The Future of Pathfinder Society Organized Play, Part XIX: Retuning the Rules

So, if I am GMing a second season module, and there is an Andoran Character in the group, and a Silver Crusade character, how do I know which of the two missions to give to each character? Do I just choose which one makes more sense for each?

It was actually written right in the blog post.

Characters of new factions playing old scenarios will do a faction mission from one of the original five, earning prestige as if that mission had been tied to your faction all along. The pairings will be: Grand Lodge > Osirion; Lantern Lodge > Qadira; Sczarni > Taldor; Shadow Lodge > Cheliax; and Silver Crusade > Andoran

Friendly Fireball wrote:

So, if I am GMing a second season module, and there is an Andoran Character in the group, and a Silver Crusade character, how do I know which of the two missions to give to each character? Do I just choose which one makes more sense for each?

Since a Season 2 scenario will only have an Andoran faction mission and not a Silver Crusade faction mission, both will do the Andoran mission.

Actually, I think the question has a missing component.

Season 2 scenarios have 2 faction missions for each of the five factions. Only one of those missions will be used for prestige starting with Season 3, the other point will come from completing the actual Pathfinder Society assigned mission.

So:

1) How do we determine which of the two faction missions in the module (for Season 1 & 2 scenarios, and the rare Season 0 scenarios with 2 faction points available) is the one that needs to be completed for the non-mission-tied point?

2) Will that be the same mission no matter which of the two "allied" factions are being played?

3) And will both factions, if they are both being played in the same pre-seaon 3 scenario, have the same faction mission?

scenarios from Seasons 1 and 2 will treat one faction mission as the overall objective and the other as the faction specific objective to maintain the same 2 Prestige Points per scenario.

'nuff said.

-Matt

Mark Moreland wrote:

scenarios from Seasons 1 and 2 will treat one faction mission as the overall objective and the other as the faction specific objective to maintain the same 2 Prestige Points per scenario.

'nuff said.

-Matt

Which one?

Actually, I think the question has a missing component.

Season 2 scenarios have 2 faction missions for each of the five factions. Only one of those missions will be used for prestige starting with Season 3, the other point will come from completing the actual Pathfinder Society assigned mission.

So:

1) How do we determine which of the two faction missions in the module (for Season 1 & 2 scenarios, and the rare Season 0 scenarios with 2 faction points available) is the one that needs to be completed for the non-mission-tied point?

2) Will that be the same mission no matter which of the two "allied" factions are being played?

3) And will both factions, if they are both being played in the same pre-seaon 3 scenario, have the same faction mission?

Thanks Call, that's exactly what I was asking. Still no answers except "wait?"

I think this is a misunderstanding of the wording.

My understanding of how it works (and I hope Mark will correct me if I'm mistaken):

Season 3 - 1 PA from Faction mission, 1 PA from completion goal
Season 0 - 1 PA from Faction mission, add 1 PA for mission goal
Season 1 or 2 - There are 2 Faction missions, which are still where the 2 PA are coming from. However, to keep it the same as new scenarios, it will be as if one of those Faction Missions was the mission goal. You do not get a 3rd PA for completing the mission.

Bottom line, it doesn't matter which is which. You get 2 missions, which you can complete for a maximum of 2 PA.

I think this is a misunderstanding of the wording.

My understanding of how it works (and I hope Mark will correct me if I'm mistaken):

Season 3 - 1 PA from Faction mission, 1 PA from completion goal
Season 0 - 1 PA from Faction mission, add 1 PA for mission goal
Season 1 or 2 - There are 2 Faction missions, which are still where the 2 PA are coming from. However, to keep it the same as new scenarios, it will be as if one of those Faction Missions was the mission goal. You do not get a 3rd PA for completing the mission.

Bottom line, it doesn't matter which is which. You get 2 missions, which you can complete for a maximum of 2 PA.

I'd would agree with one exception.

There are a few Season 0 scenarios that have 2 ration goals, when that happens, apply the Season 1 or 2 concept.

Since a Season 2 scenario will only have an Andoran faction mission and not a Silver Crusade faction mission, both will do the Andoran mission.

So both Andoran missions, or just one?

Mark Moreland wrote:

Since a Season 2 scenario will only have an Andoran faction mission and not a Silver Crusade faction mission, both will do the Andoran mission.

So both Andoran missions, or just one?

Both.

If it's both, then what happens if they just finish one of the two?

Are they using the standard or slow advancement track? If the former, they get just the 1 Prestige Point. If the latter, they do not receive any Prestige Points for the scenario.

If it's just one, which one do we give them?

It's not just one. You give them the same faction handout that appears in the pdf.

All of this will be covered in version 4.0 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play, which will be released early next week.

One other question Mark, if two factions share a mission, and only one faction obtains the goal, do both get credit?

I'm guessing yes, just to avoid PVP issues.

One other question Mark, if two factions share a mission, and only one faction obtains the goal, do both get credit?

I'm guessing yes, just to avoid PVP issues.

Yup.

All of this will be covered in version 4.0 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play, which will be released early next week.

Can you confirm if this will be Monday or Tuesday? I'm looking to make a new PFS character just in case I need a backup one at Gen Con and would like to have the new rules availible for that.

I suspect it will be released when they release the PFS blog on Monday.

Can you confirm if this will be Monday or Tuesday?

Yes. That much I can confirm.

Question: My search fu is failing me right now. Where are the rules for switching factions? I remember reading somewhere it that it costs 3 prestige points per level but I cannot remember the other consequences. Would this be in the field guide or the guide to organized play, maybe? If so, where. Thanks

Question: My search fu is failing me right now. Where are the rules for switching factions? I remember reading somewhere it that it costs 3 prestige points per level but I cannot remember the other consequences. Would this be in the field guide or the guide to organized play, maybe? If so, where. Thanks

In the Guide to Organized Play, v4.1 on page 15, near the bottom.

Changing Your Faction

If at any point you become disillusioned with your
faction, you can change to a new one. The longer you
have spent in service to a faction, the higher the relative
cost to change to one that trusts you less and hasn’t seen
firsthand your ability to forward their goals. Changing
your faction costs a number of Prestige Points equal to 3
times your character level, but does not alter your faction
does not alter your Fame score. (Prestige Points and Fame
are fully explained in Chapter 5). You retain your faction
traits, if any, but lose any faction-specific Prestige Awards
you have accumulated during your time with your old
faction; generic Prestige Awards from Table 5–4 and
Vanities (Pathfinder Society Field Guide 60) are unaffected.

Perfect - thanks for the help David.

One more question to clarify. Prior to my change, my fame was was 14, and my prestige points was 12. After the change, do I lose my remaining prestige points, but keep the fame? I.e I am at 14 fame, and 0 PP or will I be at 14 fame, and 3 PP?

One more question to clarify. Prior to my change, my fame was was 14, and my prestige points was 12. After the change, do I lose my remaining prestige points, but keep the fame? I.e I am at 14 fame, and 0 PP or will I be at 14 fame, and 3 PP?

We cannot answer that question without knowing what level your PC is.

If your PC is level 4 it will be 0 PP. If it is level 3 it will be 3 PP.

Tordek Rumnaheim wrote:

One more question to clarify. Prior to my change, my fame was was 14, and my prestige points was 12. After the change, do I lose my remaining prestige points, but keep the fame? I.e I am at 14 fame, and 0 PP or will I be at 14 fame, and 3 PP?

We cannot answer that question without knowing what level your PC is.

If your PC is level 4 it will be 0 PP. If it is level 3 it will be 3 PP. [/QUOTE
Ooops sorry I left that out. He is a level 3 character. So its 3 PP. Thanks for the help.