Alexander Augunas Contributor |
Mike Selinker Adventure Card Game Designer |
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
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That lineup sounds quite awesome this year!
Sadly, I won't be able to make it.
Happily, it's because I'll be getting married this weekend.
Hopefully, our talk of attending PaizoCon as future wedding anniversaries comes to pass. :)
And you didn't try to have your wedding *at* PaizoCon?
First World Bard |
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And you didn't try to have your wedding *at* PaizoCon?
Sarah's from Wisconsin, my family is in New Jersey, and our friends are in Boston and New York. Seattle may be a wonderful place, but it isn't exactly convenient in the "getting there" sense for our guests.
That said, I will be getting married with a snazzy Pathfinder-inspired wedding band.Frencois |
Vic Wertz wrote:And you didn't try to have your wedding *at* PaizoCon?Sarah's from Wisconsin, my family is in New Jersey, and our friends are in Boston and New York. Seattle may be a wonderful place, but it isn't exactly convenient in the "getting there" sense for our guests.
That said, I will be getting married with a snazzy Pathfinder-inspired wedding band.
May the blessing of Calistria be on you.
Yes I know, Calistria may not be the first goddess you think of to bless a wedding but hey, cannot dispel my own RPG character second life totally :-)
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
Hawkmoon269 |
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I'd even love a PaizoCon Lite East. Obviously with less ease for employees to be in the east, you'd have to lessen the seminars and what not, but even just a 2 day lots of PACG and RPG with a few Paizo and Loneshark Employees would be fantastic. And I think Delaware would be the perfect state for such a thing.
James McKendrew |
I'd even love a PaizoCon Lite East. Obviously with less ease for employees to be in the east, you'd have to lessen the seminars and what not, but even just a 2 day lots of PACG and RPG with a few Paizo and Loneshark Employees would be fantastic. And I think Delaware would be the perfect state for such a thing.
With some advanced warning, I'd go to PaizoConLiteEast (PCLE, pronounced Pickle?) in Deleware (or, indeed, the DC Metro area, even more ideally).
Schnappy das kleine Kobold |
I'd even love a PaizoCon Lite East. Obviously with less ease for employees to be in the east, you'd have to lessen the seminars and what not, but even just a 2 day lots of PACG and RPG with a few Paizo and Loneshark Employees would be fantastic. And I think Delaware would be the perfect state for such a thing.
Oh, the joys of tax-free shopping...
Mike Selinker Adventure Card Game Designer |
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(So keep your hopes up for that Hyperloop!)
I'm on board for anything co-designed by Brogan "K-Bro" BamBrogan.
James McKendrew |
I'm on board for anything co-designed by Brogan "K-Bro" BamBrogan.
Is it the mustache? I think we'll all understand if it's the mustache...
Mike Selinker Adventure Card Game Designer |
Mike Selinker wrote:I'm on board for anything co-designed by Brogan "K-Bro" BamBrogan.Is it the mustache? I think we'll all understand if it's the mustache...
It's the *power* of the mustache.
Beagle |
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Are these 'Seasons of ...' ever going to be printed as a set in either soft/hard cover format? PDF's just aren't my cup of tea. I've just bought the Season of Shackles card set and I would ideally like to work off of a nice printed materials in book form. I have been holding off on purchasing the PDFs for some time hoping that a printed edition would become available.
cartmanbeck RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16 |
Are these 'Seasons of ...' ever going to be printed as a set in either soft/hard cover format? PDF's just aren't my cup of tea. I've just bought the Season of Shackles card set and I would ideally like to work off of a nice printed materials in book form. I have been holding off on purchasing the PDFs for some time hoping that a printed edition would become available.
I highly doubt they'll do printed versions of these for the same reason that they don't do printed versions of Pathfinder Society Scenarios... not enough people would buy them to make it worth their energy.
Hawkmoon269 |
You could buy the pdfs and have them printed and even bound if you so desire. See this FAQ.
Beagle |
Individually printed I agree, but what about printing the complete season as a whole, single printed book. These 'seasons' effectively double the life of the base sets which people have already invested in. Surely there is a market here of existing owners of RotR/SaS/WotR/MM base sets plus add-on packs. With the inclusion of the Season of ... printable card sets the longevity of the game is increased, making it worth investing in a printed book to accompany the relevant printed 'season' card set. Also each 'season' book could include Card Guild setup & play instructions.
Beagle |
@Hawkmoon269
So could I buy all of the PDFs and ask a 3rd party company to print all of these and bind then into a single book? If yes, do you or anyone else know where this could be achieved (it sounds costly and quality could be an issue)?
I still think that Paizo is missing something here, this is a good product that isn't being marketed/made available. At some point in the future there is a complete new adventure waiting for every owner of the game, these 'seasons' allow gamers to get more value out of products they have already heavily invested in.
Hawkmoon269 |
Correct. If you are in the US, most office supply stores have print services. So Staples or other such places can do it for you. You could also try such places as the UPS Store, which have print services.
