Diego Rossi |
I removed some bickering. Flag it and move on, folks.
Ross, I know it can seem a strange request, but is possible to get a record in our own page of the posts that were removed? And maybe a red highlighting for the parts that made them removal worth?
I have noticed that a couple of mine have been removed, for some I get why, for other I am in doubt (citations of other removed posts? too aggressive? other reasons?). Sometime, if I return to a thread after a time I don't even recall what was in a removed post.
If it is not too much work it would be nice, as it would teach us what is the limit on the Paizo forum (probably I have some bad habit as I am used to the way more aggressive EVE forum).
Dennis Baker Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16 |
Gorbacz |
If a post gets removed most posts that quote it or are obvious replies to it are removed as well. So if you want to avoid getting your posts pulled don't reply to posts that are clearly going to be moderated (such as those from Gorbacz).
This is some very good advice, and I wish it was FAQ'd. ;-)
DeathQuaker RPG Superstar 2015 Top 8 |
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This is oddly a reason why private message functionality could be useful. The admins when deleting a post could send a PM to the offender why they deleted it. It could probably be autogenerated -- just as we hit a pulldown menu to note why we're flagging a thread, the admin could select from a list of reasons why something gets deleted so deleting the post still only takes (I would assume) a series of clicks.
Kelsey MacAilbert |
This is oddly a reason why private message functionality could be useful. The admins when deleting a post could send a PM to the offender why they deleted it. It could probably be autogenerated -- just as we hit a pulldown menu to note why we're flagging a thread, the admin could select from a list of reasons why something gets deleted so deleting the post still only takes (I would assume) a series of clicks.
I agree with this.
Dennis Baker Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16 |
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It's not that hard to avoid getting moderated.
It's almost always obvious which threads are likely to get hit with moderation. If you lack the self control and can't avoid replying to jerks (or are Gorbacz) just copy your posts on 'hot topics' before you send them.
Dennis Baker Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16 |
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You forgot Sebastian. Don't upset the HJIC! ;-)
One of my rules in life is I try and never insult people who aren't in the 'room' to defend themselves*. Sebastian likely wouldn't mind the suggestion, but I like to give a guy a fighting chance.
What did you expect, there was no two '*' above to reference!
Drejk |
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Now we put extra load of work on PMG and his minions. I don't think that I got any of my messages deleted but the idea with automated message containing deleted post flaged with exact reason is good one. While "don't be a jerk" note is a good guideline we have to remember that RPG gamers* are posting here - we are speaking about group not widely known for their highly developed social skills in Real Life mixed with social interaction complications brought by internet (and I am not refering to jerkness amplification effect of anonymity, just decreased recognition of emotions and reactions caused by lack of non-verbal communication).
Fergie |
Having done "messageboard clean-up" myself in the past, I can tell you, this isn't going to happen. It takes enough time already to clean up the boards and monitor the threads for trouble. If every deleted post required figuring out a specific reason, and sending for an email, it would just make it a slower and more annoying process for the moderators. I'm guessing that they don't feel the need to spend more time explaining themselves and answering "why did you delete my post for profanity when I was clearly being a regular jerk, not a profane jerk?" questions.
Note: My thoughts are based only on my own experiences and I don't pretend to know or speak for the real moderators here.
Kelsey MacAilbert |
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Now we put extra load of work on PMC and his minions. I don't think that I got any of my messages deleted but the idea with automated message containing deleted post flaged with exact reason is good one. While "don't be a jerk" note is a good guideline we have to remember that RPG gamers* are posting here - we are speaking about group not widely known for their highly developed social skills in Real Life mixed with social interaction complications brought by internet (and I am not refering to jerkness amplification effect of anonymity, just decreased recognition of emotions and reactions caused by lack of non-verbal communication).
Precisely this.
Kain Darkwind |
I'm with Fergie. A site as big as this one is already hard enough to keep clean, without the added work of explaining to argumentative people about why they lost their posts. You've already got people who are rude jerks to the actual high-ups at Paizo, even before you account for actually antagonistic ones. It isn't too hard to see that giving them something else to complain about offers a very low reward to risk ratio. So while it is a minor irritation to those who wouldn't use the service to be even larger pains in the arse, I don't see much benefit in changing it.
baron arem heshvaun |
That's very simple: assume every post of yours will be deleted.
I think in the years I have been posting I had no deleted posts ... Until I lost one post early this week. I am still not sure what cost it to be deleted. I am also mostly sure I was not self medicated when I did post it. Unlike now.
Woopeeeeee!
