Advanced Class Guide Preview: Arcanist

Tuesday, July 1, 2014

The arcanist was one of the more difficult classes to design in the Advanced Class Guide. When the idea first came together, it was based almost entirely upon mechanics. As an arcane caster that can prepare spells like a wizard, but cast them like a sorcerer, the idea was an interesting one, but when we presented it in the first round of the playtest the deficiency became clear. What is an arcanist?

As the playtest rolled on, this problem became more and more clear. The class had an interesting basic mechanic, but it needed a story hook and mechanics to support that idea. It was clear that we needed to go back to the drawing board. Looking at the wizard as the arcane caster that learns through study and the sorcerer who masters magic by drawing upon the power in his blood, the arcanist needed to fall somewhere between the two.


Illustration by Subroto Bhaumik

Ultimately, we decided on making the arcanist about tinkering with the underlying forces of arcane magic, using a combination of study and innate talent to break magic down and shape it to fit her needs. Combining that concept with an arcane reservoir, a pool of power that the arcanist can use to fuel exploits that break the rules of magic, the class really started to come together. In the second draft of the playtest, we knew we were on the right track. Most playtesters were concerned about power balance, but the overall consensus was that the changes we made gave the class a place in the game all its own.

While the final version of the class is very close to the second playtest version, the big changes came to the arcane exploits (like all of the exploits that dealt energy damage got a boost). These abilities are what make the arcanist unique and in the final version we added a large number of them to the class, giving you a wider variety of character types you can build with the class. Take a look!

Energy Shield (Su): The arcanist can protect herself from energy damage as a standard action by expending 1 point from her arcane reservoir. She must pick one energy type and gains resistance 10 against that energy type for 1 minute per arcanist level. This protection increases by 5 for every 5 levels the arcanist possesses (up to a maximum of 30 at 20th level).

Quick Study (Ex): The arcanist can prepare a spell in place of an existing spell by expending 1 point from her arcane reservoir. Using this ability is a full-round action that provokes an attack of opportunity. The arcanist must be able to reference her spellbook when using this ability. The spell prepared must be of the same level as the spell being replaced.

In addition, we added a number of greater exploits to the class as well, adding powerful tool to the high level arcanist.

Suffering Knowledge (Su): The arcanist can learn to cast a spell by suffering from its effects. When the arcanist fails a saving throw against a spell cast by an enemy, as an immediate action she can expend 1 point from her arcane reservoir to temporarily acquire the spell. She can cast the spell using her spell slots as if it was a spell she had prepared that day. The spell must be on the sorcerer/wizard spell list and must be of a level that she can cast. The ability to cast this spell remains for a number of rounds equal to the arcanist’s Charisma modifier (minimum 1).

Of course, the Advanced Class Guide also features a number of fun new archetypes to use with the arcanist. There is the blade adept, who gains a sentient sword and select a limited number of magus arcana instead of arcane exploits. You can also play a brown-fur transmuter, whose reservoir can be used to bolster the power of her transmutation spells. The eldritch font gains more spell slots, but can prepare fewer spells per day. An elemental master focuses her power on just one element, but to much greater effect. While there are a number of other archetypes for the arcanist, there is one more that needs to be called out. The white mage can expend points from her arcane reservoir to allow her to cast cure spells with her spell slots, but at higher levels she can even cast breath of life.

Well that about wraps up the preview for this week. Check back in next week for songs of bravery and rage!

Jason Bulmahn
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I do think myself that the Arcanist was pretty poorly thought out as a concept from the get-go (which was reinforced by its first draft being essentially flavorless).

I was holding out for a good implementation, but we didn't get that either from what I can tell.

So now I'm just sad we don't have an out of the box Arcane Trickster sort.

The PrC is cool and s~@~ but waiting until 6th level to get your character even STARTING to function mechanically is less than ideal.

It's a pretty classic character trope and it just baffles me that we got the Arcanist (Basically just a Wizard) and Hunter (Basically just a s**+tier Ranger/Druid) instead.

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LazarX wrote:
BrazenBadger wrote:

Honestly, you could nerf or buff this class up or down and I'd still probably wanna play one.

Personally, even from the old days, I always found the wizard (then magic user) class a bit 'meh'. I love magic in fantasy fiction, but playing one never felt very magical. Like, I wanted Doctor Strange and got Harry Potter. .

So basically what you want out of a magician is a comic book superhero, not a classic literary spellcaster. Because that is what Dr. Strange is. he fires off spells pretty much the same way that other characters throw up force fields and energy blasts.

