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Pathfinder Battles Preview: Spidery Secrets!

Friday, November 17, 2011

With the very first Pathfinder prepainted miniatures, Pathfinder Beginner Box Heroes, in stores now, interest in the Pathfinder Battles miniatures line has really heated up. Now that many of you have our first four miniatures in hand, it should be clear that WizKids is shooting for very high quality sculpts and paint jobs on all of the Pathfinder Battles miniatures. I think Heroes & Monsters keeps up (and in some cases exceeds) the high quality standards set by Beginner Box Heroes, and in a few short weeks, you’ll be able to see what I’m talking about with your own eyes.

Until then, we’ve got more previews to reveal! The early January release date for Pathfinder Battles Heroes & Monsters is fast approaching, and I find that we’ve pretty much announced all of the 40 miniatures in the set. I wanted to include at least one complete surprise this week, and this penultimate look brings us a single miniature away from a complete set reveal. We’ll get to that last one next week or beyond, but for now, let’s look at some creepy critters from Heroes & Monsters!

First up we have the Giant Spider, a nasty, poisonous fellow who clocks in at the common rarity. Bright red coloration is nature’s way of saying “I’m going to kill you,” and in this regard the Giant Spider is just as deadly as the bright red Venomous Snake we showed off a couple of weeks ago. Don’t forget your antivenom!

This Skeleton makes a good buddy for the Giant Spider, in that they’d both probably feel at home in the same sort of desolate dungeon environments. They also both make excellent adversaries for low-level adventurers. Both of them are commons. Many of the folks here in the office who see the Skeleton say, “wow, he looks just like he stepped out of a Ray Harryhausen movie!” Which is nice to hear, as it’s exactly what we were going for. If you look closely you can see a nice inking effect that WizKids added to the Skeleton’s shield to better sell the wood grain. It looks wonderful in person.

Sure, a Medium Giant Spider is cool, but take it from me. A Large Giant Caveweaver Spider is much, much cooler. This guy absolutely towers over lesser spiders, and he’s even been useful in scaring a few of our “adult” employees who have a very childish reaction to spiders (I’m looking at you, Bulmahn). Heh, heh, heh. Though you can’t quite see it in these photographs, the Giant Caveweaver Spider has a really cool red design on its back that is sure to have your player characters (and Jason Bulmahn) scampering for the exit. Everyone will be glad to hear that this is a rare miniature, so it’ll thankfully be a long time before these guys overrun the Earth.

Lastly, I wanted to provide a group photo of this week’s previews, so you can get a sense of just how huge that Giant Caveweaver Spider really is. Imagine that the Skeleton is the same height as a normal man, and you’ll get a strong idea that messing around with the Giant Caveweaver is a really, really bad idea!

Ok, ok, ok. I hear the skeptics already. There’s nothing terribly revolutionary about spiders and skeletons, no matter how cool they might look.

To which I say, fair enough. So next week, I’m going to show you a Heroes & Monsters figure with a feature unlike anything you’ve seen before in a prepainted miniature! I still can’t believe how awesome and innovative it is, and it’s been sitting on my desk for a month!

As usual, I’ll try to monitor the discussion thread here on the blog. Let me know if there’s anything in particular you’d like to see from the set, and I will make sure we cover it shortly!

Erik Mona
Publisher

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Sczarni

These look great ... but just out of curiosity can someone fill me in on the role the footpads play in construction? Some of the minis have them, some don't and I'm just wondering what determines if they get them or not. Thanks!

Cheliax Contributor

Gully wrote:
These look great ... but just out of curiosity can someone fill me in on the role the footpads play in construction? Some of the minis have them, some don't and I'm just wondering what determines if they get them or not. Thanks!

I'm hoping those little pads will help basing the minis with a little flock that much easier--without having to cover the feet of the mini, or cut it off and re-affix it.

Cheliax

Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Cards, Companion, Maps, Modules, Pawns, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

What about the other goblin sculpts? Can we see those?

