Ancient Dragon Master's Untitled Campaign

Game Master Ancient Dragon Master

Did we lose the GM on this thread? Have not seen any post in several days.

To my knowledge, the GM is still around. Worst-case scenario, I fill in. It’s not like it’s the most complicated of plots ;)

Yeah, Eglian has a point. As long as we have our actual Vampire villain to face, we don't need much of a DM. They would be good for a solid 3rd Party to keep the battle fair and just, but apart from that... not that necessary.

My character, Gash is more or less done. Got a little slowed down by the holiday, and need to stat out his summoned shadow, but that's about it.
He's a Fighter (Unbreakable) 15 | Wizard (Universalist, Arcane Crafter) 15 | Ranger (Wilderness Medic) 5/Shadowdancer 10.

He's built to take a punch (evasion and stalwart help nicely, too), buff himself to effectiveness (hooray wizards), and if all else fails, he's not really reliant on any magic, so he can drop an AMF on himself and fight whatever bad dude we're facing on his own terms.

Well, I've filled out Ahriman Thunderfist's profile.

Is Gash only the other crafter here other than Fagila? If he is not at his gold limit, I might drop her crafting feats for extended stare.

Is Gash only the other crafter here other than Fagila? If he is not at his gold limit, I might drop her crafting feats for extended stare.

Nope. Not only is Dazenth able to make Constructs, but he's made a 30 HD Homunculus that is able to craft pretty much anything at a very low cost.

That being said, I am very close to my gold limit for wondrous items and Constructs, so I doubt I'll be able to help in that regard.

So, who's all ready and who still needs time? As ADM seems to be missing at the moment, I'll fill in for the time being.

I think im pretty much done, haven't picked spells. I can use this guy or the wyrm knight depending on what people want.

I still need some time to wrap up my character.

Halfway done. Need a little time.

I am really sorry guys. My campaigns page wasn't showing new posts on the thread and I completely forgot that I had set a due date on submissions.

I've been distracted by Ultra Moon and the .hack//remake, so I'll just throw the concept down here.

Diviner Wizard 11/Unchained Rogue 3/Oracle 1 to get the following:
Fatigue Immunity (lame), +ridiculous to initiative from Div Wizard + +4 int familiar, with the long term daily buffs, Finesse Rogue to add dex to damage with natural weapons and also get evasion.

Fighter (Archer) 15 to get really freaking good with a bow and be able to sunder from 30 feet away.

Urban Barbarian 15 to add dex to rage and spell sunder through said bow on a full attack from 30 feet away.

Add a quick runner shirt to move prior to mass sundering, and it's basically designed to chew through any prebuffs the boss would have before abusing clustered shots to more or less ignore DR and deal massive levels of damage, alongside unexpected strike and knockback to force the boss to stay away should he try and close in. With rage cycling.

With the exception of her mount which I do not know how mounted combat works, Fagila is done.

Her role is to aggro by forcing someone to waste their turn attacking one of her ally that misses their attack and demoralizing her enemy.

As salty as I was earlier, I was considering making a new thing in lieu of the Paladin/Bard guy.

Specifically, a Kensai Magus/Wizard of some variety/Unbreakable Fighter. The Kensai gets to add Int to the number of AoOs they get. If you combine that with Combat Reflexes, you could easily be at 15-16/round. Then you add Pin Down, Bodyguard, Opportune Parry and Riposte (from Flamboyant Arcana), Benevolent Armor, and Gloves of Arcane Striking, and you can make an AoO to:

Add ~11 to an ally's AC if the enemy attacks them
Parry and Riposte if an enemy attacks him
Prevent movement without a save if the enemy moves

Also tempted to pick up Disruptive/Spellbreaker to add to the AoO insanity.

That actually sounds like an incredibly fun and powerful build. Especially if instead of Wizard, or along with Wizard, you dip a class with Tactician - Perhaps a Order of the Dragon Honour Guard Cavalier for increased Aid Another and Bodyguard for Free, or perhaps the Holy Tactician Paladin Archetype in order to permanently share the feat, as well as getting Weal’s Champion in order to grant us 1/2 of your Charisma to attack against a foe - in order to get Harrying Partners, which makes the AC increase last for an entire round, instead of vs 1 attack.

Add on Disruptive and Spellbreaker as well, and you really would have a very powerful build. You'll just need to get a reach weapon that can threaten adjacent and then bulk up your size to cover as much space as possible. Or just pick up Combat Patrol.

