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It's Huge!

Wednesday, May 26, 2010

The way the story goes, Erik walked into the copy shop with a disc holding the map of the Inner Sea Region and asked the employee there to make the image as big as he could.

"Okay, here we go," the man said, holding up a sheet maybe two feet high.

"I don't think you understand," Erik replied. "I need this big."

Thus it was that last Friday, Erik and Wes came into the office holding a map of the Inner Sea Region that, when unrolled, measured seven feet tall and six feet across. As we all stood around it in shock, looking down on it in mingled wonder and terror, I think the same two thoughts were in everyone's brains. Here was the world we'd created...

...and now we needed to fill it.

For of course that's why we had the map printed. With the forthcoming World Guide: The Inner Sea (a revised and expanded version of the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting hardcover, fully updated to the Pathfinder RPG) and the Inner Sea Poster Map Folio, it's time for us to finally buckle down and crank our own obsessive tendencies to the max as we attempt to place every location that's featured in a Pathfinder game product in its appropriate place. And of course, as if that madness weren't enough, the forthcoming world guide also presents a ton of new adventure locations and notable sites for regions that previously only had a few dots on a map. While there are still countless places left open for GMs to populate and describe as they see fit, this is our attempt to create something truly comprehensive to satisfy even the most detail-oriented GMs.

This, of course, is madness. I'm sure that within a month, we'll all be gibbering on the floor as the ink staining our fingertips reaches toxic levels. But until then, the Map will be on the wall, watching us, daring us to try to fill it in. How much of our hubristic attempt to catch everything makes it into the final map folio is anyone's guess—it may be that printing every tag would result in type too small to see with the naked eye—but you'll know when you see it that the Paizo editorial team gave their all to make it as accurate as they could, boldly chucking interns and coworkers into the line of fire. That's how much we care!

James L. Sutter
Fiction Editor

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I think you should hire someone to work exclusively on this project as a contract freelancer.

Cheliax

I have map envy.

Cheliax

I can honestly say...

Still not big enough!!!

Though once all the other regions beyond the Inner Sea get mapped out the complete world map might be big enough to satisfy me. ;-)

Andoran

This is going to be good!

Qadira

dm4hire wrote:

I can honestly say...

Still not big enough!!!

Though once all the other regions beyond the Inner Sea get mapped out the complete world map might be big enough to satisfy me. ;-)

I'll second that. I love world maps and for many years had an entire wall of my bedroom covered by the 2 Trail Maps TSR produced that detailed the Known World setting (later named Mystara). I will be getting this map, and hopefully in the not too distant future, others covering places like Casmaron (which sounds amazing, and I'm hopeful that will be the area covered in the next world guide book you guys do).


It might be madness but it's the kind of madness I love.


baron arem heshvaun wrote:


I have map envy.

Yea, i want to know where i can get the 7' tall completed version when it is done.


Could put it in Inkscape, but the max canvas size is 9 kilometers...

Osirion

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

I am very happy to see that Paizo is going to update their Scenario Locations on the map! Can't wait to get my hands on it.

Qadira

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
James Sutter wrote:
This, of course, is madness. I'm sure that within a month, we'll all be gibbering on the floor as the ink staining our fingertips reaches toxic levels.

Now that's a party!


I too love maps and at one point in the late 70's had one bedroom wall playing host to the entire Wilderlands of High Fantasy and another one graced with the World of Greyhawk

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

I want one. The spare bedroom/office could use one.

Cheliax

I also want one. I'm pretty sure I would never lose that map.


Ok, for a campaign setting map, that's a pretty big wall poster. Now on those lines, how in the world did you get all those Paizo people to stick to the wall like that?

Last time I hired Escher Architects, Inc., I was only offered the option of floor or ceiling for the gravitational source. (I ended up offering the job to Doofenschmirtz Evil, Inc., since they threw in the Anti-Gravity Evil Launchinator for free, even though it didn't really solve my problem.)


James Sutter wrote:
This, of course, is madness. I'm sure that within a month, we'll all be gibbering on the floor as the ink staining our fingertips reaches toxic levels.

James... They don't sell those GOOD inks anymore. India Ink's quite digestable... if not terribly healthy :P

On another note, I've had waaay too much experience with this.

/d

Osirion

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Tales Subscriber

I want.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber
Spahrep wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:


I have map envy.

Yea, i want to know where i can get the 7' tall completed version when it is done.

You can get it here


Nice map. Are there major roads/trails on it?

Whats with the Paizo peoples dark colored clothing? You guys just come from a funeral? Haven't seen that much darkness and denim since Altamont.


Justin Franklin wrote:
Spahrep wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:


I have map envy.

