paizo.com Recent Comments on Cleric Class Previewpaizo.com Recent Comments on Cleric Class Preview2018-07-18T20:46:16Z2018-07-18T20:46:16ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewSara Mariehttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9282018-07-10T20:37:34Z2018-07-10T20:37:34Z<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Thanks for all the lively discussion so far in this thread. At this time we've decided to close up the blog discussion thread. If you have comments, questions or other things you want to post that do not fit into any currently open threads, you are welcome to start a new thread. Thanks! </span></p>Thanks for all the lively discussion so far in this thread. At this time we've decided to close up the blog discussion thread. If you have comments, questions or other things you want to post that do not fit into any currently open threads, you are welcome to start a new thread. Thanks!Sara Marie2018-07-10T20:37:34ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewMorgenhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9272018-06-15T17:40:59Z2018-06-15T17:40:59Z<p>Good to hear. I was really worried after playing Starfinder for a while. It would have been a shame to see those spells go away. They're like 80% of the spells I usually see used.</p>Good to hear. I was really worried after playing Starfinder for a while. It would have been a shame to see those spells go away. They're like 80% of the spells I usually see used.Morgen2018-06-15T17:40:59ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewExcaliburproxyhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9262018-06-14T21:22:40Z2018-06-14T21:22:40Z<p>Haha. Well, at least Morgen can be confident in the veracity of the information or at least know that seems to be the prevailing belief from those following the playtest.</p>Haha. Well, at least Morgen can be confident in the veracity of the information or at least know that seems to be the prevailing belief from those following the playtest.Excaliburproxy2018-06-14T21:22:40ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewIron_Matt17https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9252018-06-14T21:19:21Z2018-06-14T21:19:21Z<p>Wow. I ninja'd Excaliburproxy and DMW... that's a first.</p>Wow. I ninja'd Excaliburproxy and DMW... that's a first.Iron_Matt172018-06-14T21:19:21ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewExcaliburproxyhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9242018-06-14T21:14:59Z2018-06-14T21:14:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Morgen wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Hey sorry if this got asked already or is somewhere else but are the cleric buff spells (or buff spells in general) going away?</p>
<p>I'm looking a the spells in Starfinder and it seems to be a bit lacking in the kinds of magics where one makes their fellows perform better. I know this isn't Starfinder but I thought of that today and I'm kind of worried now. </blockquote><p>I have heard from playtesters that bless is in the game but requires concentration (one action per round) to maintain. I must assume that there are other buffs still in the game.Morgen wrote:Hey sorry if this got asked already or is somewhere else but are the cleric buff spells (or buff spells in general) going away?
I'm looking a the spells in Starfinder and it seems to be a bit lacking in the kinds of magics where one makes their fellows perform better. I know this isn't Starfinder but I thought of that today and I'm kind of worried now.
I have heard from playtesters that bless is in the game but requires concentration (one action per round) to maintain. I must...Excaliburproxy2018-06-14T21:14:59ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewDeadmanwalkinghttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9232018-06-14T21:14:59Z2018-06-14T21:14:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Morgen wrote:</div><blockquote> Hey sorry if this got asked already or is somewhere else but are the cleric buff spells (or buff spells in general) going away?</blockquote><p>They are not. Bless still exists as a 1st level spell and provides the entire party +1 to hit as it always did.
<p>However, it does cost one action every turn to maintain. So they may be becoming less stackable if that's common. That restriction does not necessarily mean they're less powerful, since a +1 is much more powerful in PF2 than in PF1.</p>
<p>While not a Cleric spell, we do also know that Haste exists and provides an extra action that can only be used to Stride or Strike (ie: move or attack). So yeah, all evidence is that buffs exist.</p>
<p>EDIT: Ninja'd. Ah, well, at least I mentioned Haste.</p>Morgen wrote:Hey sorry if this got asked already or is somewhere else but are the cleric buff spells (or buff spells in general) going away?
They are not. Bless still exists as a 1st level spell and provides the entire party +1 to hit as it always did. However, it does cost one action every turn to maintain. So they may be becoming less stackable if that's common. That restriction does not necessarily mean they're less powerful, since a +1 is much more powerful in PF2 than in PF1.