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
I think in the years I have been posting I had no deleted posts ... Until I lost one post early this week. I am still not sure what cost it to be deleted. I am also mostly sure I was not self medicated when I did post it. Unlike now.
You've had a couple, usually because you were replying to posts that themselves were moderated. The most recent one, though, linked to a site that's full of copyright violations, which Chris Lambertz mentioned in the thread after she deleted it.
Diego Rossi |
Even a simple automatically generated e-mail with the text of the moderated post would be useful.
Re-reading what we wrote with a clear mind could make us realize where we were wrong.
If we go with what we remember of our posting we can miss why it was removed.
That is, if this don't require too much work.
And Sara and Vic, thank for the replies.
Mark Moreland Director of Brand Strategy |
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We'd much prefer folks didn't make posts that needed moderation rather than put even more work into dealing with those who do. If you want to know why a post was removed, read the staff member's post in the thread indicating that posts were hidden. In general, we remind the thread of the rules being violated when we remove content.
Wouldn't everyone rather we spend our time making new products, improving the community experience, and otherwise serving our customers than taking on addition work to give people violating our terms and conditions a record of the content that did so?
Gorbacz |
We'd much prefer folks didn't make posts that needed moderation rather than put even more work into dealing with those who do. If you want to know why a post was removed, read the staff member's post in the thread indicating that posts were hidden. In general, we remind the thread of the rules being violated when we remove content.
Wouldn't everyone rather we spend our time making new products, improving the community experience, and otherwise serving our customers than taking on addition work to give people violating our terms and conditions a record of the content that did so?
It's called capitalism. You're getting a nice dump of $$$ from me every month, including overseas shipping fees and whatanot. I can live with some of that being spent on axing my posts. Conscious consumer, or something like that :)
Kelsey MacAilbert |
I understand where you are coming from, Mark, and you have some good points. The issue is that a lot of stuff that needs moderation, at least in my case, is stuff I didn't realize I shouldn't be doing. I've had some intentional douchebaggery (which won't be happening any more, because I value my spot in the Paizo community more than I do the results of trolling), but that is the minority of what I've had deleted. Ideally, you wouldn't have to clean up after us, but we aren't perfect at all, and we don't always realize how far we're going.
Cheapy |
If you are not aware of the rules, may I recommend reading them?
They are linked to in the same paragraph as the most important rules, for handy-dandy checking.
another_mage |
Has anyone ever tried a "I have diplomatic immunity, you can't mod me" thing?
I tried that once. It didn't work out so well...
Joana |
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Kelsey, I'm not at all familiar with your posting history, so none of this night be relevant to you, but here are some of the most common reasons I've seen posts deleted and how to avoid them:
The big one:
Dennis Baker Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16 |
another_mage |
Dennis Baker wrote:Where's the -9% coming into play?I think 99% of moderation is failure to follow the rule which is listed immediately below the submit button. "Don't be a jerk".
The other 10% I imagine is a mix of things like adult topics, copyright violation, etc..
Those are the edits after the fact.
Edit: Removed 90% of the original text of this post.
Dennis Baker Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16 |
Gary Teter Senior Software Developer |
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Mark said "hidden" rather than "removed" because moderators can still see the posts that have been removed.
I have spent a bunch of time today removing posts and would like to point out that in addition to the above observations about time spent cleaning stuff up, it turns out that if you tell everybody about every single post removal it tends to raise the grar level in general. If someone makes a "I'm getting popcorn because this thread just got nice and ugly" post and we remove it, there's really no reason to email that person about that. They knew the thread was going to get cleaned up and posted anyway, and that their post was going to get removed as part of the cleanup. Sending an email just provides another opportunity for a "Hey I just got silenced by the evil moderators" discussion that really doesn't help anybody and actively makes things worse than a simple removal and cleanup note posted in the thread.
noretoc |
I think the last thing we all want are the paizo staff taking time to hold hands about posting. I would rather them work on the things they are supposed to work on which make the company great. If your post get removed and you don't know why, don't worry about it. There was a reason, just do your best to try to follow the rules. If it keeps happening, examine your posting style.
Heck, I can imagine there may be removal by mistake, but I really would rather see that PM ability, rather than have Gary spend all his time discussing mistaken post removals. Just move along people. Its an internet message board. it's not that vital to your existence.
PS, if your posts KEEP getting removed and you can't figure out why, stop posting on internet message boards.
gbonehead Owner - House of Books and Games LLC |
Gary Teter Senior Software Developer |
Joana |
I've spent time on the old Code Monkey Publishing forums, EN World, and Lone Wolf Development. I find this one infinitely more readable.
(KQ = Kobold Quarterly.)
gbonehead Owner - House of Books and Games LLC |