Question regarding using found items during a scenario


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Shadow Lodge 5/5

My search-fu is pretty bad today so sorry if this has already been completely covered.

A player of mine had the following question...

What can we do with items found during the session? I know the guide says we have to pay for items to be able to continue to use them, but how does that apply to the following? These questions mostly revolve around consumables.

1. Players find a potion of cure moderate wounds on a bad-guy. It's listed on the treasure sheet.

Can they drink said potion during the adventure? If they do what are the consequences? Do they have to pay for it? Is it not available on the chronicle sheet when everything is over should they drink it?

2. Players find a scroll of Sleep during the scenario and during the final big fight the wizard casts it. Do they have to pay for it? Is it not available on the chronicle sheet if they use it?

3. Player decides not to cast said scroll of Sleep but instead wants to scribe it into his spellbook so he can memorize it before the big boss-guy. Does he just pay the 10 gp to do so? Does he have to buy it for 25 gp and then pay the 10 gp?

Thanks in advance.

Scarab Sages 2/5

1. They do not have to pay for it if they use it during the mission. If they want to keep it after the mission is over, then yes, they have to pay for it.

2. Same as #1. Also, all scrolls of 1st and 0 level are available for purchase. Even if it was a higher level scroll, using it does not take it off the chronicle sheet, they can still purchase more copies of it if they so wish (assuming there is no limit).

3. He just has to pay the 10 gp.

Shadow Lodge 5/5

Karui Kage wrote:

1. They do not have to pay for it if they use it during the mission. If they want to keep it after the mission is over, then yes, they have to pay for it.

2. Same as #1. Also, all scrolls of 1st and 0 level are available for purchase. Even if it was a higher level scroll, using it does not take it off the chronicle sheet, they can still purchase more copies of it if they so wish (assuming there is no limit).

3. He just has to pay the 10 gp.

Okay, thanks for the input. We were clear on all the rules on Chronicle Sheet items you want after the adventure, but the player's guide is VERY unclear on what to do if you use them during the adventure. Here's the inevitable follow-up though.

The player finds a scroll of Blur while at level 1. It's on his chronicle sheet, but at the time of that adventure he was unable to scribe it into his spellbook due to it being too low a level. Now he's level 3 and ready to scribe it. Do you need to purchase, or is it still available for scribing at only the 40 gp cost?

Grand Lodge 2/5

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MisterSlanky wrote:


The player finds a scroll of Blur while at level 1. It's on his chronicle sheet, but at the time of that adventure he was unable to scribe it into his spellbook due to it being too low a level. Now he's level 3 and ready to scribe it. Do you need to purchase, or is it still available for scribing at only the 40 gp cost?

Purchase.

Scarab Sages 2/5

Zizazat wrote:
MisterSlanky wrote:


The player finds a scroll of Blur while at level 1. It's on his chronicle sheet, but at the time of that adventure he was unable to scribe it into his spellbook due to it being too low a level. Now he's level 3 and ready to scribe it. Do you need to purchase, or is it still available for scribing at only the 40 gp cost?
Purchase.

Nope. They need to pay the 40 gp, but do not need to purchase the scroll.

This answer in particular was cleared up here.

Joshua J. Frost wrote:
If a wizard finds a scroll or spellbook they can copy spells out of it paying the appropriate costs and taking the appropriate amount of time as detailed on page 219 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook. A wizard does not need to purchase spells found during a scenario in order to then pay the copy-to-spellbook costs.

It's also in the Society Guide.

Society Guide wrote:


Wizards and Their Spellbooks
Pages 219–220 in the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook clearly discuss how to handle a wizard’s spellbook, but Pathfinder Society makes one adjustment to these rules: a wizard does not have to purchase a scroll found during the course of a scenario in order to copy that scroll into his spellbook. from the copied scroll, resulting in a blank piece of normal parchment.

The normal rules for finding items during the course of a scenario are that they can be used during the scenario but must be purchased after the scenario in order to be kept. This clarification for wizards and their spellbooks is the singular exception to the gear rules. See Chapter 9 for the full rules on finding items and treasure.

As for the questions you (MisterSlanky) asked first, I assure you that they are correct. I asked Josh very similar questions myself when I first started playing the Society.

Grand Lodge 2/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Karui Kage wrote:


Society Guide wrote:


Wizards and Their Spellbooks
Pages 219–220 in the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook clearly discuss how to handle a wizard’s spellbook, but Pathfinder Society makes one adjustment to these rules: a wizard does not have to purchase a scroll found during the course of a scenario in order to copy that scroll into his spellbook. from the copied scroll, resulting in a blank piece of normal parchment.