While not...Deadmanwalking2018-06-14T21:14:59ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewIron_Matt17https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9222018-06-14T21:13:43Z2018-06-14T21:13:43Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Morgen wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Hey sorry if this got asked already or is somewhere else but are the cleric buff spells (or buff spells in general) going away?</p>
<p>I'm looking a the spells in Starfinder and it seems to be a bit lacking in the kinds of magics where one makes their fellows perform better. I know this isn't Starfinder but I thought of that today and I'm kind of worried now. </blockquote><p>What type of buff spells are you thinking of? At the Delve tables at Paizocon I played a Cleric who had two buff spells. One was a Cantrip about buffing your ally against a certain enemy. The other was the good old Bless spell. +1 to attacks for everyone around you but you need to spend an action per round to keep it up...Morgen wrote:Hey sorry if this got asked already or is somewhere else but are the cleric buff spells (or buff spells in general) going away?
I'm looking a the spells in Starfinder and it seems to be a bit lacking in the kinds of magics where one makes their fellows perform better. I know this isn't Starfinder but I thought of that today and I'm kind of worried now.
What type of buff spells are you thinking of? At the Delve tables at Paizocon I played a Cleric who had two buff spells. One...Iron_Matt172018-06-14T21:13:43ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewMorgenhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9212018-06-14T21:06:06Z2018-06-14T21:06:06Z<p>Hey sorry if this got asked already or is somewhere else but are the cleric buff spells (or buff spells in general) going away?</p>
<p>I'm looking a the spells in Starfinder and it seems to be a bit lacking in the kinds of magics where one makes their fellows perform better. I know this isn't Starfinder but I thought of that today and I'm kind of worried now.</p>Hey sorry if this got asked already or is somewhere else but are the cleric buff spells (or buff spells in general) going away?
I'm looking a the spells in Starfinder and it seems to be a bit lacking in the kinds of magics where one makes their fellows perform better. I know this isn't Starfinder but I thought of that today and I'm kind of worried now.Morgen2018-06-14T21:06:06ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewTallow (alias of Andrew Christian)https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9202018-06-15T04:22:27Z2018-05-18T17:54:53Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">wanderer82 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Please, get rid of the 3rd edition "Clerics cast with Wisdom, but their other abilities are Charisma-based" insanity. EVERY other casting class, arcane or divine, uses only 1 stat for both spells and abilities. When you updated the paladin for pathfinder, you consolidated its abilities and spells both under Charisma. When you created the warpriest as a cleric/paladin/fighter hybrid, you gave it both spells and powers under Wisdom (even though you cloned paladin abilties for it). so WHY are you making the 2nd edition clerics need both Wisdom and Charisma!?!?!?!?!?!?</p>
<p>End the insanity and hate against clerics and allow them to focus on things besides healing... please. </blockquote><p>Actually, I'd rather make all classes MAD rather than SAD. SAD classes is one of the reasons characters end up so broken and beat the CR curve easily.wanderer82 wrote:Please, get rid of the 3rd edition "Clerics cast with Wisdom, but their other abilities are Charisma-based" insanity. EVERY other casting class, arcane or divine, uses only 1 stat for both spells and abilities. When you updated the paladin for pathfinder, you consolidated its abilities and spells both under Charisma. When you created the warpriest as a cleric/paladin/fighter hybrid, you gave it both spells and powers under Wisdom (even though you cloned paladin abilties for...Tallow (alias of Andrew Christian)2018-05-18T17:54:53ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewQuidEsthttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9192018-05-18T12:03:40Z2018-05-18T12:03:40Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">HWalsh wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">MerlinCross wrote:</div><blockquote><p> There's gonna be some kind of tag line for "This isn't a spell". </p>
<p>At least for monsters. As an example, I can't see Sandman's Sleep Aura being a Spell that it needs to cast while In combat now. </p>
<p>That's more for over in the Monster topic though. </blockquote>We know the Paladin's Detect Evil is a passive sense... </blockquote><p>Good point! I imagine there will be a category for magic that doesn’t follow spell rules.HWalsh wrote:MerlinCross wrote:There's gonna be some kind of tag line for "This isn't a spell".