They may want you to offer proof that you are allowed to print it, which my require pointing them to that FAQ I listed and showing them that you are the owner of the pdf in some fashion.
The reason Paizo is unlikely to offer a physical printing of such a product is that they would likely not make an profit from it and in fact might lose money on it. While you might be passionate about such a thing, the question is how many other people would also be passionate about it? Is it enough to justify Paizo having someone devote time to laying them out as a printed book? And would the print run be large enough that they could be printed cheap enough to offer them at a price low enough that enough people would want to buy it?
Beagle |
I'm in the UK and I will investigate options here, although web-portal printing is probably the way to go here. If you know of any reputable links please do send them.
Perhaps you are right, it's not that I am passionate, it just makes sense to me having seen that Paizo has added character mats, a play mat, wizkid mini characters, class decks and has set about initiating an organised play model for PAGC. Also they seem committed to this game into the near future beyond the next release. They have spent money on character mats for promos so I didn't think it was a stretch for them to add a line of printed 'Season of...' books. Particularly since the Organised Play model is still being fleshed out.
Do you think it is possible that the APP version of this game will eventually have 'Season of ...' adventure paths available?
NyteJKL |
Was just thinking about this the other day and was wondering why they haven't leveraged DriveThruRPG and their print on demand service.
I had purchased Hero Kids last year to introduce my kids to tabletop RPG and you can either purchase a PDF or pay additional for a printed copy of the core rule book that is printed on demand (or so it says), which I was able to get a soft bound copy of.
Since it looks like they have a partnership with DriveThru for the custom cards feature, not sure why they couldn't just have the collection available there at whatever rate works for them, and people can just order as they need/want it. They would not need to keep inventory of books that may just sit there.
Beagle |
Makes good sense to me, I'm already committed to using DriveThru for Errata, Season of ... Cards and Community Cards so why not Soft Bound Season of ... Books. I hope the Paizo Team/Mike/Tanis reads this as you have had a good idea here. I have not ordered any books this way as yet, what is the quality like?
Theryon Stormrune |
I actually had some good conversations with Vic over this weekend and there is plenty on everyone's plate. Having Paizo go to a printer to get adventure paths produced in a hardbound or softbound format is not cost effective for them. It just won't sell enough units to make it profitable. The current format, PDFs, is easy to distribute and has worked for years with Pathfinder Society.
One of the reasons this format works is that if corrections need to be made, a fix can be applied to the PDFs. Not a nightmare of proofing material for a printer. It allows Paizo to be flexible in a manner that is just not possible for their printed material (Pathfinder RPG). Can you imagine if you had gotten Season 0 printed after it came out then a few months after Season 1 came out and the newer Tier system was implemented, Season 0's rewards were revised. That would be a nightmare. You'd be complaining left and right. But in PDF format, you just reprint and put the changes in the binder.
As far as DriveThru PrintOnDemand service, it just wouldn't be convenient for Paizo to make sure their content has to be maintained on their site as well as Paizo 's. (Quality is sometimes good, sometimes meh. Formatting is an issue with some PDFs-to-Print.)
Beagle |
Everything you say makes perfect sense for RPG materials, and having read quite a few threads on multiple blogs/threads I am well aware of your background knowledge of this game and other Paizo gaming formats, for which I offer you my respect.
I am coming at this from a different angle/perspective, more as a general gamer who has committed to this game long-term without feeling the need to delve deeper into other Paizo gaming formats. This is a card based game closer to a board game (once corrected not likely to change after a season is finished) than an RPG so it is not a stretch for customers to want printed materials of complete (and corrected) seasons. I don't have the time or gaming group necessary to RPG and this game has scratched that itch for me solo, and in group play and gaming materials/resources add to the play-through experience (which is where I am coming from, so to speak).
Thanks for the heads up with regard to DriveThru PrintOnDemand services though, I appreciate your advice in this regard. Thus far I have only used their card printing facilities and I have had no major problems/issues there. It seems that there will only ever be PDFs available and I will buy into this in time reluctantly. I will wait (some time) though, just in case Paizo responds either positively or negatively to this query.
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
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We reevaluate the possibility of authorizing print-on-demand books on a fairly regular basis, but we're still just not satisfied with the quality level yet, especially with full-color products (which is the only kind of product we do).
Do you think it is possible that the APP version of this game will eventually have 'Season of ...' adventure paths available?
It's not impossible, but due to the complexity of the scenarios, I wouldn't look for it anytime soon. If you're familiar with RotR, you'll know that Adventure Deck 3, The Hook Mountain Massacre, contains five scenarios: four that are relatively straightforward, and one, Here Comes the Flood, that's a real departure from everything that has come before, mechanically speaking. During the Obsidian panel at PaizoCon this weekend, I asked Nathan from Obsidian what percentage of AP3 scenario development was spent on Here Comes the Flood, and I believe he estimated it as around 80% of the work. Well, PFSACG scenarios *regularly* have that kind of complexity. When Obsidian is deciding what to do next, it's hard to imagine PFSACG scenarios coming to the top until they've exhausted the regular APs, which only *occasionally* get that crazy.