Pathfinder Advanced Player's Guide Preview Banquet Recap

OK now I won't sleep until august!

Luckily you don't have to - seems you're a subscriber to RPG line, the book ships in late July :)

Hmm so so far of the 8 new prestiges we know about: Stalwart Defender, Master Spy, Master Chymist, and Battle Herald.. i am curious about the last four.

At first glance the image of the Anti-Paladin looked to me like a man in a Duster Jacket and a cowboy hat in Full Plate. =)
A bizarre Wild Wild West Death Dealing Maniac.

Pretty awesome visual mix up if you ask me.

VERY excited for this book.

Thinking about the different variant features oddly have me all worked up.

Release date can't come soon enough!

Oh and between this and Kingmaker, I am in increasingly big love with Eric Belisle's art ...

Oh and between this and Kingmaker, I am in increasingly big love with Eric Belisle's art ...

Ditto that!

Oh and between this and Kingmaker, I am in increasingly big love with Eric Belisle's art ...

+2

Racial Feats and alternate class features based on race... wow! All the traits plus almost 200 new feats! This books is going to be awesome! :)

A question for Jason: are the majority of spells in the APG new or have they already appeared in other pathfinder supplements? As a wizard player I really miss the 3.5 Spell Compendium but love paizo's balancing of spells.

Can we get a peak at new monk options? Class-abilities/feats/items?

Ach, don't bother with working out a suitable sentence, just post us some detailed screenshots :D

Wow this all looks very good! I'm glad to see Hero Points being introduced in PF. I wonder how it differs from action points we've seen throughout 3.5's career. But I'm very intrigued about the new combat maneuvers. It's going to be hard to budget Gamemaster Guide, the Advanced Player's Guide, Kingmaker and Starcraft 2. I'm going to find a way to get both of best worlds. Either way, I can't wait!

Gorbacz wrote:

Oh and between this and Kingmaker, I am in increasingly big love with Eric Belisle's art ...

+2

+3!

Just about everything Jason showed us about this book makes me want it.

Sounds g rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr eat!!

Apparently, in Pathfinder, EVIL SMITE YOU.

Jason,

Looking forward to the APG but from your preview it doesn't look like you made use of your gift in the Canadian Christmas card that you received... I guess the correct font wasn't guessed.

See you at GenCon!

This book looks amazing so many options to the players and for my NPCs this is going to be fun (side hope its easy for the guys at Hero Labs to make all these changes)

I'm so giddy I could just pee myself! =oD

And I'd like to second The Far Wanderer's question about the spells.

And I'd like to add +4!

Dug the speech at the banquet, and thanks for posting the recap here!

Jason, you're doing great work and I look forward to many of these new options. But mostly, to bringing ruin to the forces of Good with antipaladins. :)

Jason, you're doing great work and I look forward to many of these new options. But mostly, to bringing ruin to the forces of Good with antipaladins. :)

YEAH! \m/ So many many delicious options for NPCs for those of us who GM more than play! :D

I think what I'm looking forward to the most is starting the first thread about the anti-paladin's code of conduct and alignment.

Sebastian - I look forward to reading your thread.

A question for Jason: are the majority of spells in the APG new or have they already appeared in other pathfinder supplements? As a wizard player I really miss the 3.5 Spell Compendium but love paizo's balancing of spells.

From what I understood most of them are new and are designed to support the new classes, although there will be new toys for the existing classes.

What you'll need to keep an eye on is Ultimate Magic due out in spring - this will be a huge tome of spells with a new optional magic system.

This book looks amazing so many options to the players and for my NPCs this is going to be fun (side hope its easy for the guys at Hero Labs to make all these changes)

IIRC Lisa mentioned the Hero Lab modules for the APG will be ready by GenCon

I think what I'm looking forward to the most is starting the first thread about the anti-paladin's code of conduct and alignment.

Good times.

I remember a couple of years ago I was trying out a new game with some folks I didn't know really well.

One guy kept constantly having secret conferences with the GM in the hallway. I finally called out, "Let me guess, you're the secret anti-paladin aren't you?"

I'll treasure that pissed off expression on his face forever.

The Far Wanderer wrote:

A question for Jason: are the majority of spells in the APG new or have they already appeared in other pathfinder supplements? As a wizard player I really miss the 3.5 Spell Compendium but love paizo's balancing of spells.