At least for monsters. As an example, I can't see Sandman's Sleep Aura being a Spell that it needs to cast while In combat now.
That's more for over in the Monster topic though.
We know the Paladin's Detect Evil is a passive sense... Good point! I imagine there will be a category for magic that doesn’t follow spell rules.QuidEst2018-05-18T12:03:40ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewWeather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9182018-10-05T16:47:19Z2018-05-18T10:17:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">AnimatedPaper wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Weather Report wrote:</div><blockquote>So, it seems spell points are the new SLAs. That's cool, interested to see if the Ranger gets spell points. They could also be available in archetypes, so you could get your ki-blasting, elemental spell-slinging monk. </blockquote><p>Almost, but not quite. Spell-like and Supernatural abilities basically don't exist anymore, so no more consulting that never-to-be-sufficiently cursed chart to find out, "Can I cast it in a house? Can I cast it on a mouse? Can I cast it while being threatened by a mouse in a house?" They're all just spells, and work the same way. Some, powers, just take spell-points instead of slots.
<p>But yes I think all of the things you mentioned will be powers. And I think Rangers will only have powers instead of spellslots, since as you said that's apparently how paladins will work. I'm curious if Mediums and Bloodragers will eventually get the same treatment, but that's a ways away. </blockquote><p>Right on, yeah, like 5th Ed, a spell is a spell is a spell, being innate or due to caster levels. So slots and points are two different sources to fuel spells; and maybe another source that we have not seen yet (monsters might use, rather than slots or points).AnimatedPaper wrote:Weather Report wrote:So, it seems spell points are the new SLAs. That's cool, interested to see if the Ranger gets spell points. They could also be available in archetypes, so you could get your ki-blasting, elemental spell-slinging monk.
Almost, but not quite. Spell-like and Supernatural abilities basically don't exist anymore, so no more consulting that never-to-be-sufficiently cursed chart to find out, "Can I cast it in a house? Can I cast it on a mouse? Can I cast it...Weather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)2018-05-18T10:17:51ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewHWalshhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9172018-05-18T07:13:18Z2018-05-18T07:13:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">MerlinCross wrote:</div><blockquote><p> There's gonna be some kind of tag line for "This isn't a spell". </p>
<p>At least for monsters. As an example, I can't see Sandman's Sleep Aura being a Spell that it needs to cast while In combat now. </p>
<p>That's more for over in the Monster topic though. </blockquote><p>We know the Paladin's Detect Evil is a passive sense...MerlinCross wrote:There's gonna be some kind of tag line for "This isn't a spell".
At least for monsters. As an example, I can't see Sandman's Sleep Aura being a Spell that it needs to cast while In combat now.
That's more for over in the Monster topic though.
We know the Paladin's Detect Evil is a passive sense...HWalsh2018-05-18T07:13:18ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewMerlinCrosshttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9162018-05-18T02:58:33Z2018-05-18T02:58:33Z<p>There's gonna be some kind of tag line for "This isn't a spell". </p>
<p>At least for monsters. As an example, I can't see Sandman's Sleep Aura being a Spell that it needs to cast while In combat now. </p>
<p>That's more for over in the Monster topic though.</p>There's gonna be some kind of tag line for "This isn't a spell".
At least for monsters. As an example, I can't see Sandman's Sleep Aura being a Spell that it needs to cast while In combat now.
That's more for over in the Monster topic though.MerlinCross2018-05-18T02:58:33ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewAnimatedPaperhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9152018-05-18T02:53:20Z2018-05-18T02:53:20Z<p>Okay, that's a fair point. I can dream though.</p>
<p>Bright, sparkly dreams of that chart burning forever.</p>Okay, that's a fair point. I can dream though.
