3Sheets2theWind |
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I was reading the martial artist as I am playing one, and I realized that abundant step takes ki energy and it is not able to be used as the martial artist does not get ki. Was this overlooked or is he allowed to use it once a day. I know that the martial artist loses a lot compared to what he gains and was curious if there was a typo. Also the high jump gives a ki option, does this just mean the monk can do the jumps from a still position and not have the ki option? There seems to be a lot lost, for defensive roll and exploit weaknesses.
Any thoughts? (or errata on him?)
MurphysParadox |
Looks like you get Abundant step but cannot use it because your ki pool is 0. As for high jump, you can do the first part (add level to acro, no running needed) but cannot get the +20 from spending a ki point as you have none to spend.
It would probably have been nice of them to have done something with Abundant Step as it is 100% useless to the Martial Artist archetype.
StreamOfTheSky |
You coul trade it (and High Jump, if you wanted) for Ki Powers that cost 0 ki from Qinggong Monk, I guess?
Any DM that gives you a hard time about *nasally voice* "having no ki at all isn't the same thing as an empty ki pool!" but doesn't blink at Martial Artist coming with ki point using class features by default...isn't a DM I'd ever want to play with.
I guess for Ki powers, I'd take Ki Stand or Deny Death for High Jump and Ki Leech (which would ironically then give you worthless ki...) or Share Memory for Abundant Step.
That...really, sucks, though.
EDIT: No, wait...all of those are useless without a Ki Pool...
I take it back, that really extremely ultra sucks!
Jason Nelson Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games |
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As was posted elsewhere on the boards when the book came out, this was just a clean miss by me - I thought I had traded out all the ki-related class features for the martial artist but flat-out forgot about abundant step.
I believe my suggestion at that time was to replace it with an improved pain points ability, increasing the bonuses from that ability by +1. Nothing particularly sexy, but if you tell your GM that's what the author suggested, maybe he/she'd give you a break and let you have it.
EDIT: Here is my original post on the subject (search the boards for "abundant step, martial artist, jason nelson")
I was looking at my original turnover for the martial artist, and I just flat missed putting in an ability swap for abundant step. I left in high jump as a class ability on purpose, because even without ki it also gives you the auto-running start and the +level bonus to jumping, which is pretty nice. Abundant step, though, that was just a clean "oops."
If you want a simple and wholly unofficial fix for this, simply replace abundant step with an another bonus monk feat (like the ones you get at 1, 2, 6, 10, etc.).
Alternatively, you could give the martial artist:
Improved Pain Points (Ex): At 12th level, a martial artist's bonus from his pain points ability increases to +2. This ability replaces abundant step.
For an official ruling on what should replace abundant step (which clearly makes no sense for the ki-less martial artist), however, FAQ this post and/or post in the UC Errata thread and ask for the official answer.
Daryl MacLeod |
I would ask if I could have both Dimension Door and the Ki High jump ability as a 3/day ability. I can't see many reasonable GMs having an issue with that.
The Martial Artist has the flexibility to combine some classess that the other Monk archetypes don't get due to the lack of alignment restriction. Could be the game designers feel that dipping for Rage and rage powers offsets the loss of abundant step?
Umbranus |
You coul trade it (and High Jump, if you wanted) for Ki Powers that cost 0 ki from Qinggong Monk, I guess?
The problem with that is that most players who choose the martial artist will be doing so because of the lack of alignment requirement.
And taking the quigong monk will negate that. Or doesn't it?Has an martial artist quigong monk the alignment requirement or not?
Archaeik |
Has an martial artist quigong monk the alignment requirement or not?
Good question. I'm inclined to say QG retains the lawful requirement, but I don't know where to find the support for that.
But the only replacement that doesn't require ki to use is Diamond Body.
(well share memory, but I'm not convinced that doesn't require a ki pool, and all the other 0ki powers need ki IN your pool to do anything, they just don't consume it)
Asurako |
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So I asked this question somewhere else, but I'm relatively new here (here as in pathfinder, the forum, and pen and paper RPG in general), I'll try again because i was most likely just being dumb and posting places where I am least likely to get an answer. Can human martial artist's take the alt. favored class bonus to get 1 ki point every four levels and thereby render abundant step, hi jump and sensei cross archetyping not COMPLETELY useless? cause, that would be nice, the MA would have a small ki pool with no special features other than the ability to spend it on the various odd ki abilities he managed to pick up.
Pathfinder Design Team Official Rules Response |
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FAQ: http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1g1#v5748eaic9qx3
Monk, Martial Artist: How can I use abundant step if this archetype replaces my ki pool?
The archetype should have replaced all ki-based abilities, but abundant step was left in by accident. The archetype should also replace abundant step with a monk bonus feat.
This will be changed in the next printing of Ultimate Combat.