From what I understood most of them are new and are designed to support the new classes, although there will be new toys for the existing classes.

What you'll need to keep an eye on is Ultimate Magic due out in spring - this will be a huge tome of spells with a new optional magic system.

is this Ultimate Magic book paizo's or is it third party?

Paizo.

EDIT: You can find out more in THIS thread here in the Paizo Products section.

Joey Virtue wrote:

This book looks amazing so many options to the players and for my NPCs this is going to be fun (side hope its easy for the guys at Hero Labs to make all these changes)

IIRC Lisa mentioned the Hero Lab modules for the APG will be ready by GenCon

Can I get a hell Yeah. Im really loving HeroLab

At one point there were a fair number of us asking for rules on improving gear (i.e. "legacy weapons" that go up in level as you do).

James indicated it was being considered for the Players Guide.

Did they make it?

If not, Is this concept I can lobby for in a future product?

Most of what I am seeing looks good. Aside from the Anti-Paladin, anyways. (I'd prefer something more in style to the Hexblade - not everything has to have an evil opposite)

Nothing is going to be 100% awesome, but chock full of stuff that will get used is what I want to see.

Watcher, there are Pathfinder rules for Legacy weapons in Kobold Quarterly #13 by none other than former Paizo intern Hank Woon.

Just sayin.

Watcher, there are Pathfinder rules for Legacy weapons in Kobold Quarterly #13 by none other than former Paizo intern Hank Woon.

Just sayin.

I was about to say I thought that was a 4E article, but reading it again it is indeed for Pathfinder. It looks like the system ID bug for the article was tagged wrong.

Watcher, there are Pathfinder rules for Legacy weapons in Kobold Quarterly #13 by none other than former Paizo intern Hank Woon.

Just sayin.

Just listenin.

Damn. I guess you can tell I'm not up on my reading. Digging that sucker out right now.

OK now I won't sleep until august!

CAN'T SLEEP. ANTI-PALADINS WILL EAT ME.

I want this book so bad! I CAN HAS NAO?

Elementalists!
163 feats!
Elementalists!
Alt racial abilities!
Elementalists!
Hot iconics!
Elementalists!
Magic items!
Ele-freaking-mentalists!

Wooo!

Elementalists!

163 feats!
Elementalists!
Alt racial abilities!
Elementalists!
Hot iconics!
Elementalists!
Magic items!
Ele-freaking-mentalists!

Wooo!

I have been drooling to play a elementalist sense 2nd Ed. I played an earth mage way back when and have been wanting to play one again ever sense then.

also don't forget 60 sub-domains, 30 rogue talents, 12 advanced talents, 40 something rage powers, 8 prestige classes, archmage is now high level feats (thank you btw), a spell-less ranger (yes...spellless...ranger), and some of the best art i've seen sense the bestiary.

Munchkins all over the world are sharpening their teeth.

I wonder which awful never before imagined chimera will become their choice BEST PC EVAR (in minmaxers' POV of course).

Munchkins all over the world are sharpening their teeth.

I wonder which awful never before imagined chimera will become their choice BEST PC EVAR (in minmaxers' POV of course).

That's a good idea - I could make a chimera PC, fly speed, multiple natural attacks, breath weapon - it's +1 level adjustment only, right?

Joe Wells wrote:

Elementalists!

163 feats!
Elementalists!
Alt racial abilities!
Elementalists!
Hot iconics!
Elementalists!
Magic items!
Ele-freaking-mentalists!

Wooo!

I have been drooling to play a elementalist sense 2nd Ed. I played an earth mage way back when and have been wanting to play one again ever sense then.

also don't forget 60 sub-domains, 30 rogue talents, 12 advanced talents, 40 something rage powers, 8 prestige classes, archmage is now high level feats (thank you btw), a spell-less ranger (yes...spellless...ranger), and some of the best art i've seen sense the bestiary.

All good stuff but I am bummed there's no templar in it.

also don't forget 60 sub-domains

What's a sub-domain?

DragonBringerX wrote:

also don't forget 60 sub-domains

What's a sub-domain?

A variant domain you can take in place of a specific existing domain.

DragonBringerX wrote:

also don't forget 60 sub-domains

What's a sub-domain?

It's a pretty clever development trick in my book. Basically, instead of taking the Death domain, you could take the Bones domain (a name I think I made up). The nice thing about them is that instead of printing a bunch of new domains and then going back to shoe-horn them in to diety portfolios, the sub-domains are really just substitutes for those domains.

