Out of this World!

So ... is it already March?

"YOU SHALL NOT PA... OUCH !!!"

Dude not the face ! Charisma is my primary ability score!

Firearms... *drools over shiny flintlocks, snorts gunpowder*

Firearms... *drools over shiny flintlocks, snorts gunpowder*

Did I miss the playtest?

xn0o0cl3 wrote:

Firearms... *drools over shiny flintlocks, snorts gunpowder*

Did I miss the playtest?

Do you own a Firearm? ;)

Looks good, I liked the primer and while a part of me does not want to wait, I'm glad this is in March. I have a convention in February to think of.

*Eyegasm*

"Swords are no more use here."
"Fly, you fools!"

I just want to know if that huge mecha spider with the particle accelerator cannon on it's tail will be in the listing of monsters. ^_^

any comments on the number of pages?

Monsters, guns, the darklands, Races, cultures and languages, awesome

I was wondering if this book will have the stats for those 9 monsters?

Will there be any Magic items? Spells? Feats? New traits? Prestige classes?

Will we ever find out what those other "star metals" are?(that are not adamantine)

Will we ever see a Moon domain?

I love Craig Spearing's art :D

Nice art, looking forward to the book.

Congratulations on finally getting it out the door. :)

can we seethe map on the blog sooon???

before march????

Guns, guns, beautiful guns! All praise be to Alkenstar! The gods made men, but Alkenstar made them equal!

any comments on the number of pages?

320

Zyren Zemerys wrote:

any comments on the number of pages?

320

64 pages over the original ? Whoa !

You had me at guns, though I wish it appeared in an RPG product instead, it shouldn't be Golarion specific.

64 pages over the original ? Whoa !

Yes... and since some of the material from the original campaign setting book transitioned into the Pathfinder RPG rulebooks, it doesn't need to appear in the new volume—so there are actually *more* than 64 pages of new material here.

You had me at guns, though I wish it appeared in an RPG product instead, it shouldn't be Golarion specific.

Stay tuned.

DragonBelow wrote:

You had me at guns, though I wish it appeared in an RPG product instead, it shouldn't be Golarion specific.

Stay tuned.

What Channel? ;)

Vic Wertz wrote:

DragonBelow wrote:

You had me at guns, though I wish it appeared in an RPG product instead, it shouldn't be Golarion specific.

Stay tuned.

What Channel? ;)

44, the most powerful channel in the world. It will take your head clean off.

Pretty much secures the Shoanti's place in the setting, and that makes me happy. :D

Take that encroaching Chelish civilization!

Looking forward to these monsters that made it into the book, and wondering which ones they could be. Sinspawn would stand out as a strong contender, if they hadn't been included in Bestiary 2 already.

I just want to know if that huge mecha spider with the particle accelerator cannon on it's tail will be in the listing of monsters. ^_^

Seconding this.

And furiously curious about what's been added for Numeria.

Great artwork by Craig J Spearing, awesome Balor!

Guns and new monsters are always appreciated for some of us.

*Looks at the list of all the goodies to come* Now I know how Pavlov's dogs felt when they heard the bell. So much Golarion goodness!

I just want to know if that huge mecha spider with the particle accelerator cannon on it's tail will be in the listing of monsters. ^_^

One of these? :-)

(sorry, couldn't find the link in the Paizo store.)

Guns... le sigh.

While I don't mind the occasional flintlock, my experience with players & guns in RPGs is that everyone immediately thinks that they have 10 ranks in Craft (guns) & Profession (inventor) & want gatling guns, cartridge firing guns, magazines, automatic weapons, etc.

Here's hoping that their campaign impact is consistent with the first campaign setting book - as in, magic is superior, and they're rare outside of Alkenstar.

Guns... le sigh.

While I don't mind the occasional flintlock, my experience with players & guns in RPGs is that everyone immediately thinks that they have 10 ranks in Craft (guns) & Profession (inventor) & want gatling guns, cartridge firing guns, magazines, automatic weapons, etc.

Here's hoping that their campaign impact is consistent with the first campaign setting book - as in, magic is superior, and they're rare outside of Alkenstar.

It is. Guns are as much a part of Golarion now as they have been.

xn0o0cl3 wrote:

Firearms... *drools over shiny flintlocks, snorts gunpowder*

Did I miss the playtest?

Nope; we didn't do a playtest.

I was wondering if this book will have the stats for those 9 monsters?

The Monster chapter does indeed have Bestiary-style writeups for nine monsters (8 1 page entries, 1 2 page entry).

Will there be any Magic items? Spells? Feats? New traits? Prestige classes?

There are magic items, spells feats, and prestige classes. Most are reprinted from the previous book, some more are picked up and reprinted from other books, and there's a few new things as well.

