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Tuesday, August 16, 2011

Just in case you missed the announcements and updates at Gen Con 2011, here's some news on the next few Pathfinder RPG products.

Pathfinder RPG Beginner Box


Pawns from the Pathfinder RPG Beginner Box.

The Beginner Box contains:

  • A 64-page player book with information on the cleric, fighter, rogue, and wizard classes up to level 5; skills; feats; equipment; and rules for combat, adventuring, and how to handle leveling up.
  • A 96-page GM book with a sample adventure; information on running the game; creating a campaign; 12 pages of magic items; 24 pages of monsters; a sample campaign starting area; and advice on building your own adventures.
  • Other materials such as a Flip-Mat, three pages of cardboard pawns for PCs and monsters (see photo for an example), pregenerated characters, and a blank character sheet.

When the Beginner Box is released, we'll have additional free online content for players (the barbarian class, new spells, new feats, and new rogue talents) and GMs (an adventure, more magic items, and more monsters). The Beginner Box directs players and GMs to look online for this additional content.

Bestiary 3

This 320-page book has 283 pages of monsters, including new monster categories such as clockwork, demodand, div, kami, and kyton (some of which are subtypes). If you're a GM running a high-level game, you'll find 36 monsters at CR 15 or higher (more than 20 of which aren't outsiders).

Advanced Race Guide

This comprehensive guide to rules on fantasy races includes 10 pages on each race in the Core Rulebook (including humans), six pages each on featured races such as aasimar, catfolk, goblins, orcs, and tieflings, two pages each on uncommon races such as duergar, gillmen, kitsune, and suli, and a 38-page chapter on designing your own balanced 0-HD races.

Ultimate Equipment

This is a collection of all the nonmagical and magical gear we've published, updated and all in one place, and that's only half of this book. It'll also include random magic item tables for everything in the book, with items sorted by slot to make it easier to finish up gear for PC and NPCs.

Sean K Reynolds
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Andoran

Oggron wrote:

Hhm spotted a few errors in the Pawn images gor the beginners box above.

Don't get me wrong I love the reuse of Paizo owned (and very smexy) art.

But...

>Thats a Tenebrus worm not a Giant Centipede
>Thats a Dream Spider not a Giant spider (tho it could be a giant dream spider)
>Thats a Salt Wight from AP#38 not a zombie
>Thats a Dire Wolf, not a regular Wolf
>And the Generic Orc depicts the Half-Orc Rage Prophet iconic from the APG.
Hoping thats a draft...

Im hoping your not seriously giving Paizo crap about using their art in a way that they think is appropriate. Sheesh.

Andoran

Are veggy pygmies and yak folk in the Races book? I think there's room for veggy pygmies! :)

Mike

Taldor

Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Tales Subscriber
Oggron wrote:


>Thats a Dire Wolf, not a regular Wolf

That's actually Hollow's Last Hope spoiler

Spoiler:
Greypelt a Male Worg Warrior 2

Inaccurate pedantry, tut tut.

And you missed out that the goblin boss is actually a Sewer Goblin, shocking lapse of standards, call yourself a pedant. In my day we'd have thrown you out of the guild of pedants for that kind of shoddiness!

I imagine that the art selection for this went something like:
"Find the coolest orc, the coolest wolf, the coolest, spider... but they have to be clear, look good in portrait and not be too detailed for a pawn."

The images in monster art are representative, not definitive.

Cheliax

James Jacobs wrote:

We're about a year away from the release date for Ultimate Combat, which is another way of saying the book itself isn't even outlined yet. As a result, it's WAY too early for us to start revealing details on the book. Have patience, folks!

(In the meantime, post to let us know what YOU might want to see in such a book!)

Ok, what I really want to see in the Ultimate Equipment book is a new set of Item Creation rules. Everyone knows the current system doesn't work and is routinely hand-waved away.

An equipment book is the perfect opportunity to fix this hole in the game and it's far enough away that you have the time to devote to fixing it.


What would I want to see in a book on equipment? In addition to the new equipment, that is?

Feats for using the new stuff (and maybe some of the old stuff as well) better. Be it alchemical items, weapons, or mundane stuff like a crowbar.

New and improved rules for making magic items. And preferable a loophole closer that prevents meta-magic feat rods getting made so the player doesn't have to take the feat at all.

Stuff in a races book I want to see?

Favored class options besides the "bonus hit point or skill point" for the new races and classes. I liked the option in the APG and I am always disappointed when new classes such as the Magus don't get similar options when they are released. A races book is the perfect place to add that in.