The normal rules for finding items during the course of a scenario are that they can be used during the scenario but must be purchased after the scenario in order to be kept. This clarification for wizards and their spellbooks is the singular exception to the gear rules. See Chapter 9 for the full rules on finding items and treasure.

As for the questions you (MisterSlanky) asked first, I assure you that they are correct. I asked Josh very similar questions myself when I first started playing the...

I'm shocked to read this. I haven't played an arcane spell caster yet, but I don't understand how you can differentiate from a kept scroll from one mod to the next for casting or scribing purposes?

I suppose you have access to the scrolls on your chronicle for scribing purposes but if you wanted to actually cast it, you'd have to have a record of buying it on a chronicle somewhere so it was really in your inventory? Something along those lines?

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Karui Kage wrote:
Zizazat wrote:
MisterSlanky wrote:


The player finds a scroll of Blur while at level 1. It's on his chronicle sheet, but at the time of that adventure he was unable to scribe it into his spellbook due to it being too low a level. Now he's level 3 and ready to scribe it. Do you need to purchase, or is it still available for scribing at only the 40 gp cost?
Purchase.

Nope. They need to pay the 40 gp, but do not need to purchase the scroll.

This answer in particular was cleared up here.

Joshua J. Frost wrote:
If a wizard finds a scroll or spellbook they can copy spells out of it paying the appropriate costs and taking the appropriate amount of time as detailed on page 219 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook. A wizard does not need to purchase spells found during a scenario in order to then pay the copy-to-spellbook costs.

It's also in the Society Guide.

Society Guide wrote:


Wizards and Their Spellbooks
Pages 219–220 in the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook clearly discuss how to handle a wizard’s spellbook, but Pathfinder Society makes one adjustment to these rules: a wizard does not have to purchase a scroll found during the course of a scenario in order to copy that scroll into his spellbook. from the copied scroll, resulting in a blank piece of normal parchment.

The normal rules for finding items during the course of a scenario are that they can be used during the scenario but must be purchased after the scenario in order to be kept. This clarification for wizards and their spellbooks is the singular exception to the gear rules. See Chapter 9 for the full rules on finding items and treasure.

As for the questions you (MisterSlanky) asked first, I assure you that they are correct. I asked Josh very similar questions myself when I first started playing the...

I think you may be confused Karui Kage, If during the course of the scenario in which he found the scroll he adds the spell to his spellbook, then he does not need to purchase the scroll, but if he does not add the scroll during that scenario in which he found it then to keep the scroll beyond that he does need to purchase it.

That said, I could not find any rules that says you can not put a spell in your spellbook from a scroll that is higher then you can cast, but I could just be missing that.

Scarab Sages 2/5

You can scribe spells into your book even if they are too high to cast. You just pay the cost and follow the Spellcraft rules (make a DC 15 + spell's level spellcraft check).

As for the bit about scribing spells into your book after doing a mission but without buying a scroll, I am 99% sure I have the correct interpretation above. Both Josh's post and the guide are pretty clear.


Also, don't forget that they are doing away with the chronicle sheet purchase limit of current and last two sheets, so if there was a scroll you ran across, say, 10 scenarios ago, you will be able to go back and add it to your spellbook at only the scribing cost once v2.2 of the Guide comes out.

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I guess I could be wrong, but I am still uncertain. I think my problem is, I always read it as if done during the scenario, but I don't see those words anywhere.


Dragnmoon wrote:
I guess I could be wrong, but I am still uncertain. I think my problem is, I always read it as if done during the scenario, but I don't see those words anywhere.

I interpret it the same as you Dragnmoon.


Dragnmoon wrote:
I think you may be confused Karui Kage, If during the course of the scenario in which he found the scroll he adds the spell to his spellbook, then he does not need to purchase the scroll, but if he does not add the scroll during that scenario in which he found it then to keep the scroll beyond that he does need to purchase it.

Dragnmoon is correct. Even with the chronicle sheet change in 2.2, you must scribe the scroll during the scenario in which you found it. If you're not able to, then you must purchase it later if you wish to scribe it. The advantage for wizards to be able to do this during the scenario was so that they didn't feel like they'd have to buy the scroll they found every time and then also have to pay the scribing cost. Extending that so that a wizard may choose at any time to scribe any scroll he ever found is outside the bounds of the intent of this rule.

Scarab Sages 2/5

DAAAAMN YOU ONE PERCENT!

Shadow Lodge 5/5

Thanks everybody (and Josh). It's not a big issue (we're looking at one level 2 scroll to-date), but it's clear now.

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