Bright, sparkly dreams of that chart burning forever.AnimatedPaper2018-05-18T02:53:20ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewDeadmanwalkinghttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9142018-05-18T08:15:11Z2018-05-18T02:47:45Z<p>We actually don't know that Supernatural stuff doesn't exist. In fact, I'd expect some things to very much still have a (Su) tag (though it may be restricted to things that work very differently from spells, like auras and other ongoing effects), it's too useful for things that are definitely not spells but still shouldn't work in an antimagic field. </p>
<p>Spell-like abilities are definitively gone, though.</p>We actually don't know that Supernatural stuff doesn't exist. In fact, I'd expect some things to very much still have a (Su) tag (though it may be restricted to things that work very differently from spells, like auras and other ongoing effects), it's too useful for things that are definitely not spells but still shouldn't work in an antimagic field.
Spell-like abilities are definitively gone, though.Deadmanwalking2018-05-18T02:47:45ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewAnimatedPaperhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9132018-05-18T04:49:27Z2018-05-18T02:39:00Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Weather Report wrote:</div><blockquote>So, it seems spell points are the new SLAs. That's cool, interested to see if the Ranger gets spell points. They could also be available in archetypes, so you could get your ki-blasting, elemental spell-slinging monk. </blockquote><p>Almost, but not quite. Spell-like and Supernatural abilities basically don't exist anymore, so no more consulting that never-to-be-sufficiently cursed chart to find out, "Can I cast it in a house? Can I cast it on a mouse? Can I cast it while being threatened by a mouse in a house?" They're all just spells, and work the same way. Some, powers, just take spell-points instead of slots.
<p>But yes I think all of the things you mentioned will be powers. And I think Rangers will only have powers instead of spellslots, since as you said that's apparently how paladins will work. I'm curious if Mediums and Bloodragers will eventually get the same treatment, but that's a ways away.</p>Weather Report wrote:So, it seems spell points are the new SLAs. That's cool, interested to see if the Ranger gets spell points. They could also be available in archetypes, so you could get your ki-blasting, elemental spell-slinging monk.
Almost, but not quite. Spell-like and Supernatural abilities basically don't exist anymore, so no more consulting that never-to-be-sufficiently cursed chart to find out, "Can I cast it in a house? Can I cast it on a mouse? Can I cast it while being...AnimatedPaper2018-05-18T02:39:00ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewPagan priesthttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9122018-05-17T23:18:31Z2018-05-17T23:18:31Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Set wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Pagan priest wrote:</div><blockquote> I miss the versatility of the 2nd ed specialty priests. War priest, inquisitor and cleric cover part of it, but I would like to see the possibility for someone with less armor & combat capability and more skill & special power type abilities. </blockquote><p>Ditto, although the specialty priests that did exist were not particularly balanced with each other, let alone other classes (ooh, this one lets you multi-class with wizard, as a human, and cast your wizard spells in plate armor! And this other one lets you tell if someone is lying and has way less spells and armor than a standard cleric...).
<p>There's a part of me that wants totally on-theme clerics for each deity, and another part of me that shudders at the notion, particularly for a setting with more than a half-dozen or so gods (or mostly just one for each alignment, like Dragonlance or the Scarred Lands).</p>
<p>Since most settings have dozens, if not hundreds of gods, including entirely new pantheons of gods with oft-overlapping areas of concern for different races and regions and cultures, you'd pretty much have to create dozens of different sub-classes of 'cleric,' with some very different warrior-clerics for gods like Iomedae and Gorum and some also quite different types of cloth-caster 'white mages' for gods like Shelyn and Nethys, and all sorts of stuff in between.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>Yeah, balance was always a problem. Of course, in a rational setting, not all of the specialty clerics would need to be balanced as an adventuring class. Some Gods would expect Their clerics to stay at home taking care of the worshipers and not gallivanting all over the countryside, kicking down doors just to slay the monster and take its treasure. Murderhobos need not apply.
<p>Forgotten Realms had two books with information on the deities from that setting. Every pantheon in the world, and if I remember correctly, every God from every pantheon, each with their own write-up, and a specialty cleric for each. It can be done, it is just a question of being worth the trouble.</p>Set wrote:Pagan priest wrote: I miss the versatility of the 2nd ed specialty priests. War priest, inquisitor and cleric cover part of it, but I would like to see the possibility for someone with less armor & combat capability and more skill & special power type abilities.