I struggle with the idea that the wizard is a great representative of a classic literary spellcaster. The overwhelming majority of spellcasting I've seen done in fiction has been something much closer to what the sorcerer does. Casters have some spell or power they know and cast it whenever they want but it exhausts some pool of power they have.

The other way I see spellcasting done is more along the lines of rituals where they have a spell book out and are referring it as they prepare and perform the ritual. This also lacks the "Magic Missile twice, color spray once" sort of aspect.

The big and obvious exceptions to this are books which are built around RPGs.

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Cthulhudrew wrote:
Dennis Baker wrote:
I'm listening to the Grey Mouser stories right now and read them many years ago. As far as I know, he doesn't do any actual spellcasting (maybe none?).
He certainly seems to do some in The Unholy Grail, but that's the only place I recall offhand.

It's going to take me some time to get back through all the books so I'll take your word for it. My point stands though, Mouser is good with a blade, he's good with a lock pick, a fine acrobat, and he has a pretty decent understanding of magic... but he doesn't perform magic routinely. If Mouser kills things, Scalpel is usually involved. His knowledge of magic is mostly used to avoid effects, bypass traps, or defend against magical critters/ attacks.

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Dennis Baker wrote:
Cthulhudrew wrote:
Dennis Baker wrote:
I'm listening to the Grey Mouser stories right now and read them many years ago. As far as I know, he doesn't do any actual spellcasting (maybe none?).
He certainly seems to do some in The Unholy Grail, but that's the only place I recall offhand.
It's going to take me some time to get back through all the books so I'll take your word for it. My point stands though, Mouser is good with a blade, he's good with a lock pick, a fine acrobat, and he has a pretty decent understanding of magic... but he doesn't perform magic routinely. If Mouser kills things, Scalpel is usually involved. His knowledge of magic is mostly used to avoid effects, bypass traps, or defend against magical critters/ attacks.

Sounds like a normal rogue to me.


Orthos wrote:
Ventnor wrote:
I'll just say that the mechanics of the Arcanist makes playing a scholarly-type caster actually palatable to me. I'm not the biggest fan of prepared-style casters.
Seconded. As I've said many times in this thread, now I can play the highly-intelligent, casts-from-a-book mage archetype without having to deal with prepared casting or fiddle with weirdly trying to reflavor a sorcerer or psionicist.

Not to mention the swapping the familiar out for an ability...you have no idea how long it takes any of my group to decide what familiar they want at level one--and I'm worse! To top things off, most of us see a familiar or bonded item as a liability.

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Dennis Baker wrote:
The big and obvious exceptions to this are books which are built around RPGs.

Roger Zelazny used it in the Merlin saga of the Chronicles of Amber, but you're right that that type of portrayal are few and far between.

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brad2411 wrote:
Sounds like a normal rogue to me.

... which isn't too surprising considering the Grey Mouser books are hugely influential on early D&D and the "thief" class was based largely on the Grey Mouser. With the rogue being the inheritor of that legacy.


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Ok... so the Arcanist, a full casting class, is getting an archetype to make it more like the Grey Mouser, a book series that inspired D&D to make the Thief class that, over decades, evolved into the Rogue class.

...

I mean, does no one else see the problem with the fact that even the Rogue's inspirational material is being stolen from her?


I think most of us have pretty much consigned the rogue class to the dustbin and picked up other classes (bard, alchemist, inquisitor, slayer, etc.) to cover the archetypical niche.

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Tels wrote:

Ok... so the Arcanist, a full casting class, is getting an archetype to make it more like the Grey Mouser, a book series that inspired D&D to make the Thief class that, over decades, evolved into the Rogue class.

...

I mean, does no one else see the problem with the fact that even the Rogue's inspirational material is being stolen from her?

There is a mouser archetype in the book. I don't think it has been confirmed to belong to a particular class. It could be a rogue or inquisitor archetype.

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Ross Byers wrote:
Tels wrote:

Ok... so the Arcanist, a full casting class, is getting an archetype to make it more like the Grey Mouser, a book series that inspired D&D to make the Thief class that, over decades, evolved into the Rogue class.

...

I mean, does no one else see the problem with the fact that even the Rogue's inspirational material is being stolen from her?

There is a mouser archetype in the book. I don't think it has been confirmed to belong to a particular class. It could be a rogue or inquisitor archetype.

I'd bet it's a Slayer Archetype, actually.


