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Please let me have space science... I want to be a man of science in a field that is unstable... I'm not asking for a lot...Just give it to me Paizo.
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Like I said, I understand that feeling. But his work on Iron Gods (and Eberron back in the day) is very good...I'm not impressed by the art though. Please get WAR front and centre. ;)No thanks...it's past time for a new direction in RPG art. Besides, a distinct game deserves a distinct look.
I'm a huge fan of Wayne Reynolds' work myself, but I agree it would probably be a better move to let a different artist spearhead the visual design of Starfinder; WAR has well-established himself as the visual "face" of PF (much like Tony DiTerlizzi did with Planescape, or Todd Lockwood with 3rd Edition D&D), so I think maybe rather than dilute Starfinder with "more of the same" (excellent though it undoubtedly would be), we should be looking towards a new creative vision to discover & explore together.
This!
Agreeing with the cow.
Starfinder is a stellar opportunity to streamline things. Owen's post brings me hope that Starfinder will support Serenity docking alongside the Phoenix and the Spelljammer, and characters who use nanotech healing kits looking askance at being healed by a cleric of Erastil.
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I know what Lisa said, but I'm worried this will cause a slip in original PF quality, much like the ACG when the team was distracted with PF Online. That ended up a debacle IMHO. Hopefully they have learned from that and will be fine. I'm definitely worried, though.I can tell you that there was not a single editorial team resource that got distracted by Pathfinder Online. There was maybe a once every two weeks 1 hour approval meeting. That is that. Pathfinder Online had next to zero impact on the Paizo editorial team.
-Lisa
I worried at the time that a whole bunch of paizonauts writing Thornkeep and Emerald Spire might have an impact. Extra work is extra work.
CEO
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I worried at the time that a whole bunch of paizonauts writing Thornkeep and Emerald Spire might have an impact. Extra work is extra work.
Remember, those adventures just took the spot of normal adventures. Sure, the Emerald Spire Supermodule was a bit bigger, but we didn't release one of our normal releases to get it done. Heck, Crimson Throne is even larger and we did that without even cutting out other releases.
-Lisa
If Starfinder blows up in a good way and there is demand for a lot more product than we are planning, then there will be a lot more employees hired to make that product. I repeat once again, Starfinder will NOT take away resources from Pathfinder. Pathfinder is the goose that laid the golden egg. I will not be risking that goose ever.
-Lisa
Cool. That makes a successful Starfinder a win-win, no matter how one feels about actually playing science-fantasy. A larger pool of creative talent can only help both lines.
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I'm liking this. Yeah it could be spell-jammer like, but imagine now you can create a world like eternia (he-man's world) or possibly future earth like on thundarr the barbarian. Can't wait to see this stuff.
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I'm a huge fan of Wayne Reynolds' work myself, but I agree it would probably be a better move to let a different artist spearhead the visual design of Starfinder; WAR has well-established himself as the visual "face" of PF (much like Tony DiTerlizzi did with Planescape, or Todd Lockwood with 3rd Edition D&D), so I think maybe rather than dilute Starfinder with "more of the same" (excellent though it undoubtedly would be), we should be looking towards a new creative vision to discover & explore together.Like I said, I understand that feeling. But his work on Iron Gods (and Eberron back in the day) is very good...I'm not impressed by the art though. Please get WAR front and centre. ;)No thanks...it's past time for a new direction in RPG art. Besides, a distinct game deserves a distinct look.
RK Post. I loved his work for StarDrive. He can handle scifi and all the strangeness that it brings.
SM
I have this horrible image in my mind of Techno-Bards running around....
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I have this horrible image in my mind of Techno-Bards running around....
Don't worry, you'll be seeing me with my Ruby Rhod bard on awesome adventures with a taxi cab driving fighter and his orange hair female assassin.
I've always disliked it. And when I say it's stupid, I don't mean "Yeah it was a dumb idea", I mean it's stupid in universe.
Any given spell is by default cast at absolute max power, and requires the same amount of energy or preparation whether it is or is not. A CL 10 Wizard uses the same amount of resources as a CL 5 Wizard when casting a CL 5 Fireball...would he not have better control over that, given the vast gulf in experience between the two?
You'd think SOMEONE across the millenia would fiddle around and try to fix that...but no. Nobody has succeeded (nor, is it indicated, even TRIED).
/tangent
How are your feelings towards the "undercast"-feature of certain Psychic spells?
I've always disliked it. And when I say it's stupid, I don't mean "Yeah it was a dumb idea", I mean it's stupid in universe.
Any given spell is by default cast at absolute max power, and requires the same amount of energy or preparation whether it is or is not. A CL 10 Wizard uses the same amount of resources as a CL 5 Wizard when casting a CL 5 Fireball...would he not have better control over that, given the vast gulf in experience between the two?
You'd think SOMEONE across the millenia would fiddle around and try to fix that...but no. Nobody has succeeded (nor, is it indicated, even TRIED).
/tangent
How are your feelings towards the "undercast"-feature of certain Psychic spells?
I think it's really cool, as a concept. A bit under-utilized since it's a grand total of like 7 spells, and the differences between them are so slight that they being multiple different spells is more book space than really necessary, but a neat concept.
Does this mean I get to fly a hyperdreadnought?
I'd love to be able to run a version of Homeworld as a campaign.
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*raises hand*
Gip, Mighteist of Space Pirates™, asks that Goblins be a Core Race.