Ditto, although the specialty priests that did exist were not particularly balanced with each other, let alone other classes (ooh, this one lets you multi-class with wizard, as a human, and cast your wizard spells in plate...Pagan priest2018-05-17T23:18:31ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewCatharsishttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9112018-05-15T13:42:02Z2018-05-15T13:42:02Z<p>Those are limited resources, though. For a true weaponless Cleric, you‘d need an attack cantrip. Would be cool if there were some on the Cleric list (Searing Light?), or perhaps if one of the spells granted by the deity was an attack cantrip.</p>Those are limited resources, though. For a true weaponless Cleric, you‘d need an attack cantrip. Would be cool if there were some on the Cleric list (Searing Light?), or perhaps if one of the spells granted by the deity was an attack cantrip.Catharsis2018-05-15T13:42:02ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewQuidEsthttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9102018-05-15T12:14:38Z2018-05-15T12:14:38Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Catharsis wrote:</div><blockquote> I‘m still most curious about whether reliable Clerical blasting is going to be a thing, at least for some domains, or whether all Clerics have to have weapon training. </blockquote><p>Sarenrae grants Fireball, and I'm betting Rovagug and 50% of Nethys will lean heavily into evocation. Using a domain for blasting will probably be weaker than using spells (since domain powers are weaker than your highest level spells, but stronger than cantrips), but since each power you get increases your pool, you can probably make a large blasting reserve with it.Catharsis wrote:I‘m still most curious about whether reliable Clerical blasting is going to be a thing, at least for some domains, or whether all Clerics have to have weapon training.
Sarenrae grants Fireball, and I'm betting Rovagug and 50% of Nethys will lean heavily into evocation. Using a domain for blasting will probably be weaker than using spells (since domain powers are weaker than your highest level spells, but stronger than cantrips), but since each power you get increases your...QuidEst2018-05-15T12:14:38ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewCatharsishttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9092018-05-15T09:42:50Z2018-05-15T09:42:50Z<p>I‘m still most curious about whether reliable Clerical blasting is going to be a thing, at least for some domains, or whether all Clerics have to have weapon training.</p>I‘m still most curious about whether reliable Clerical blasting is going to be a thing, at least for some domains, or whether all Clerics have to have weapon training.Catharsis2018-05-15T09:42:50ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewWeather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9082018-10-05T16:47:19Z2018-05-15T08:58:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">QuidEst wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Diego Rossi wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Weather Report wrote:</div><blockquote> I was just thinking, reading all this, we still don't know how or if 4/9, 6/9 what-have-you, will be in PF2,, looks like the Paladin is not going any such route. </blockquote><p>1) Alchemists don't have spell slots;
<p>2) Paladins don't seem to have spell slots.</p>
<p>Both have spell points to fuels specific spells or abilities.</p>
<p>I think with will have classes with 10 levels of spell slots and classes with spell abilities fueled by Spell points, but no class with 4 or 6 levels of regular spells. </blockquote>Alchemist uses resonance- we haven’t seen any spell point abilities for them yet. </blockquote><p>So, it seems spell points are the new SLAs. That's cool, interested to see if the Ranger gets spell points. They could also be available in archetypes, so you could get your ki-blasting, elemental spell-slinging monk.QuidEst wrote:Diego Rossi wrote: Weather Report wrote: I was just thinking, reading all this, we still don't know how or if 4/9, 6/9 what-have-you, will be in PF2,, looks like the Paladin is not going any such route.
1) Alchemists don't have spell slots; 2) Paladins don't seem to have spell slots.
Both have spell points to fuels specific spells or abilities.
I think with will have classes with 10 levels of spell slots and classes with spell abilities fueled by Spell points, but no class...Weather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)2018-05-15T08:58:13ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class Previewdoc rochttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9072018-05-15T14:59:34Z2018-05-15T07:33:23Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Diego Rossi wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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Yes, the proof that you have an opinion and dismiss any different opinion. You proposed a test, the result isn't what you want, and now try to belittle it as the result is not what you want.
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That is not how you "debate", it is the way of shouting "I am right" when someone try to discuss with you. </p>
<p></blockquote><p>The problem is that facts are facts...