Hmm...is the "sub" in sub-domain short for substitute?

Generic Villain wrote:

DragonBringerX wrote:

also don't forget 60 sub-domains

What's a sub-domain?

It's a pretty clever development trick in my book. Basically, instead of taking the Death domain, you could take the Bones domain (a name I think I made up). The nice thing about them is that instead of printing a bunch of new domains and then going back to shoe-horn them in to diety portfolios, the sub-domains are really just substitutes for those domains.

Hmm...is the "sub" in sub-domain short for substitute?

Sounds cool, did they give any examples?

Sebastian wrote:

Generic Villain wrote:

DragonBringerX wrote:

also don't forget 60 sub-domains

What's a sub-domain?

It's a pretty clever development trick in my book. Basically, instead of taking the Death domain, you could take the Bones domain (a name I think I made up). The nice thing about them is that instead of printing a bunch of new domains and then going back to shoe-horn them in to diety portfolios, the sub-domains are really just substitutes for those domains.

Hmm...is the "sub" in sub-domain short for substitute?

Sounds cool, did they give any examples?

They did, but I don't recall what it was. It really seems to be new domains, but built in such a way that they don't have to do all the pain in the ass work entailed in introducing a new domain.

The other thing I really liked about the APG was the arch-type structure. Not sure if this has been mentioned upthread already, but the concept seems to be very similar to the substitution levels introduced early in 3.5 (and then suddenly dropped for no good reason). I have a very strong preference for swapping out abilities in core classes rather than using prestige classes to effectively do the same thing.

But, then again, I hate prestige classes at this point.

Elementalists!

163 feats!
Elementalists!
Alt racial abilities!
Elementalists!
Hot iconics!
Elementalists!
Magic items!
Ele-freaking-mentalists!

Wooo!

I'm not sure it's entirely accurate to call them elementalists.

It is a replacement for the current schools of magic based on elements instead of on the current (fairly unbalanced IMO) divination/ conjuration/ evo/ necro/ tran... split. So instead of having an evoker you have a fire wizard.

This of course begs the question what happens to the existing feats that are based on schools of magic? Will you now take spell focus (fire)?

Regardless I'm likely to ditch the current schools in favor of this because IMO the schools are just a mess.

The other thing I really liked about the APG was the arch-type structure. Not sure if this has been mentioned upthread already, but the concept seems to be very similar to the substitution levels introduced early in 3.5 (and then suddenly dropped for no good reason). I have a very strong preference for swapping out abilities in core classes rather than using prestige classes to effectively do the same thing.

But, then again, I hate prestige classes at this point.

So are they entire replacements like from unearthed arcana or are they just like switch one ability for a differnt ability

So are they entire replacements like from unearthed arcana or are they just like switch one ability for a different ability

To me, it sounded as though archetypes are essentially templates for specific classes. Some archetypes might make a few small changes to a given class while others might rewrite lots of stuff, Unearthed Arcana style.

Sebastian wrote:

The other thing I really liked about the APG was the arch-type structure. Not sure if this has been mentioned upthread already, but the concept seems to be very similar to the substitution levels introduced early in 3.5 (and then suddenly dropped for no good reason). I have a very strong preference for swapping out abilities in core classes rather than using prestige classes to effectively do the same thing.

But, then again, I hate prestige classes at this point.

So are they entire replacements like from unearthed arcana or are they just like switch one ability for a differnt ability

I'm not certain, but it sounded like replacements like from UA (or from later issues of Dragon magazine). So, instead of a paladin getting smite evil, they would get rage 1 round/day/level (this example is entirely made up).

This is all based off of my memories of what Jason said during the banquet, so I could be wrong.

Generic Villain wrote:

DragonBringerX wrote:

also don't forget 60 sub-domains

What's a sub-domain?

It's a pretty clever development trick in my book. Basically, instead of taking the Death domain, you could take the Bones domain (a name I think I made up). The nice thing about them is that instead of printing a bunch of new domains and then going back to shoe-horn them in to diety portfolios, the sub-domains are really just substitutes for those domains.

Hmm...is the "sub" in sub-domain short for substitute?

I believe that a sub domain replaces one of the abilities for a domain and alters the spell list so you would take the death domain and alter it with the bones subdomain.