Totally excited about this! I've been playing a Castrovel Elf in PFS for years. Totes legal after Sovyrian Intellectual was introduced FWIW—though I started playing him before that but whatever. As the resident and unasked for interplanetary Pathfinder expert at most PFS tables I join, I can't wait to put some of that knowledge to use in a full game!
PF Online failed for completely different reasons and there were actually enough loud people around to cheer that up.
Sadly the majority of people, who tends to be rather casual most likely, and investors thought different. Current trends in online games proof them. The MMO PVP just wasn´t the right thing there it seems.I don't want to hijack this thread, but Pathfinder Online hasn't been successful to date because it isn't a finished game. It didn't have the funding that it needed to make the game envisioned. That will be changing very soon. You can't judge the success of a game that hasn't been completed because there isn't a lot of people wanting to play the game during its development stages. We shall see what happens in two years once a new company takes over with many millions of dollars of investment and nearly 4 times the staff that Goblinworks had.
Anyway, I don't want to discuss this here, but needed to correct this.
-Lisa
All fair points! I would be most happy to see it successful, even when i personaly would prefer a singleplayer with multiplayer options :D
I have this horrible image in my mind of Techno-Bards running around....Don't worry, you'll be seeing me with my Ruby Rhod bard on awesome adventures with a taxi cab driving fighter and his orange hair female assassin.
but...I was gonna be ruby rhod....
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Well then you gotta ask yourself what do you actually want/mean out of it being "canon"? You already know it's going to be a "possible future". That means it will never be stated with absolute certainty to be *the* future of Golarion. It also most likely means that they won't go out of their way in Pathfinder to make it impossible for the setting of Starfinder to come to be. Do you mean will they ever reference the Starfinder events in Pathfinder? Why or how would they, given that it's far, far in the future. So, by asking whether it is canon, what are you actually asking?
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I wanted to know if it's in the official future of the pathfinder universe:|
The answer is yes and no.
Or the answer is that it's as much as Golarion's official future as a universe with time travel will allow. Also this is a future with a huge non-linear gap in time lost that happened across the multiverse so the galaxy could be in the matrix, technically in the past, in another dimension or in the dream of a water-soccer player for all we know.
The question doesn't have a definite answer in context so you're never going to get one.
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That's okay because this answer satisfies me enough:)I wanted to know if it's in the official future of the pathfinder universe:|The answer is yes and no.
Or the answer is that it's as much as Golarion's official future as a universe with time travel will allow. Also this is a future with a huge non-linear gap in time lost that happened across the multiverse so the galaxy could be in the matrix, technically in the past, in another dimension or in the dream of a water-soccer player for all we know.
The question doesn't have a definite answer in context so you're never going to get one.
Malwing is spot-on. As befits a science fantasy setting, Starfinder is quantum superposition canon: it both is and is not the actual future of Pathfinder until observed by an outside party—you—at which point the wave function collapses and it becomes either canon or not for your game. :D
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*raises hand*
Gip, Mighteist of Space Pirates™, asks that Goblins be a Core Race.
Motion seconded on behalf of the Imperial Goblin Space Navy (Someday We Might Even Get A Ship!)
This sounds similar to the old DragonStar Series by Fantasy Flight Games.
Which is an amazing setting that was hobbled by being released in the rules transition from D&D 3.0 to 3.5 and the flood of badly written d20 products. Also, no digital support, the supplements where never finished and FFG is just sitting on the license doing nothing with it.
DS is a natural as a SF setting. :)
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...Starfinder is quantum superposition canon: it both is and is not the actual future of Pathfinder until observed by an outside party—you—at which point the wave function collapses and it becomes either canon or not for your game. :D
A quantum superposition cannon should really be a weapon in the game.
Not interested in the least.
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Interested enough to post about it :p
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Malwing is spot-on. As befits a science fantasy setting, Starfinder is quantum superposition canon: it both is and is not the actual future of Pathfinder until observed by an outside party—you—at which point the wave function collapses and it becomes either canon or not for your game. :D
This is pretty much the best way to establish the canon of your home game, regardless of edition, if you're using someone else's setting.
Whether that be deciding if you want to play through the Greyhawk Wars, the Realms Time of Troubles, or to introduce those new races/classes/spells that just came out in the shiny new book, which threaten to turn everything the PCs knew on its head.It's up to each individual GM to decide what they consider Year Zero for their campaign, and what gets added after that point.
Since Paizo produce material faster than I (or many customers) can run it, play it, or read it, this buffet approach is the only way to stay sane.
Motion seconded on behalf of the Imperial Goblin Space Navy (Someday We Might Even Get A Ship!)*raises hand*
Gip, Mighteist of Space Pirates™, asks that Goblins be a Core Race.
Goblns can't have nice things, at least not for long...
That's why financing the Goblin Royal Navy is generally considered a sucker bet!
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Motion seconded on behalf of the Imperial Goblin Space Navy (Someday We Might Even Get A Ship!)*raises hand*
Gip, Mighteist of Space Pirates™, asks that Goblins be a Core Race.
Can't we all just clump onto a spelljammer helm or ion drive, and cling together like those rafts fireants make of themselves?
I'd like to see mechanics for non-combat encounters included in the core rulebook, but then, I'm the kind of nerd who watches The Jewel in the Crown and thinks "This is like the best space D&D campaign ever, if the British Empire was the Interstellar Empire and the Indians were their Denebian subject race!"
Huh. Wasn't expecting that. At all.
Well, it remains to be seen how it will turn out. But I'm interested!