Hey all, this came up in another thread.
The feat Racial Heritage from the APG says
Prerequisite: Human.Benefit: Choose another humanoid race. You count as both human and that race for any effects related to race. For example, if you choose dwarf, you are considered both a human and a dwarf for the purpose of taking traits, feats, how spells and magic items affect you, and so on.
To take treesinger you have to be an elf and...
Note: Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial feats, and racial spells are only available for characters of the associated race. Racial equipment and magic items can be purchased and used by any race as long as the specific item permits it (for example, only halflings can purchase and use solidsmoke pipeweed).
The new alchemist discovery on page 44 is legal for play for characters of all races.
So the question is, can I play a human treesinger if i take the racial heritage feat?
I think so, but there was some question.
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Let me turn it back on you. What makes you think that a racial specific class archetype doesn't count as "any effects related to race"?
I see what you quoted from the additional resources, but I would say the Feat trumps the general rule, as it was meant to. I would also say you could use that feat to join a racial Prestige class like Elven Archer.
what makes me think it? not a thing.
I think it works.
However another poster had doubts so I came here to check.
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Is "effect" defined in the rules? It must include feats, why can't it include class archetypes? It already includes traits, which are mentioned in the quote from Additional Resources as being 'that race only', so why not class archetypes?
Or do you thing the quote from additional resources overrides the specific wording of the feat regarding traits?
link to other thread Here
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I believe that Mark Moreland posted an explicit statement in another thread (pardon my lack of search fu today) that neither the Racial Heritage feat, nor the Adopted trait, would let you take any race-limited item, of any sort, from the ARG.
So, for this, Treesingers, humans need not apply. Sorry.
Maybe they'll make a human-only PrC called Kuakgannir...
Mike has already made a ruling about multi-racial characters and material in the ARG.
While i appreciate the link, thats not the same thing.
He is saying half-elves can not take elf stuff.
the feat makes you count as an elf.
again if the anwser is no thats cool. i just cant see where it is no.
While I still disagree that those posts are at all about this issue I can see that most people disagree with me and as such will go with "No"
Thanks to all for your oppinions.
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Can a human with the Racial Heritage feat take levels in an archetype that requires you to be of a specific race?
Yes, the Racial Heritage feat allows you to qualify for archetypes that have the chosen race as a requirement, assuming you still meet all of the other requirements to take levels in the archetype.
—Jason Bulmahn, Friday
Now the question is that an exception to Additional resources?
Right, as it looks right now (due to that FAQ) it seems to work.
SERIOUSLY!?!?!?!?
This PFS question got moved out of the PFS area??
really? this is only about PFS
We know the ruling on normal PFRPG
Why does this always happen??
Thank you Ross.
I am sorry for the caps.
this just seems to happen a lot.
Alright here is another monkey wrench to throw in the cogs. Does a human that takes a level in sorcerer (ork) qualify for ork only feats and classes?
Here is the bloodline arcana for orc:
You gain the orc subtype, including darkvision 60 feet and light sensitivity. If you already have darkvision, its range increases to 90 feet. Whenever you cast a spell that deals damage, that spell deals +1 point of damage per die rolled.
So would this allow you to take the Scarred Witch doctor archetype?
While i can see the far reaching effects, all I want to know is on treesinger :)
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For Treesinger, no you can not take it as a human. Jason's ruling is for the overall Pathfinder rules. For PFS, we are more narrowly defining the rule.
As to the question a couple of posts up, no the Scarred Witchdoctor archetype is not available and a human can not qualify for any Orc related items, whether they be archetypes, feats, etc.... For this to ever be trumped, they would need to appear on a Chronicle.
Thank you for the final word Mr. Brock
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hmmmm ok ... forgive me for this one ... but seeing as I just found this I have to make sure of some things ..
I have a character that was affected by the Recent Archetype restrictions so I need to be 100%
Human - Racial Heritage - Half Orc
Taking Destroyers Blessing page 56/57 ARG
Just want to be sure if this is legal or not since this feat is a reprint of another feat (Not legal in its previous incarnations from OoG)
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To be more specific, Mr Brock, I would ask if you mean that other races that normally can not be played in PFS are not avialable to use with Racial Heritage.
Would this include races that would need a boon that has been around before? Would you be able to play a human with this feat and a boon instead of the race in question for a specific boon?
Are you able to use the normal races' (Core, Tengu, Aasimar, Tiefling) stuff?
Unrelated, but would an Half-Orc be able to take the archtype in question, barring any alignment issues, or is it not a PFS legal choice?
Thank you.
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Unrelated, but would an Half-Orc be able to take the archtype in question, barring any alignment issues, or is it not a PFS legal choice?
Thank you.
That is from the Orcs entry in Chapter 2.
In Chapter 2, nothing from the catfolk, drow, hobgoblins, kobolds, orcs, and ratfolk entries are currently legal for play.
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To be more specific, Mr Brock, I would ask if you mean that other races that normally can not be played in PFS are not avialable to use with Racial Heritage.
Would this include races that would need a boon that has been around before? Would you be able to play a human with this feat and a boon instead of the race in question for a specific boon?
Are you able to use the normal races' (Core, Tengu, Aasimar, Tiefling) stuff?
Unrelated, but would an Half-Orc be able to take the archtype in question, barring any alignment issues, or is it not a PFS legal choice?
You cannot take Racial Heritage (Tiefling/Aasimar/Ifrit/Sylph/etc), because those are Native Outsiders, not Humanoids.
You can take Racial Heritage (Orc/Tengu/Kobold/Giant/etc). It just won't net you much of a result, due to the clause in the Additional Resources for the Advanced Race Guide:
Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial evolutions, racial feats, and racial spells are only available for characters of the associated race.
You have to actually BE the race in question to get any of its goodies from that book, and there are few racial options outside of that book worth grabbing with Racial Heritage.
There are some feats in the Advanced Players Guide worth grabbing, if you like. Racial Heritage opens those up as options. And there are other in game effects that may be related to a certain race, such as taking Racial Heritage (Giant) and being able to UMD Giant-themed magic items (as an example).
But outside of those few situations, your choices are limited.
ADDENDUM: Also, this thread is two years old. There has been much discussion since then about this feat and its interaction within PFS. It would probably be better to start a new thread if you have more questions about it.