Race specific feats that mean something at higher levels, for both the new ones and the old ones.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Any chance the catfolk will get a "proper" name in the ARG?

(I wouldn't be opposed to rakasta, myself. ;))

Paizo Employee Publisher, Chief Creative Officer

Oggron wrote:

Hhm spotted a few errors in the Pawn images gor the beginners box above.

Don't get me wrong I love the reuse of Paizo owned (and very smexy) art.

But...

>Thats a Tenebrus worm not a Giant Centipede

>Thats a Dream Spider not a Giant spider (tho it could be a giant dream spider)

>Thats a Salt Wight from AP#38 not a zombie

>Thats a Dire Wolf, not a regular Wolf

>And the Generic Orc depicts the Half-Orc Rage Prophet iconic from the APG.

Hoping thats a draft...

Yeah, we shifted around some art here and there to make for the best images we could find for the Beginner Box. We figured that the intended audience--newbies--wouldn't mind that we called the wolf something different in Hollow's Last Hope. ;)

Cheliax

Erik Mona wrote:
Oggron wrote:

Hhm spotted a few errors in the Pawn images gor the beginners box above.

Don't get me wrong I love the reuse of Paizo owned (and very smexy) art.

But...

>Thats a Tenebrus worm not a Giant Centipede

>Thats a Dream Spider not a Giant spider (tho it could be a giant dream spider)

>Thats a Salt Wight from AP#38 not a zombie

>Thats a Dire Wolf, not a regular Wolf

>And the Generic Orc depicts the Half-Orc Rage Prophet iconic from the APG.

Hoping thats a draft...

Yeah, we shifted around some art here and there to make for the best images we could find for the Beginner Box. We figured that the intended audience--newbies--wouldn't mind that we called the wolf something different in Hollow's Last Hope. ;)

That is indeed trivial, but in my opinion the original art pieces for giant centipede, skeleton, orc and zombie look better; and not only that, but I'm not sure if these images are ideal choices to represent these monsters (e.g. "in this game zombies wear miner helmets and spades? Okaay..."). I just prefer more generic images. In addition, those monsters look a bit unclear when scaled down to "pawn-size" (I can just barely make out what the skeleton's head is), but this may be just due to the image's low resolution (PPI).

Anyway, that's my humble opinion, nothing more. :)


Oh yea!

+ a lot.

You could expand the Spes Magna "Making Craft Work" PDF as a start.

-- david
Papa.DRB

Mathwei ap Niall wrote:
Ok, what I really want to see in the Ultimate Equipment book is a new set of Item Creation rules. Everyone knows the current system doesn't work and is routinely hand-waved away.

Andoran

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Sean K Reynolds wrote:
Galnörag wrote:
So Ultimate Equipment doesn't contain new magic and mundane items? Just reprints, rule updates and tables?
There will be plenty of new nonmagical and magical equipment in the book. It's not "half the stuff you've seen before, half random magic item tables." Because that would suck.

Would it? If it collected every item from the PFS modules, public modules, APs, Companions, Settings books and everything else outside of Core, APG and *ahem* Armory, then I think I'd buy it.

I object when a book reprints discrete items that I could have gone out and gotten (if, for example, the Inner Sea book had just re-published the writeups for nations that had appeared in the APs). But when you're talking about such small bits of material, sprinkled liberally through dozens of books... then there's a lot of value in collecting them together. I'd say the same goes for NPCs. I'd love to see a collection like the one that appears in JR#1, but for all of the AP books, modules and PFS modules.

Qadira

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Yes, for Ultimate Equipment I'd like good mundane crafting rules, and good magic item crafting rules, please.


Cthulhudrew wrote:

Any chance the catfolk will get a "proper" name in the ARG?

(I wouldn't be opposed to rakasta, myself. ;))

Ailuroi (singular: ailuros), perhaps?


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Arevashti wrote:
Cthulhudrew wrote:

Any chance the catfolk will get a "proper" name in the ARG?

(I wouldn't be opposed to rakasta, myself. ;))

Ailuroi (singular: ailuros), perhaps?

Jellicles. :3

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

How about Kooshka for the catpeople?

If I ever get a cat, I will call kim Kooshka.

Silver Crusade

I'd like UE or another book describing the uses of and listings of minerals, herbs, and plants to be found in Golarion for use in creating items, potions, poisons, medicines, salves etc.

