the decision, at least as far as the Shadow Lodge was concerned, was pretty much taken back in December. So apparently completing faction missions in scenarios released (or even simply played) after the first few months didn't count.

The folks at Paizo might play the scenarios within a month of their being released, but most of us don't. In fact around here it's quite common for most players to wait until con season starts (February, in our case) before tackling many current scenarios (not least because the GMs play the scenarios at a con, then come back and run the table for everybody else). Add to that the fact that Season 4 was designed for tables of 6, which can be hard to put together at a game store. While there was scaling to accommodate a 4-player table that didn't always work too well, and wasn't even an option for 5 players. The increased challenge could also make things very difficult characters who would have to play up to get a seat at the table.
With all that (and early reports that some of the first season 4 scenarios were leading to TPKs), there were quite a lot of players taking a "wait and see" attitude during those first few months.