<p>Paizo themselves admitted that their design of the PF1 cleric was poor/uninspiring/bland.... that one fact is in itself all the proof required, since it also confirms what large portions of the PF community have been saying for years, and provides evidence as to why 3PP 'alternative cleric' options have been amongst the most requested and popular. </p>
<p>I am not "shouting" anything... merely stating facts. That you might not like them is irrelevant. And yes in debates, most often there is a side with the more convincing argument. </p>
<p>If you choose to believe that all is well with PF cleric then I wish you the best of luck. :)</p>Diego Rossi wrote:Yes, the proof that you have an opinion and dismiss any different opinion. You proposed a test, the result isn't what you want, and now try to belittle it as the result is not what you want.
That is not how you "debate", it is the way of shouting "I am right" when someone try to discuss with you.
The problem is that facts are facts... Paizo themselves admitted that their design of the PF1 cleric was poor/uninspiring/bland.... that one fact is in itself all the proof...doc roc2018-05-15T07:33:23ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewDiego Rossihttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9062018-05-15T07:18:01Z2018-05-15T06:22:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">QuidEst wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Diego Rossi wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Weather Report wrote:</div><blockquote> I was just thinking, reading all this, we still don't know how or if 4/9, 6/9 what-have-you, will be in PF2,, looks like the Paladin is not going any such route. </blockquote><p>1) Alchemists don't have spell slots;
<p>2) Paladins don't seem to have spell slots.</p>
<p>Both have spell points to fuels specific spells or abilities.</p>
<p>I think with will have classes with 10 levels of spell slots and classes with spell abilities fueled by Spell points, but no class with 4 or 6 levels of regular spells. </blockquote>Alchemist uses resonance- we haven’t seen any spell point abilities for them yet. </blockquote><p>I see Resonance as functionally equivalent to Spell points, only with a different name to avoid stacking them together. If I am not mistaken Spell points from different classes are added together and can be used for all the abilities that use Spell points.QuidEst wrote:Diego Rossi wrote: Weather Report wrote: I was just thinking, reading all this, we still don't know how or if 4/9, 6/9 what-have-you, will be in PF2,, looks like the Paladin is not going any such route.
1) Alchemists don't have spell slots; 2) Paladins don't seem to have spell slots.
Both have spell points to fuels specific spells or abilities.
I think with will have classes with 10 levels of spell slots and classes with spell abilities fueled by Spell points, but no class...Diego Rossi2018-05-15T06:22:32ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewQuidEsthttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9052018-05-14T20:07:41Z2018-05-14T20:07:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Diego Rossi wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Weather Report wrote:</div><blockquote> I was just thinking, reading all this, we still don't know how or if 4/9, 6/9 what-have-you, will be in PF2,, looks like the Paladin is not going any such route. </blockquote><p>1) Alchemists don't have spell slots;
<p>2) Paladins don't seem to have spell slots.</p>
<p>Both have spell points to fuels specific spells or abilities.</p>
<p>I think with will have classes with 10 levels of spell slots and classes with spell abilities fueled by Spell points, but no class with 4 or 6 levels of regular spells. </blockquote><p>Alchemist uses resonance- we haven’t seen any spell point abilities for them yet.Diego Rossi wrote:Weather Report wrote: I was just thinking, reading all this, we still don't know how or if 4/9, 6/9 what-have-you, will be in PF2,, looks like the Paladin is not going any such route.
1) Alchemists don't have spell slots; 2) Paladins don't seem to have spell slots.
Both have spell points to fuels specific spells or abilities.
I think with will have classes with 10 levels of spell slots and classes with spell abilities fueled by Spell points, but no class with 4 or 6...QuidEst2018-05-14T20:07:41ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Cleric Class PreviewThe Raven Blackhttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqb&page=19?Cleric-Class-Preview#9042018-05-14T19:43:12Z2018-05-14T19:43:12Z<p>Bard should be interesting since they are the likely casters of the mysterious fourth list. Will they reach 9th-level spells in PF2 ?</p>Bard should be interesting since they are the likely casters of the mysterious fourth list. Will they reach 9th-level spells in PF2 ?The Raven Black2018-05-14T19:43:12Z