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Mythic Adventures

Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Just over a week ago, at Gen Con, we announced the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game hardcover book due to come out next August: Mythic Adventures. Since then, there has been a fury of speculation and excitement about this book, so I thought I would give a recap of what we’ve said so far about this new addition to the game.

What is mythic?

The mythic rules offer a new way to play Pathfinder. It uses all the rules that you are familiar with, but it adds a new layer to the game. Mythic adventurers are elevated above their non-mythic counterparts, gaining powers and abilities beyond their reach that allow them to take on tougher foes and more daunting challenges. A mythic character takes on the agents of deities, rushes headlong into the abyss, and strives to build a legend, all while facing off against a wide variety of foes, from common monsters to other mythic characters. If Elric, Fafhrd, Gray Mouser, Hercules, or King Arthur were created in Pathfinder, they would be mythic characters.

Is this a replacement for epic rules?

Mythic is not epic. You can use the mythic rules with 1st-level characters just as easily as you can with 20th-level characters. You can even use the mythic rules to continue to grow in power once your PCs reach 20th level, taking on some of the toughest adversaries in the game, from ancient dragons to demon lords. Meanwhile a low-level mythic character might take on monsters that you are already familiar with, at a level where non-mythic characters would face certain doom.

So, how does mythic work?

Each mythic character must select a mythic path, which defines some of the powers and abilities he gains, in addition to a few features gained by all mythic characters. As a character advances, his mythic tier might increase. Starting at 1st tier, a mythic character is quite a bit more resilient and can draw upon his mythic power to accomplish incredible deeds. Once he reaches 10th tier (the upper limit of mythic power), he is an unstoppable force, akin to a demigod in some respects.

Mythic tiers are not gained by accumulating experience points. Instead, a mythic character has to accomplish a specific number of deeds to achieve the next tier of mythic power. Using this system, your mythic tier is not tied to your character level. You still gain XP as normal, still gain levels as normal, but occasionally you might increase your mythic tier as well, adding a few new mythic abilities and powers to your character.

It is important to note that while mythic rules add to the game, they do not necessarily make the game more complex.

What are the mythic paths?

The rules currently include six paths for a mythic character to choose from. Each path offers a unique set of abilities to choose from, as well as some abilities that appear in more than one path. The paths you can choose from are as follows:

Archmage: Master of arcane magic, able to call upon his mythic power to cast extra spells, penetrate defenses, and even cast greater versions of existing spells.

Champion: Unequalled in his skill with weapons and styles of fighting. The champion can call upon his mythic power to make devastating attacks, quickly move across any battlefield, and strike many foes with a single swing.

Hierophant: In tune with the gods, be they deities or the spirits of the natural world, the hierophant is the master of divine magic. The hierophant can heal even the most deadly wounds, bring back allies from the dead, and wield the power of the gods.

Marshal: A leader of unparalleled vision, the marshal elevates those around him, granting powerful abilities and bonuses to his allies, even if they are not mythic themselves. Entire armies flock to his banner, and his close friends find his council invaluable.

Trickster: The master of many deceptions, the trickster can influence the world around him in both subtle ways (with a smile) and more direct ways (with a dagger in the back).

Warden: Few can withstand the sort of punishment that the warden takes regularly. No foe frightens this warrior, because he knows that no blow could possibly lay him low. The warden uses his resiliency to protect his allies, the people around him, and the lands he calls home.

What else will be in Mythic Adventures?

In short, everything you need to add mythic rules to your game. The book will contain the mythic paths, deeds, feats, spells, magic items, artifacts, monsters, and a short sample adventure to get you started. In addition, Mythic Adventures will include plenty of tips and advice for playing a mythic character and running a mythic campaign. It will also feature ways that you can add mythic rules to your existing campaign, even if it’s only for an adventure or two.

Mythic monsters?

Oh yes. There will be mythic monsters. This book will include a selection of monsters, from upgrades of existing beasts, such as the mythic minotaur and medusa, to entirely new creations. In addition, there will be a number of simple templates and rules to allow a GM to make any monster mythic. There are also going to be a number of other toys to go in the GMs toolbox to help make a game that can challenge such powerful characters.

Can I have it NOW?