...still no gargoyle. Unless that is the fantabulous sculpt you are referring to!?! :)

Sorry I feel so rude for not commenting on the goodies you have shown us today. I love the spiders and cannot wait to use them in my upcoming sessions. The sculpts look mean and I love the paint jobs!! The Skeleton I will need to see up close before I make any judgements. Is it january yet as I simply cannot wait!?!

Paizo Employee Publisher, Chief Creative Officer

The Gargoyle is coming, and he's not the miniature I'm talking about.

The footpads are there to widen the glue points where the miniature touches the base. Take the Skeleton, for instance. Without the pads, he would be glued to the base with his tiny little feet. That's not a lot of glue, so he'd be more likely to pop off the base with a little jostling.

That said, many of the miniatures have wider feet (or no feet at all). Those guys don't have foot pads, because they are not needed.

Shadow Lodge

Mr Mona may we see the GIANTS?


Spiders!


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Love the Caveweaver Spider. I have a player in my regular group who's likely to run screaming from the room when she sees it. :-D

Erik Mona wrote:
I’m looking at you, Bulmahn

Make a Fort save or turn to stone.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Nice wash on the Skeleton. Kudos there!

The spiders are simply awesome. I could see five or six of the Medium Spiders attacking the party, only to bring out the mama Large just when the party thinks they have won the encounter. Bwahaha!

Later,

Mazra


Why do the bases on these minis appear to be so shiny? They look almost reflective, is that how the final mini will be?

Also, when I use minis today, I often write numbers on the bases with marker or paint so I can easily identify individuals in a group of same minis ("Skeleton #2 takes 4 damage."). Will these minis have a built in way of numbering or otherwise marking them? Can I easily write on those shiny bases with a permanent marker?

Taldor

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
cibet44 wrote:

Why do the bases on these minis appear to be so shiny? They look almost reflective, is that how the final mini will be?

Also, when I use minis today, I often write numbers on the bases with marker or paint so I can easily identify individuals in a group of same minis ("Skeleton #2 takes 4 damage."). Will these minis have a built in way of numbering or otherwise marking them? Can I easily write on those shiny bases with a permanent marker?

Hmm, otherwise rub off model decals might work.

Andoran

The Giant Caveweaver Spider wins this preview off. It reminds me of something I heard a lot when Starship Troopers was in theatres: giant insects couldn't physically work because the ratio of legs to body becomes ineffective as it scales up. The way the Giant Caveweaver Spider's abdomen drags behind makes it look like it is at the breaking point of effective legs.

Very intrigued by next week's teaser. I'm hopping the figure has a chest plate that spins to represent battle damage when it gets hit.

Paizo Employee Publisher, Chief Creative Officer

I had a Skeletor that did that, once.

Paizo Employee Publisher, Chief Creative Officer

cibet44 wrote:
Why do the bases on these minis appear to be so shiny? They look almost reflective, is that how the final mini will be?

Most of the reflection has to do with the fact that these minis are being photographed about a foot away from very bright lights. They don't look much different in shinyness to your average DDM mini under normal lighting conditions, though I think it's fair to say it's one "step" shinier.

This is because the bases of Pathfinder Battles miniatures are made from a very rigid, strong plastic. My understanding (and I don't know this for a fact) is that DDM mini bases are composed of the same plastic used for the figures themselves. This means that they can mold the feet to the base (which means no footpads), but it also means that the bases can warp and bend just like droopy swords, which results in some figures that don't stand up very straight.

The harder plastic used on the bases of Pathfinder Battles miniatures is marginally more reflective than the flexible plastic used on the bases of DDM minis, which accounts for the difference you're seeing in the photos we post here on the blog.

cibet44 wrote:
Also, when I use minis today, I often write numbers on the bases with marker or paint so I can easily identify individuals in a group of same minis ("Skeleton #2 takes 4 damage."). Will these minis have a built in way of numbering or otherwise marking them? Can I easily write on those shiny bases with a permanent marker?

I have no idea, honestly, and since we only have one set of final miniatures here, I'm not yet willing to draw on one to find out. You certainly wouldn't want to do it with a standard black sharpie, since black on black wouldn't look very good.