Bel.

Taldor

Belnor wrote:

I'd like UE or another book describing the uses of and listings of minerals, herbs, and plants to be found in Golarion for use in creating items, potions, poisons, medicines, salves etc.

Bel.

+1 on the herbalism. There just hasn't been a good treatment of herbs and other plant medicinal approaches to a mundane (or semi-mundane) source of healing, condition restoring, or other types of buffs. That would help flesh out the Druid and the Ranger, along with anyone else willing to take Knowledge Nature, or Profession Herbalist to tap into the more organic side of the world.

The "true" game for me is levels 1 through 6 and so I'd hope for a lot of material that helps flesh out that lower magic and mundane world. A lot has already been done, but it would be great to have more cheap low-magic items to use. Likewise, herbalism would help fill a need for healing that is ordinarily part of the magic realm.

It would be great to have more things to do with masterwork items. It's a very undeveloped part of the rules, and being able to shift the bonus around a bit, or add other minor bonuses or features for more gold would be a nice set of features to have.

The 3.5 Magic Item Compendium did a great job of offering up gobs of sub-1000gp items that provided interesting effects even for low level play. I know that stuff isn't OGL, but stuff like it would be awesome.

I also have to say that in those fading days of 3.5, the tables at the end of the MIC were some of the most utilized pages during that whole period, particularly the tables that broke down the items from levels 1 through 20. That kind of framework assistance was absolutely wonderful to have and made the MIC one of my favorite books from the entire line.

I think what would be the most helpful overall would be a far more in depth treatment of low/normal/high magic campaigns. Beyond suggested wealth by level tables that we currently have I'd want to see a more detailed framework of these broad categories and the kind of effect it has on CR.


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Can you please call it the Pathfinder Treasury instead?

"Ultimate" titles never sat well with me because of the Marvel comics thing. "Treasury" is concise, descriptive, and antiquarian.

"Treasury" would look right next to "Bestiary". And, since this is not a book of character options, the "Ultimate" prefix is actually sort of misleading.


Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:
Jellicles. :3

Perform would have to automatically be treated as a class skill for them. After all, Jellicles know how to dance a gavotte and a jig.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Evil Lincoln wrote:


Can you please call it the Pathfinder Treasury instead?

I like the name. Has a good ring to it. Nicely done Mr. Lincoln :)

Paizo Employee Developer

Nicely done months ago, even. :)


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Adam Daigle wrote:


Nicely done months ago, even. :)

Hmmm. Tells you something about my memory given I vaguely recall that thread when I looked :)

Paizo Employee Developer

R_Chance wrote:
Hmmm. Tells you something about my memory given I vaguely recall that thread when I looked :)

My vague recollection was what made me search out that thread because I remembered I liked the idea.


Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Card Game, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Evil Lincoln wrote:

Can you please call it the Pathfinder Treasury instead?

"Ultimate" titles never sat well with me because of the Marvel comics thing. "Treasury" is concise, descriptive, and antiquarian.

"Treasury" would look right next to "Bestiary". And, since this is not a book of character options, the "Ultimate" prefix is actually sort of misleading.

Actually, Erik Mona has indicated why he wants to call it Ultimate. He said that this will be ‘the’ book on equipment and doesn’t want there to be an Equipment book 2, 3, 4, etc. And the same reason on the books for combat and magic.

And there is no better way to say that this book will be the only one than to call it ‘Ultimate’.


Hobbun wrote:
And there is no better way to say that this book will be the only one than to call it ‘Ultimate’.

Bah, we live in a world of prequels. In 2013 they can issue Penultimate Magic, then in 2014 Antepenultimate Magic, then in 2015 Preantepenulatimate Magic, then in 2016 Forepreantepenultimate Magic.


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see wrote:
Hobbun wrote:
And there is no better way to say that this book will be the only one than to call it ‘Ultimate’.
Bah, we live in a world of prequels. In 2013 they can issue Penultimate Magic, then in 2014 Antepenultimate Magic, then in 2015 Preantepenulatimate Magic, then in 2016 Forepreantepenultimate Magic.

They could, yes. But from what Erik was saying, they have no plans to put out more dedicated ‘Magic’, ‘Combat’ or ‘Equipment’ books. He only wants one book for each.

Cheliax

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
ajs wrote:


Would it? If it collected every item from the PFS modules, public modules, APs, Companions, Settings books and everything else outside of Core, APG and *ahem* Armory, then I think I'd buy it.