Yea, i want to know where i can get the 7' tall completed version when it is done.
You can get it here

I dont think that includes the 1 peice 7' map.

Cheliax Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

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I think this has been brought up before, but what are the chances of seeing you guys put a map tool on the website. I'd love an interactive map with pins representing the various AP locations. I realize it'd be hard to put up, but would be a really great tool (for you and for us) and you could update it as new adventures come out.

Osirion

Sebastian wrote:
I think this has been brought up before, but what are the chances of seeing you guys put a map tool on the website. I'd love an interactive map with pins representing the various AP locations. I realize it'd be hard to put up, but would be a really great tool (for you and for us) and you could update it as new adventures come out.

But if they did that, then they couldn't sell us products like this one and the inevitable update every couple of years with more locations. and we wouldn't have nice huge maps.

...well i supoiose they could at that. and most people would buy them anyway, but the point remains...I think.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Will there be a new map, or is it going to be an update the previous one?

Cheliax

Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

*was really excited* Oh it's a map... that's cool... and yeah that's a really big map. :)


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber
Spahrep wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
Spahrep wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:


I have map envy.

Yea, i want to know where i can get the 7' tall completed version when it is done.
You can get it here
I dont think that includes the 1 peice 7' map.

Nope it includes a 4 piece approximately 6' version (at least the size is my best guess based off of the size of the current 8 panel map).


..."as we attempt to place every location that's featured in a Pathfinder game product in its appropriate place. And of course, as if that madness weren't enough..."

...Madness? That's a minimum expectation for a published setting, AFAIC.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Arnwyn wrote:

..."as we attempt to place every location that's featured in a Pathfinder game product in its appropriate place. And of course, as if that madness weren't enough..."

...Madness? That's a minimum expectation for a published setting, AFAIC.

Actually, it's not the minimum expectation. As far as I know, there's not been that many attempts to put every location onto a map like this. Two of them (one for Forgotten Realms and later one for Greyhawk) were actually done by Paizo. Both of them were horrifically complicated processes. Trust me, it is indeed a certain level of madness to try to pull this off.

Paizo Employee Managing Editor

Hugo Solis wrote:
Will there be a new map, or is it going to be an update the previous one?

It's going to be an update, with much greater detail in terms of both tags and natural features. But Rob Lazzaretti is still doing it, so it'll have much the same style.


This is Madness!!!


Sharoth wrote:
This is Madness!!!

Madness?

...THIS! IS! PAIZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Sorry. Had to be written. :P


Lilith wrote:
Sharoth wrote:
This is Madness!!!

Madness?

...THIS! IS! PAIZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Sorry. Had to be written. :P

~laughter~ Well, I was the one that set it up.


James Jacobs wrote:
Actually, it's not the minimum expectation.

Well, I did say "AFAIC", you'll note.

And my multiple 2e FR regional poster maps are labeled with everything at the times of their publication. *shrug* In any case, it's my minimum expectation when purchasing a setting that's not from the 70's or 80's... I got it with FR.

Paizo Employee Editor-in-Chief

Arnwyn wrote:
And my multiple 2e FR regional poster maps are labeled with everything at the times of their publication.

Ooooh, dangerous claim.


F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Ooooh, dangerous claim.

:D Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's some caveats in there (no/select novels, only if it fits on the given map scale...) [Edit: But then, I just think about the FR Atlas, and I'm confident it's not that dangerous of a claim...!]

But surely, then, you must have some caveats in your (admittedly awesome) endeavor, no?

Qadira

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Sebastian wrote:
I think this has been brought up before, but what are the chances of seeing you guys put a map tool on the website. I'd love an interactive map with pins representing the various AP locations. I realize it'd be hard to put up, but would be a really great tool (for you and for us) and you could update it as new adventures come out.

I'm doing something like this right now in my paying job -- rendering GIS data in an interactive, browser-based pan & zoom map (using Mapnik & OpenLayers).

In order to do this, all of the map data would have be converted to shapes -- that means all locations expressed as lat/lon points, and all boundaries as polygons of lat/lon coordinates.

If I had this data in GDAL shapefiles I could probably set up a such a webpage on Amazon EC2 over a long weekend.

Andoran RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32, 2011 Top 16

I'd really love a version that folds up like a road map. Wizards had a few of these they produced, and the FR one was amazingly huge, and at the time was the first to explore off the edge of any previously published map of the realms.


So, when does the disc go on sale? I'm very interested in making a map like that!

-Swiftbrook


Sebastian wrote:
I think this has been brought up before, but what are the chances of seeing you guys put a map tool on the website. I'd love an interactive map with pins representing the various AP locations. I realize it'd be hard to put up, but would be a really great tool (for you and for us) and you could update it as new adventures come out.