Not quite yet. Mythic Adventures will be released at Gen Con 2013, but you’ll get a chance to play with the rules well before that. We will be releasing a select portion of the rules set, to give you a chance to play with the rules, tell us what works and what needs work. This playtest will hopefully get underway by the end of September, but we will make sure to give you a firm date as soon as we have one. Until then, I want to leave you with this one little mythic rule for you to chew on.

Amazing Initiative (Ex): At 2nd tier, a mythic character gains a +20 mythic bonus on his initiative checks. In addition, he can spend one use of his mythic power each round to take an additional turn, treating his initiative for this second turn as his initiative roll without the +20 mythic bonus. Using this ability is a free action that must be decided at the end of his first action during the round.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer

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Will we be seeing Mythic Versions of the Words of Power spell system? I know it might be a stretch but I know there are people who do like the system (other than myself), and it might pay to get some extra words in to the system.


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That wouůd definitely be nice, even if it was just a web enhancement.


drumming across back of Mythic Playtest's car seat

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Did I somehow miss the download for the play test on these rules or are we still in the waiting period?


Vexous wrote:
Did I somehow miss the download for the play test on these rules or are we still in the waiting period?

Paizo usually anounces that kind of stuff via e-mail. It was anounced for late september so its probably this Desing Tuesday.

Yawar


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Looks like we won't see the playtest in September. Hopefully October...


James mentioned that Jason's new target date is early October. So not necessarily next week but I imagine it will be soon.

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On Facebook Jason said he was getting close to being done and then it goes to editing and layout which take about 2 weeks.


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Awwww :(

I wanted to start a mythic campaign next weekend.

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I wanted to start a mythic campaign *this* weekend :(

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I wanted to start last weekend!

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I did start a mythic campaign three weeks ago!

:P


Guys, it looks like Mythic is something you add to an existing campaign anyway. If it is, you can start your campaign now! That's what I did.

I'm gonna get in on the playtest this time around... I'll probably create a thread for my test and just live in it.

I do so hate the transformation of the forums during playtests.


With PMs now, would it be possible to just send the devs our results? Beats getting lost in all the hate threads.


At this point I don't have high hopes for Mythic Adventures. It just seems to have come out left field all of a sudden. I am not one of the mindless zombies that feed their money to the endless machine before I know anything about it. I'm not that brainwashed.

Silver Crusade

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SuperSlayer wrote:
I'm not that brainwashed.

Luckily, you're a vocal minority ;-)


Gorbacz wrote:
SuperSlayer wrote:
I'm not that brainwashed.
Luckily, you're a vocal minority ;-)

Feel free to feed the cult.

I actually have thoughts, opinions and feelings.... not just blind robotic impulses.


SuperSlayer wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
SuperSlayer wrote:
I'm not that brainwashed.
Luckily, you're a vocal minority ;-)

Feel free to feed the cult.

I actually have thoughts, opinions and feelings.... not just blind robotic impulses.

To me, it seems like you're following some sort of robotic impulse that requires you to call people mindless zombies so you can validate yourself, lol.

If you don't trust Paizo enough to think that they can come up with a good product that's fine. Just don't go around acting like you're superior to the people who are excited about this.


Indeed. I don't have any opinions on Mythic Adventures. That's what the playtest is for. Check it out, make criticisms, hopefully help guide it to become better. I don't have the blind impulse to love it and I don't have the blind impulse to hate it. Nor do I have the blind impulse to make judgements and insults on people I don't even see face to face (let alone those I do).


Bah, didn't edit my post fast enough. Oh well, not point in continuing anyway because this seems like the kind of pointless insults and negativity that will attract moderator deletes, lol.

Shadow Lodge

SuperSlayer wrote:
At this point I don't have high hopes for Mythic Adventures.

I'm so glad you will be able to save that money.


TOZ wrote:
SuperSlayer wrote:
At this point I don't have high hopes for Mythic Adventures.
I'm so glad you will be able to save that money.

I need more info on an Epic levels book.

Grand Lodge

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Well, they should certainly give more info before you buy it, so I think that is pretty win/win over all.


SuperSlayer wrote:
TOZ wrote:
SuperSlayer wrote:
At this point I don't have high hopes for Mythic Adventures.
I'm so glad you will be able to save that money.
I need more info on an Epic levels book.