What do you do with D&D minis? I suspect the same option would probably work here. Another idea would be to use small circular labels, either pre-numbered or numbered by hand. I think that would be a nice solution that would leave your minis in more or less "mint" condition, should you ever wish to sell them.


Erik Mona wrote:
cibet44 wrote:
Why do the bases on these minis appear to be so shiny? They look almost reflective, is that how the final mini will be?

Most of the reflection has to do with the fact that these minis are being photographed about a foot away from very bright lights. They don't look much different in shinyness to your average DDM mini under normal lighting conditions, though I think it's fair to say it's one "step" shinier.

This is because the bases of Pathfinder Battles miniatures are made from a very rigid, strong plastic. My understanding (and I don't know this for a fact) is that DDM mini bases are composed of the same plastic used for the figures themselves. This means that they can mold the feet to the base (which means no footpads), but it also means that the bases can warp and bend just like droopy swords, which results in some figures that don't stand up very straight.

The harder plastic used on the bases of Pathfinder Battles miniatures is marginally more reflective than the flexible plastic used on the bases of DDM minis, which accounts for the difference you're seeing in the photos we post here on the blog.

cibet44 wrote:
Also, when I use minis today, I often write numbers on the bases with marker or paint so I can easily identify individuals in a group of same minis ("Skeleton #2 takes 4 damage."). Will these minis have a built in way of numbering or otherwise marking them? Can I easily write on those shiny bases with a permanent marker?

I have no idea, honestly, and since we only have one set of final miniatures here, I'm not yet willing to draw on one to find out. You certainly wouldn't want to do it with a standard black sharpie, since black on black wouldn't look very good.

What do you do with D&D minis? I suspect the same option would probably work here. Another idea would be to use small circular labels, either pre-numbered or numbered by hand. I think that would be a nice solution that would leave your minis in more or less "mint" condition, should you ever...

With the DDMs I use white model paint or (more often) a colored sharpie (a light color white, gray) to just write right on the base.

Since the bases of DDM are the same material as the figure, yes they do drop and wobble, but they also can be written on with markers or paint.

I'm surprised no one at whiz kids has come up with some kind of numbering or lettering scheme built right into the mini so you can easily tell the minis apart. I doubt there are many battles out there that only involve one skeleton or goblin or even ogre.

Grand Lodge

cibet44 wrote:
Erik Mona wrote:
cibet44 wrote:
Why do the bases on these minis appear to be so shiny? They look almost reflective, is that how the final mini will be?

Most of the reflection has to do with the fact that these minis are being photographed about a foot away from very bright lights. They don't look much different in shinyness to your average DDM mini under normal lighting conditions, though I think it's fair to say it's one "step" shinier.

This is because the bases of Pathfinder Battles miniatures are made from a very rigid, strong plastic. My understanding (and I don't know this for a fact) is that DDM mini bases are composed of the same plastic used for the figures themselves. This means that they can mold the feet to the base (which means no footpads), but it also means that the bases can warp and bend just like droopy swords, which results in some figures that don't stand up very straight.

The harder plastic used on the bases of Pathfinder Battles miniatures is marginally more reflective than the flexible plastic used on the bases of DDM minis, which accounts for the difference you're seeing in the photos we post here on the blog.

cibet44 wrote:
Also, when I use minis today, I often write numbers on the bases with marker or paint so I can easily identify individuals in a group of same minis ("Skeleton #2 takes 4 damage."). Will these minis have a built in way of numbering or otherwise marking them? Can I easily write on those shiny bases with a permanent marker?

I have no idea, honestly, and since we only have one set of final miniatures here, I'm not yet willing to draw on one to find out. You certainly wouldn't want to do it with a standard black sharpie, since black on black wouldn't look very good.

What do you do with D&D minis? I suspect the same option would probably work here. Another idea would be to use small circular labels, either pre-numbered or numbered by hand. I think that would be a nice solution that would leave your minis in more or less "mint"

...

I would also encourage you to write your initials on them. I have had a few people at my table say, "This SB isn't mine. Here you go Seth." It'll save your investment.

Taldor

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I just put a dollop of nail laquer on the bottom of mine. :) so far it's been enough.