My Spells and Magic Item DBs on d20pfsrd.com have all the items from modules, core books, and APs.

I also have an Equipment DB that has yet to be published if anyone is interested.


Hobbun wrote:

Actually, Erik Mona has indicated why he wants to call it Ultimate. He said that this will be ‘the’ book on equipment and doesn’t want there to be an Equipment book 2, 3, 4, etc. And the same reason on the books for combat and magic.

And there is no better way to say that this book will be the only one than to call it ‘Ultimate’.

Ah, well. I still prefer Treasury, but to the publisher go the spoils. I do think it will be the odd-duck of the Ultimate line, being equipment rather than character options.

Render unto Mona that which is Mona's.

Shadow Lodge

Evil Lincoln wrote:


I do think it will be the odd-duck of the Ultimate line, being equipment rather than character options.
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I agree but Mr. Diabolical Abraham the toy books are some of the best loved in RPGdom.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16, 2012 Top 32

Evil Lincoln wrote:
I do think it will be the odd-duck of the Ultimate line, being equipment rather than character options.

Since when is equipment not a character option?


Paizo Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber
Arevashti wrote:
Cthulhudrew wrote:

Any chance the catfolk will get a "proper" name in the ARG?

(I wouldn't be opposed to rakasta, myself. ;))

Ailuroi (singular: ailuros), perhaps?

Heheheh oh lordy.

Do we really need funky names for everything, especially something as straightforward as catfolk?

Please. Stick with catfolk. Let the linguists out there change it to something different for their campaign, but don't saddle us with ailuroi or kooshka or felinis or whatever.

Like 3% of the people will know what they are (and I'm assuming half of the names suggested are in jokes or references to anime or something), and the other 97% will probably just go "huh?"

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber
Arevashti wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
What are Tibits?

Catweres. That is, sapient cats that can polymorph themselves into vaguely feline-looking halfling-sized humanoids.

** spoiler omitted **

Like Isis in "Assignment: Earth"?

"That, Miss Jones... is my cat." Gary Seven.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

LazarX wrote:
Arevashti wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
What are Tibits?

Catweres. That is, sapient cats that can polymorph themselves into vaguely feline-looking halfling-sized humanoids.

** spoiler omitted **

Like Isis in "Assignment: Earth"?

"That, Miss Jones... is my cat." Gary Seven.

But shorter, and not as playmate.

Think the reimaged Willey Kit/Kat from Thundercats.


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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Matthew Morris wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Arevashti wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
What are Tibits?

Catweres. That is, sapient cats that can polymorph themselves into vaguely feline-looking halfling-sized humanoids.

** spoiler omitted **

Like Isis in "Assignment: Earth"?

"That, Miss Jones... is my cat." Gary Seven.

But shorter, and not as playmate.

Think the reimaged Willey Kit/Kat from Thundercats.

I prefer the Star Trek version from "Assignment: Earth" as well, but hey, to each their own...


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gbonehead wrote:
Do we really need funky names for everything, especially something as straightforward as catfolk?

IMO it would be really weird for them to call themselves "catfolk" (humans, as a general rule, aren't referred to as "menfolk" outside of Alabama).


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Cthulhudrew wrote:
gbonehead wrote:
Do we really need funky names for everything, especially something as straightforward as catfolk?
IMO it would be really weird for them to call themselves "catfolk" (humans, as a general rule, aren't referred to as "menfolk" outside of Alabama).

'Catfolk' is likely the name for their race in the Common tongue. I've always assumed that Common = players' native language.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I hope catfolk look like the new thundercats but all of them have tails instead of the Tabaxi or lycanthropic cats.


I hope the ultimate equipment will have some gadgeteer archetypes (or perhaps prestige class, so everyone can take it).

Even tough I love Ultimate combat and every book so far, ultimate equipment sounds pretty lame. In every book was more than enough equipment and I don't really need 30 weapons with names out of africa, 20 from old england another 15 from russia.
I'm not mad about the asian weapons, but in my opinion it wasn't necessary.

I just hope that the quality of the book is closer to the books so far, than to what I imagine when I read the title. My first tought was "mh, so if this is their next book, this edition will soon run out (of ideas)". But I'm happy to be proved wrong when the next product titles will be announced.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

There is nothing lame about new magic items, special materials, alchemical items and uses for special or mundane items.


no, it itself it's not lame, I would love to create a rogue that can spend all his money on mundane items.