This should get you some of the info you might be interested in. Courtesy of Tels. This was taking from GenCon this year about Mythic Adventures.


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I'd say the writing for this book has been on the wall a long time...developers have often complained that some sort of mythic/epic rules were needed so they can use Demon Lords, etc in the game. This is their solution


Odraude wrote:
SuperSlayer wrote:
TOZ wrote:
SuperSlayer wrote:
At this point I don't have high hopes for Mythic Adventures.
I'm so glad you will be able to save that money.
I need more info on an Epic levels book.
This should get you some of the info you might be interested in. Courtesy of Tels. This was taking from GenCon this year about Mythic Adventures.

So unfortunately this is what we're are getting instead of an Epic levels book. myth·i·cal   /ˈmɪθɪkəl/ Show Spelled[mith-i-kuhl] Show IPA

adjective
1. pertaining to, of the nature of, or involving a myth.
2. dealt with in myth, as a prehistoric period.
3. dealing with myths, as writing.
4. existing only in myth, as a person.
5. without foundation in fact; imaginary; fictitious: The explanation was entirely mythical

Is this a replacement for epic rules?
Mythic is not epic. You can use the mythic rules with 1st-level characters just as easily as you can with 20th-level characters. You can even use the mythic rules to continue to grow in power once your PCs reach 20th level, taking on some of the toughest adversaries in the game, from ancient dragons to demon lords. Meanwhile a low-level mythic character might take on monsters that you are already familiar with, at a level where non-mythic characters would face certain doom

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SuperSlayer wrote:
Odraude wrote:
SuperSlayer wrote:
TOZ wrote:
SuperSlayer wrote:
At this point I don't have high hopes for Mythic Adventures.
I'm so glad you will be able to save that money.
I need more info on an Epic levels book.
This should get you some of the info you might be interested in. Courtesy of Tels. This was taking from GenCon this year about Mythic Adventures.

So unfortunately this is what we're are getting instead of an Epic levels book. myth·i·cal   /ˈmɪθɪkəl/ Show Spelled[mith-i-kuhl] Show IPA

adjective
1. pertaining to, of the nature of, or involving a myth.
2. dealt with in myth, as a prehistoric period.
3. dealing with myths, as writing.
4. existing only in myth, as a person.
5. without foundation in fact; imaginary; fictitious: The explanation was entirely mythical

Is this a replacement for epic rules?
Mythic is not epic. You can use the mythic rules with 1st-level characters just as easily as you can with 20th-level characters. You can even use the mythic rules to continue to grow in power once your PCs reach 20th level, taking on some of the toughest adversaries in the game, from ancient dragons to demon lords. Meanwhile a low-level mythic character might take on monsters that you are already familiar with, at a level where non-mythic characters would face certain doom

Pretty much yeah. Forgotten Realms was full of NPCs and people that did crazy things, Chosen of Mystra for example. Epic Rules seemed to be nothing more than just more numbers to put on your character.

Mythic Rules seems to be Paizo attempts to create characters that Legends will be spoken of. People who are Mythic are the people that Bed Time Stories are told about. The bravery of Sir Reginald, the leadership of Malos, the Mage of White Mists' adherence to her morals etc.

Mythic Rules will be the Prince Charmings, the Boogeymen and the Robin Hoods people use to raise their children with one day.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion Subscriber

Q: What do Epic rules allow you to do?

- fight demon lords, dragon kings and gods

Q: What will Mythic rules allow you to do?

- fight demon lords, dragon kings and gods

I'm having trouble finding the difference here.

Grand Lodge

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Here it is!

Quote:

Q: What do Epic rules allow you to do?

Be 21st level.

Q: What will Mythic rules allow you to do?

Be 20th level with 1 Mythic Tier.


SuperSlayer wrote:
Odraude wrote:
SuperSlayer wrote:
TOZ wrote:
SuperSlayer wrote:
At this point I don't have high hopes for Mythic Adventures.
I'm so glad you will be able to save that money.
I need more info on an Epic levels book.
This should get you some of the info you might be interested in. Courtesy of Tels. This was taking from GenCon this year about Mythic Adventures.