Will we ever find out what those other "star metals" are?(that are not adamantine)

Yes, but not in this book.

Will we ever see a Moon domain?

Not in this book, although we WILL be adding the Scalykind and Void domains. While there are a few strong contenders for the role of moon deity in Golarion, when we originally built the core deities, the Moon domain wasn't (and still isn't) open content. We therefore made the decision to NOT include a specific god/goddess of the moon and thus dodged the need for a moon domain entirely; in addition, while there are plenty of sun spells in the core game, there's not really a lot of good choices for moon spells. All of this had to be taken into account when we built the setting, and this revision is not the place to do major revisions to our deities. We did a LITTLE revision, as regards a few minor deities who lost one domain in order to gain the Scalykind domain (which was how those deities were originally intended to function; the omission of the Scalykind domain in favor of retaining the unused Creation domain in the first hardcover was an error), but that's pretty much it as far as revising deities go.

joela wrote:

xn0o0cl3 wrote:

Firearms... *drools over shiny flintlocks, snorts gunpowder*

Did I miss the playtest?

Nope; we didn't do a playtest.

Did you at least try comparing the damage inflicted by a sword v. the damage inflicted by a gun by stabbing and shooting Cosmo?

If not, the rules are likely flawed, quite possibly to the point of FAIL.

I thought Cayden became the moon god on a drunken dare.

"Pull your pants up! I didn't seriously think you'd do that to Lamashtu!"

BPorter wrote:

Guns... le sigh.

While I don't mind the occasional flintlock, my experience with players & guns in RPGs is that everyone immediately thinks that they have 10 ranks in Craft (guns) & Profession (inventor) & want gatling guns, cartridge firing guns, magazines, automatic weapons, etc.

Here's hoping that their campaign impact is consistent with the first campaign setting book - as in, magic is superior, and they're rare outside of Alkenstar.

It is. Guns are as much a part of Golarion now as they have been.

Cool! Thank you Mr. Jacobs!

Cool that answers most of my questions but how can wizards copyright the name Moon domain? I mean there are a lot of Moon dieties in mythology.

I thought Cayden became the moon god on a drunken dare.

"Pull your pants up! I didn't seriously think you'd do that to Lamashtu!"

And than Cayden Cailean learns that Lamashtushares a physical... quirk, in common with female spotted hyenas.

Cool that answers most of my questions but how can wizards copyright the name Moon domain? I mean there are a lot of Moon dieties in mythology.

They can't copyright it at all.

Non-open content and copyrighted content are not the same thing.

We COULD have made up our own Moon domain, but we chose not to for many reasons, not the least of which was we try to avoid deliberately "mocking" the spirit of what Wizards has and has not made open rules content.

Dragon78 wrote:

Cool that answers most of my questions but how can wizards copyright the name Moon domain? I mean there are a lot of Moon dieties in mythology.

They can't copyright it at all.

Non-open content and copyrighted content are not the same thing.

We COULD have made up our own Moon domain, but we chose not to for many reasons, not the least of which was we try to avoid deliberately "mocking" the spirit of what Wizards has and has not made open rules content.

There are plenty of things Paizo has re-made that Wizards created non-open rules for. Going back to mythology has always been a good enough reason before.

I have no problem with you not having enough room in the Core books or the new World Guide to detail a moon domain. I just think there are a fair number of us who feel it is important enough to be included in the game at some point. I love reading about Golarion but many of us run games in homebrew worlds. Mine certainly has a moon domain, among others, that aren't in the core rules. Ultimate Magic might be a good spot for it, if there is time to squeeze it in. If not, perhaps when you do the Asian inspired world book.

Anyway, all I'm saying is leave the door open to put it in later. I'd rather you said it wasn't on the schedule and you have no current plans than "we don't want to step on Wizard's toes".

There are plenty of things Paizo has re-made that Wizards created non-open rules for. Going back to mythology has always been a good enough reason before.

I have no problem with you not having enough room in the Core books or the new World Guide to detail a moon domain. I just think there are a fair number of us who feel it is important enough to be included in the game at some point. I love reading about Golarion but many of us run games in homebrew worlds. Mine certainly has a moon domain, among others, that aren't in the core rules. Ultimate Magic might be a good spot for it, if there is time to squeeze it in. If not, perhaps when you do the Asian inspired world book.

Anyway, all I'm saying is leave the door open to put it in later. I'd rather you said it wasn't on the schedule and you have no current plans than "we don't want to step on Wizard's toes".

At this point, introducing a Moon domain would disrupt things too much. I could see giving the Moon domain to Desna for sure, and probably also to Gozreh and Lamashtu and maybe even Zon-Kuthon.