But a whole book only about equipment doesn't sound very interesting. As there is no official article about the book, it may be that the book offers much more, but if it really only a bunch of weapons, armor and magic items, I believe it will be the first hardcover book that I won't buy.

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Necromancer wrote:
'Catfolk' is likely the name for their race in the Common tongue. I've always assumed that Common = players' native language.

Which isn't even English, so while catfolk may call themselves 'Mrrowerarr" in their racial language and people speaking Taldan call them "catfolk," I doubt the Taldan word for "catfolk" is "catfolk" any more than the Spanish word for "cat" is "cat."


Sean K Reynolds wrote:
Necromancer wrote:
'Catfolk' is likely the name for their race in the Common tongue. I've always assumed that Common = players' native language.
Which isn't even English, so while catfolk may call themselves 'Mrrowerarr" in their racial language and people speaking Taldan call them "catfolk," I doubt the Taldan word for "catfolk" is "catfolk" any more than the Spanish word for "cat" is "cat."

just as Grippli are not called frog people.

Contributor

And merfolk are not called merfolk and lizardfolk are not called lizardfolk. :)

Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 4

Sean K Reynolds wrote:
And merfolk are not called merfolk and lizardfolk are not called lizardfolk. :)

And freelancers are called OBEY.

Seems to be a perfect match for the PUNISH!

I say we call 'em catfolk! ;)

Qadira

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doctor_wu wrote:
just as Grippli are not called frog people.

Of course when players have a hard time remembering what weird fantasy name they called their own characters, let alone NPCs, then yes, the noble grippli are, at best, called 'frog people' (or more likely 'Kermits' or something...). In my experience anyway... ;)

Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 4

ProfPotts wrote:
...Then yes, the noble grippli are, at best, called 'frog people' (or more likely 'Kermits' or something...). In my experience anyway... ;)

Okay, you score an actual laugh out loud, where I really did start laughin' away my desk, drawing the stares of passersby. Well done!


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Sean K Reynolds wrote:
Which isn't even English, so while catfolk may call themselves 'Mrrowerarr" in their racial language and people speaking Taldan call them "catfolk," I doubt the Taldan word for "catfolk" is "catfolk" any more than the Spanish word for "cat" is "cat."

Actually, as a consequence of a really bizarre interaction of the Higgs boson, the current common language of all Material Plane semi-European cultures is, in fact, modern English. Earth, Golarion, Toril, Krynn, Oerth, Aebrynis, Scarn, it's all the same language.


By chance will ultimate equipment finally have a maul in it?


gbonehead wrote:
Like 3% of the people will know what they are (and I'm assuming half of the names suggested are in jokes or references to anime or something), and the other 97% will probably just go "huh?"

Mine was pretty straightforward—adapted from a Greek word that means "cat." And "felini" is along the same lines, only Latin.

Mind you, I don't have anything against just calling them catfolk. They've probably long since decided that it's less offensive than the way humans usually can't put enough of a purr into the name they call themselves. (Which totally changes the meaning of the word—and to something nonsensical and silly, no less—you know...)

I simply don't see how it'd be any different from calling hyena-people gnolls, or calling frog-people gripplis or boggards (as others have pointed out).

Dragon78 wrote:
I hope catfolk look like the new thundercats but all of them have tails instead of the Tabaxi or lycanthropic cats.

I'd prefer them to be digitigrade, but nothing against them being more human-looking.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber
Masaki wrote:
By chance will ultimate equipment finally have a maul in it?

That's pretty much what an earthbreaker is, isn't it? (some of the art notwithstanding, needs a longer handle)

Admittedly the name could make it easy to overlook, if it's a match.

Taldor

For Ultimate Equipment could they

A) Revisit and balance some of the preexisting weapons and armour? Like the sword cane or the hide shirt?

b) Expand some of the general weapons like the club or the dirk by giving historical names and stats?

c) Give us not only adventuring gear but also mundane furniture and trappings of wealth and power? Nothing worse then taking over a villains lair and not knowing how much it's going to cost to redecorate the place.

d) Perhaps give us different saddle options for beasts of burden? I'm sure a group of gnomes isn't going to be mounted on an Elephant the same way a group of humans would be.

e) What about more magical and mundane items for mounts and animal companions?

f) Could we have some building prices, how much does it cost to retire and buy an inn? How much to build and operate a castle?

g) and lastly we've had some kingdom building stuff in the adventure paths, and some mass combat rules, could we get these rules compiled some where?

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