Andoran

Erik Mona wrote:
I had a Skeletor that did that, once.

All the more reason to make it a standard feature.

Cheliax

Erik Mona wrote:
I had a Skeletor that did that, once.

Did you ever pretend you were He-Man?

Paizo Employee Publisher, Chief Creative Officer

No. I usually pretended to be Faker.

Andoran

I suppose that it might be possible to have too many spiders and skeletons; however, I have yet to see that happen.

I've got a bunch of common minis that I could probably do with less of and which I would GLADLY trade for more skeletons and (especially), more spiders.

And yes, the Large Spider looks particularly tasty ...

Cheliax

Erik Mona wrote:
No. I usually pretended to be Faker.

I always thought Faker was a displaced Gamilon.

Spoiler:
Did I win the thread jack prize for this thread?

Alight, back to these superb minis !! (Tim Hitchock is aware of my near phobia of spiders, suffice to say I did not enlarge the pic of the big momma spider.)

Paizo Employee Publisher, Chief Creative Officer

You certainly win _something_.


Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Hmm, I gotta say I disagree with most of the others in the thread. It looks okay, but the large spider just seems all abdomen (which I realize is realistic, but even so, not really to my tastes.) I definitely dig the Medium size spider though, and I've been jonesing for some good skeletons for a while now. I don't think I've played a campaign in the last year or two that didn't have either zombies or skeletons as one or more of the low level encounters. January can't get here fast enough :)


I like both spiders, but the skeleton? I really don't like the pose...reminds me of a warrior who was just hit by the shock wave of a nuclear bomb...

Sczarni

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Campaign Setting, Companion, Maps, Modules, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber
Zyren Zemerys wrote:
I like both spiders, but the skeleton? I really don't like the pose...reminds me of a warrior who was just hit by the shock wave of a nuclear bomb...

IDK the skelton looks very Harryhausen to me, which is a awesome thing in my opinion

Cheliax

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Lords of Light, look at the size of those spiders. Ariel! Ookla! To the horses!


Paizo Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber
Erik Mona wrote:
... the bases of Pathfinder Battles miniatures are made from a very rigid, strong plastic. My understanding (and I don't know this for a fact) is that DDM mini bases are composed of the same plastic used for the figures themselves. This means that they can mold the feet to the base (which means no footpads), but it also means that the bases can warp and bend just like droopy swords, which results in some figures that don't stand up very straight.

And that, my friends, is well worth any price difference. I am so tired of having to reheat and remold my mini bases, only to have them sit in the car and have the bases turn into Pringles again, and the bigger the mini, the worse it was.

I'm sure many people remember the difficulty of getting the beholder lich to stay flat, or the challenge in getting the griffon calvary not to flop over.


Griffon Cavalry not flop over? Was that possible? I thought it was some kind of intended "action move" :?

Worse was the weapon of the cavalry that looked like the round thing Xena is throwing -_-

Oh and Harryhausen skeletons are cool, but not on my table - it's Clash of the Kingslayers, not Titans!


gbonehead wrote:
I'm sure many people remember the difficulty of getting the beholder lich to stay flat, or the challenge in getting the griffon calvary not to flop over.

I have two of the beholder liches, but I think only one of them has a warped base. Even worse than them are the vampire dire wolves.

Never had the griffon cavalry though.


Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Modules, Tales Subscriber

I love spiders and one of my players HATES them. These look great! I may have to swap some spiders into our game after these arrive, just to weird him out!!

I received my Beginner Box miniatures set over the weekend and I am just WOWed at the detail. WOW, WOW, WOW! They made me just that much more excited for when these arrive. I was going to ask to have them shipped directly to the address where we game (to avoid carrying them to my 3rd floor apt and back down again), but I may have them delivered to my house just so I can get an early look at them!!

AaronT.

Andoran

Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Card Game, Maps, Pawns Subscriber
Jess Door wrote:
I just put a dollop of nail laquer on the bottom of mine. :) so far it's been enough.

That was what my mom did to all my Star Wars figures to keep them identifiable from my friends figures!

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