Deadmanwalking wrote:
Ross Byers wrote:
Tels wrote:

Ok... so the Arcanist, a full casting class, is getting an archetype to make it more like the Grey Mouser, a book series that inspired D&D to make the Thief class that, over decades, evolved into the Rogue class.

...

I mean, does no one else see the problem with the fact that even the Rogue's inspirational material is being stolen from her?

There is a mouser archetype in the book. I don't think it has been confirmed to belong to a particular class. It could be a rogue or inquisitor archetype.
I'd bet it's a Slayer Archetype, actually.

I think the same.

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Dennis Baker wrote:
I struggle with the idea that the wizard is a great representative of a classic literary spellcaster. The overwhelming majority of spellcasting I've seen done in fiction has been something much closer to what the sorcerer does. Casters have some spell or power they know and cast it whenever they want but it exhausts some pool of power they have.

Yeah. I don't think I've seen a PC wizard since 3rd edition introduced the sorcerer.

Even for NPCs, I really prefer sorcerers both to match PCs' flavor and for the ease of running them.

The arcanist brings back the flavor I like from wizards with less weird story and mechanical baggage, so it's likely to pull some of that ground back. And it gives me an excuse to run villains as spontaneous casters but still let them prepare to the PCs.

So, to me, the arcanist is more an chance to salvage the wizard class, just as some people see the slayer or investigator as an attempt to salvage the rogue.

Cheers!
Landon


Is the Arcanist what a Sorcerer with it's bloodline power would be if they went the way of wizard and it's academic route? Or is it a character that has natural simple intuitive talent for the arcane that decided to shape spells based of that talent?
Or... Can it be any of these of more deciding on the flavor you want? (I'm hoping for that last option.) I've never read the ACG Playtest to have a sense of the class.

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The last. (The original playtest was the first, but the second playtest and by all indications the final book are much more flexible.)

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Deadmanwalking wrote:
Ross Byers wrote:
Tels wrote:

Ok... so the Arcanist, a full casting class, is getting an archetype to make it more like the Grey Mouser, a book series that inspired D&D to make the Thief class that, over decades, evolved into the Rogue class.

...

I mean, does no one else see the problem with the fact that even the Rogue's inspirational material is being stolen from her?

There is a mouser archetype in the book. I don't think it has been confirmed to belong to a particular class. It could be a rogue or inquisitor archetype.
I'd bet it's a Slayer Archetype, actually.

I'll take that bet ;)


Ross Byers wrote:

Insain Dragoon, just because you're not interested in something does mean no one is. Likewise, just because you want something, it does not mean everyone else does.

Also, there are lots of archetypes in this book. Some of those combinations might exist.

However, I am curious, though perhaps this is a topic for another thread, what exactly do you expect a Druid/paladin to do? Likewise a true neutral paladin?

This.


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Thanks Jason for piping in with a few more details about the class.

It sounds interesting and is most definitely the type I would give to a beginning arcane caster. Limited selection of spells to learn, but not stuck with a bad choice. Requiring the multiple attributes will make for some interesting choices and likely cause them to lag behind when it comes to attribute-pumping items.

I look forward to seeing the final version of the class.

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Azten wrote:
Ross Byers wrote:
However, I am curious, though perhaps this is a topic for another thread, what exactly do you expect a Druid/paladin to do? Likewise a true neutral paladin?
This.

Seems like a natural fit for Erastil.

A lot of LG 'paladin gods' seem to be all about the chivalric shining knight of Camelot stereotype (Iomedae, Corean, Heironeus, Torm), so it's kind of cool that Golarion has such a very different sort of LG 'paladin god' in the more rural and community and 'natural law'-oriented Erastil (paladins of Erastil that swap out Divine Bond for an Animal Companion of the mount (horse or elk or stag), hound or hawk variety could be thematically appropriate, for instance. Other druid choices, like dinosaurs, or vermin, would be less on-theme, obviously.) :)

As one of the 11 core classes in the game, I'm always a fan of something, like Erastil, that opens up that class to less cookie-cutter assumptions, justifying the page count spent on it.


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So, uh, yeah. The Arcanist does not seem nerfed at all. The exploits which use Charisma are not really the best ones and there are way enough good ones you can take. All in all, the class seems to be Schrödingers Wizard with additional crazy powerful stuff on top (counterspelling as an immediate action is still in, for example).


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Let's not forget that Arcanist actually got strong feat support in addition to already existing strong caster feats.

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