But we've also got things set up so ALL of the deities have 5 domains. None of them have 6. So giving any of them a Moon domain means we'd have to remove one that's already established.

In another thread, I revealed that we removed Ydersius's Animal domain and replaced it with the Serpentfolk domain. I figured that this would be mostly okay, since Ydersius is a pretty obscure deity and one that in the majority of cases is a badguy deity and NOT a PC deity... yet it didn't take long at all for a Pathfinder Society player to notice this and get angry, because that change means that his Ydersius-worshiping character needs to be rebuilt, and in so doing he'd lose some of the flavor he'd come to enjoy for his character.

That was for a pretty obscure deity. Changing the domains for one of the most well-detailed and established deities in our setting (Desna) would wreak a LOT more havoc. Not something I want to do.

An option would be to provide a Moon domain but NOT give it to any Golarion deities... but that's kind of weird to us. Creating new rules content that we don't use in Golarion... particularly if the new rules content is closely tied to world flavor (such as domains are) is even weirder.

There's lots of reasons why we didn't build a Moon domain at the start, and there's a lot of NEW reasons why we aren't going to do so now. Golarion doesn't really need a Moon domain, and introducing it (or many other domains) would be more disruptive than fun.

I certainly wasn't suggesting changing any existing deity domains. But the rulesbook line is supposed to be campaign neutral, there has to be a small amount of room for rules that aren't going to see heavy use in Golarion. I also suggested the Asian themed book because I figured there was room for a local moon goddess (or demi-goddess) over there.

I understand and support the idea of not drastically changing world canon. I'm sure a 3PP will step up with a moon domain at some point if Paizo never does.

Nobody said to add a Moon domain to the Major dieties, but Golarion is big world with many religions. Moon dieties are important in many cultures of the past in the real world and for those of us who like home brewd campains this is just one of the many domains that would be useful. Plus deinol made a good point most of these rulesbook line items are campain nuetral. I really don't care what books they end up in I will buy them for useful stuff like that.

My personal feeling is that Moon gods are a pretty diverse lot. They can't be summed up in terms of the Moon having an obvious assortment of spells, and often there are multiple Moon gods in a given pantheon exemplifying different phases.

Many Moon gods are female, but a male (India, Finnish pantheons) Moon is also known. This doesn't even mean a female sun. Surya and Chandra are both male in India.

Sometimes the moon exemplifies change: i.e.: Chaos, Trickery, Travel, Madness domains.

Sometimes the moon is the night watch-person: i.e., Law, Light, etc.

Sometimes the moon is a witch of darkness: Evil, Darkness, etc.

And sometimes the moon is a rabbit: Animal, Trickery, Carrots.

It depends. Suns are inherently more stable as concepts, since they are what they are, excluding eclipses.

Perhaps the Moon in Golarion is seen as just a reflection of the Sun, hence not worshiped as a diefic aspect?

Maybe there used to be a Moon domain, but it was tainted by association with Groetus or Jezelda (who have both since lost it themselves in their descent into evil)?

Maybe syncretic aspects of Desna, Gozreh, Groetus, etc. still have a Moon domain, but those aspects are only worshiped in far-off Casmaron or Tian Xia or Castrovel and haven't been revealed yet? (Which would lead to interesting theological clashes.)

Or maybe that's no moon, but a space station? :) Sorry.

I would like to see a mix of cosmologies in Tia Xian.

Matthew Morris wrote:

I thought Cayden became the moon god on a drunken dare.

"Pull your pants up! I didn't seriously think you'd do that to Lamashtu!"

And than Cayden Cailean learns that Lamashtushares a physical... quirk, in common with female spotted hyenas.

Woah, didn't know about sexual dimorphism in these canines until now. Thanks, another useful factoid.

There's lots of reasons why we didn't build a Moon domain at the start, and there's a lot of NEW reasons why we aren't going to do so now. Golarion doesn't really need a Moon domain, and introducing it (or many other domains) would be more disruptive than fun.

Loving this post. Patient, rational, and clear. It's a shame that many people don't see these posts. Still - very helpful, just the same.

Eric Hinkle wrote:

Matthew Morris wrote:

I thought Cayden became the moon god on a drunken dare.

"Pull your pants up! I didn't seriously think you'd do that to Lamashtu!"

And than Cayden Cailean learns that Lamashtushares a physical... quirk, in common with female spotted hyenas.

Woah, didn't know about sexual dimorphism in these canines until now. Thanks, another useful factoid.

Sorry to be so fussy, but hyenas aren't canines. They're more closely related to cats. Yeah, I know, surprised me too when I first found out.

And OT but I was happy to see Paizo using gnoll Amazons in the 'Spotted Hide' pack from Dark Markets of Katapesh.