Amen. I'd like to see pins for all product locations. It would help me find other products to add to the APs.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion Subscriber

I love the photo. Everybody has a nice, relaxed smile. "Hey, look how cool our big map is, we will make it even cooler !", that's what they're saying.

Except Cosmo.

Whose face says: "We're sooooo hosed this time ..."

;-)

Qadira

Pathfinder Maps, Tales Subscriber

I just hope you don't try to over-populate it. I really liked the Forgotten Realms in the beginning, but then it just became more work to find a place to adventure in that didn't have its story already told a hundred times over.

It's nice when a world feels like it is alive, not like it has already lived...

Do you think it would be possible to just put some dots on the map and plan your stories (AP etc.) around the dots, but tell us that you are doing it so we don't explore them ourselves before they are ready?

Paizo Employee Managing Editor

R. Doyle wrote:

I just hope you don't try to over-populate it. I really liked the Forgotten Realms in the beginning, but then it just became more work to find a place to adventure in that didn't have its story already told a hundred times over.

It's nice when a world feels like it is alive, not like it has already lived...

Do you think it would be possible to just put some dots on the map and plan your stories (AP etc.) around the dots, but tell us that you are doing it so we don't explore them ourselves before they are ready?

Actually, we feel much the same way—overdoing the continuity is lame, and a world should inspire more than it proscribes. A lot of the dots will be for things that have been mentioned but not heavily detailed... relatively few will have been the direct focus of an adventure (we just haven't published that many), and most of the new stuff you see will be new adventure hooks that we introduce and then leave alone, so you can do what you like with them. (For examples of that style, see some of the gazetteers like Kyonin, Varisia, or Belkzen in Pathfinder.) Rest assured, there will still be plenty of room for GMs to put whatever they want!


The only thing I learned from this blog post is that in order to work at Paizo you must master the appearance of being nonchalant with your hands in your pockets.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that everyone at Paizo has horrible mangled hands from writing non-stop in the Dungeon of Jacobs.

Shadow Lodge

Quote:
It's Huge!

That's what she said huhuhuhu...

*looks around*

Someone had to say it...

*shrug*

Qadira

Pathfinder Maps, Tales Subscriber
James Sutter wrote:
R. Doyle wrote:

I just hope you don't try to over-populate it. I really liked the Forgotten Realms in the beginning, but then it just became more work to find a place to adventure in that didn't have its story already told a hundred times over.

It's nice when a world feels like it is alive, not like it has already lived...

Do you think it would be possible to just put some dots on the map and plan your stories (AP etc.) around the dots, but tell us that you are doing it so we don't explore them ourselves before they are ready?

Actually, we feel much the same way—overdoing the continuity is lame, and a world should inspire more than it proscribes. A lot of the dots will be for things that have been mentioned but not heavily detailed... relatively few will have been the direct focus of an adventure (we just haven't published that many), and most of the new stuff you see will be new adventure hooks that we introduce and then leave alone, so you can do what you like with them. (For examples of that style, see some of the gazetteers like Kyonin, Varisia, or Belkzen in Pathfinder.) Rest assured, there will still be plenty of room for GMs to put whatever they want!

Thank you. I love the work you guys do. I haven't been ass interested in a world in decades as I am in Golarion.

Osirion

Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Maps, Modules, Pawns, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber
Swiftbrook wrote:

So, when does the disc go on sale? I'm very interested in making a map like that!

-Swiftbrook

Seconded! How do we get a copy of the file that will allow us to print off our own huge one-piece map?

Tam

Cheliax Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

0gre wrote:
Quote:
It's Huge!

That's what she said huhuhuhu...

*looks around*

Someone had to say it...

*shrug*

+1

I was just about to post that.

Cheliax

I just realized the real missed opportunity for an awesome and somewhat funny photo tag...

"I can see my character's house from here."

Qadira

*cries*

It's...it's beautiful. When can I own a copy?

Osirion

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Please, please, please, please, please make a map of this size available for purchase! Or at least make available a high resolution PDF or JPEG of the map so I can go to my local print shop to have them print out a giant color map for my gaming room.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion Subscriber

It's coming :-)

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Tarrintino wrote:
Please, please, please, please, please make a map of this size available for purchase! Or at least make available a high resolution PDF or JPEG of the map so I can go to my local print shop to have them print out a giant color map for my gaming room.

That'd be expensive. Several hundred dollars, it turns out. Fortunately, as Gorbacz points out above, we'll be printing a much less expensive version of the final map later this year.

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