So unfortunately this is what we're are getting instead of an Epic levels book. myth·i·cal   /ˈmɪθɪkəl/ Show Spelled[mith-i-kuhl] Show IPA

adjective
1. pertaining to, of the nature of, or involving a myth.
2. dealt with in myth, as a prehistoric period.
3. dealing with myths, as writing.
4. existing only in myth, as a person.
5. without foundation in fact; imaginary; fictitious: The explanation was entirely mythical

Is this a replacement for epic rules?
Mythic is not epic. You can use the mythic rules with 1st-level characters just as easily as you can with 20th-level characters. You can even use the mythic rules to continue to grow in power once your PCs reach 20th level, taking on some of the toughest adversaries in the game, from ancient dragons to demon lords. Meanwhile a low-level mythic character might take on monsters that you are already familiar with, at a level where non-mythic characters would face certain doom

It won't have many of the math issues that 21+ level play brings with it. Many of the boons you gain as a mythic character won't be numerical (for example, like having +10 to a stat or something) and some will remove penalties or some of the math, like a Mythic Fighter's precision which removes the -5 on an iterative attack. In addition, you'll be able to do this mythic play at any level, from 1 to 20. That means that players don't have to worry about waiting 20 levels and GMs don't have to start everyone at 20 right off the bat. It can also be applied to monsters to have that legendary 'solo boss fight' possible. They'll also have monsters stated up for Mythic as well as a scenario.

Here's the recording of the Gencon seminar. Remember that nothing's final and things may change depending on the playtest.

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SuperSlayer, I think you need to read the text that's underneath the text box every time you reply on these boards:

The most important rule: Don't be a jerk. We want our messageboards
to be a fun and friendly place.

Calling other people "mindless zombies" and "brainwashed" is a jerk thing to do.

Silver Crusade

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Sean K Reynolds wrote:

SuperSlayer, I think you need to read the text that's underneath the text box every time you reply on these boards:

The most important rule: Don't be a jerk. We want our messageboards
to be a fun and friendly place.

Calling other people "mindless zombies" and "brainwashed" is a jerk thing to do.

For the record, calling me a brainless bag of teeth is cool with me, but other bags might react otherwise. Exercise caution, always approach with a tasty snack. Don't provoke. Don't blink.

Shadow Lodge

Gorbacz wrote:
For the record, calling me a brainless bag of teeth is cool with me,

That's because it's the truth, not being a jerk.


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SuperSlayer wrote:
At this point I don't have high hopes for Mythic Adventures. It just seems to have come out left field all of a sudden. I am not one of the mindless zombies that feed their money to the endless machine before I know anything about it. I'm not that brainwashed.

I'll add that this is anything but sudden.

Anyone who's googled "Pathfinder Epic" in the last three years has found threads where the mods discussed exactly this, including the use of the word "mythic" as an alternative over a year ago. This was all public. And deliberately slow in the process.

A money grab this was not. Well, not more than any commercial product must be. All of those threads are crawling with devs saying "we'll only do it if the demand is there."


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So what are we looking at, a couple weeks till playtest?

I needs mah mythic rules! Hype!


Let's all calm down a bit.

SuperSlayer, I don't think anyone here was meaning to pick a fight with you. The way you phrased your initial statement did seem a little like an accusation of fanboyism; the responders, myself included, are just being defensive.

The Mythic rules will almost certainly end up on the PRD for free, so even if you don't buy them you can use them. In light of that, you might want to tone down the rhetoric a bit.


Ok Ok Ok I get the point I was hardcore. I'll just shut up and everyone will be happy. I will say tho I am an extremely creative person. I have a sharp eagle eye on Paizo, and I am watching their every move. I am eager to see how the puzzle pieces fall sharply into place.

Grand Lodge

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SuperSlayer wrote:
Ok Ok Ok I get the point I was hardcore. I'll just shut up and everyone will be happy. I will say tho I am an extremely creative person. I have a sharp eagle eye on Paizo, and I am watching their every move. I am eager to see how the puzzle pieces fall sharply into place.

No no, please keep contributing, just try to explain why you don't like it instead of what you think about people that do.


SuperSlayer wrote:


They want these forums as fantasy as the game itself.

No, they just want the forums to be friendly. Now, on to another, more important issue...

Evil Lincoln wrote:


A money grab this was not.

Yoda moment there EL? :D

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