That actually sounds like an incredibly fun and powerful build. Especially if instead of Wizard, or along with Wizard, you dip a class with Tactican (Such as Order of the Dragon Cavalier), and grab Harrying Partners, you can make the AC bonus from Bodyguard last the entire round, instead of just until the end of the turn.

Add on Disruptive and Spellbreaker as well, and you really would have a very powerful build. You'll just need to get a reach weapon that can threaten adjacent and then bulk up your size to cover as much space as possible. Or just pick up Combat Patrol.

Holy hell, Combat Patrol is SO good with Pin Down. I'm probably going to whip this up, like, right now.

I don't particularly like Tactician over Unbreakable, since I love the sweet Stalwart/Heroic Defiance bonuses. I also want to specifically do Wizard for 8th-level spells, otherwise there are a bunch of dumb Arcanist things, etc. that are quite good. But being able to drop Irresistible Dance via spellstrike, plus some of the other perks of higher-level Wizard buffing, seems too good to pass on.

EDIT: Order of the Dragon Honor Guard Cavalier looks super fun - I wonder if it gives enough to take it over Fighter - two full-BAB classes seems like a waste, so I wouldn't drop Wizard. I'm gonna run the math right now.

Hmmmm, fair enough, the Unbreakable Fighter is a very solid tank for sure, and I can see why you wouldn't want to drop it. And being able to Spell Strike your wizard spells via the Spell Blending Arcane (I think that's its name anyway) is definitely a powerful boon.

However from the looks of the build so far, once you have the Kensai's Superior Reflexes at level 11, the remaining 4 levels don't seem to be giving you that much else to add to the build. 2 Magus Arcana and Greater Spell Combat, the latter of which really isn't that powerful, that the Magus Arcane can be... debatable at that level. Heck if you want a level 12 Magus Arcana, just go to 12 levels. That still gives you 3 free levels for my two suggestions in my edited post. Order of the Dragon Honour Guard Cavalier, or Holy Tactician Paladin

What about Magus (Kensai) 12/Cavalier 3| Wizard 15 | Fighter (Unbreakable) 13/Karmic Monk 2?

That gets me full BAB, Evasion AND Stalwart, 15d10 HD, 9/7/9 saves, I think, Int, Dex, AND Wis to AC.

Why the Karmic Monk over different monk archetypes, or even just the monk without any archetype at all?

Why the Karmic Monk over different monk archetypes, or even just the monk without any archetype at all?

Well, originally it was to get a flat thing instead of a Stunning Fist with trash-bag Save DCs. Buuuuut I also remembered I have to wear Benevolent Armor, which makes the monk a non-starter. So instead, I'm taking Unchained Rogue 3, and Cavalier 2. In total:

Cavalier 2/Fighter 13 | Magus 12/UnRogue 3 | Wizard 15

I'll end up with:
Challenge 1/day
Endurance
Diehard
Heroic Recovery
Heroic Defiance
Evasion and Stalwart
Armor Training 2
Dex to damage
2d6 Sneak Attack
3 Magus Arcana
8 Fighter Bonus Feats (6 from Fighter, 2 from Magus)
3 Wizard Feats/Discoveries

Greater False Life: 2d10 + 15 ⇒ (9, 8) + 15 = 32

Greater False Life (Mount): 1d20 + 15 ⇒ (10) + 15 = 25

Greater False Life (Mount): 2d10 + 15 ⇒ (7, 7) + 15 = 29

Once more to the drawing board! Cavalier's Tactician ability isn't great. It's limited to like, 3 rounds. So instead, Holy Tactician Paladin! But what to do with that Charisma that I'm pumping now?! Why not Swashbuckle?

Full layout is Kensai 12/Holy Tactician 3 | Wizard 15 | Unbreakable Fighter 14/Inspired Blade 1 (could be 13/2, not sure if Charmed Life is worth it since my saves will likely be bananas anyway).

As someone who built their char around having both evasion and stalwart, I highly recommend it.

Personally, I built my character from the Kineticist and just grabbed classes I felt do a good job with it. Was toying with the idea of doing a rogue build of sorts, but felt like I had been too many of them recently and wanted to try something new. Add on the fact that the Kineticist got extra damage for higher Con, and that's when I decided to go for my Barbarian TWFing build, with the Alchemist added on for the Sneak Attack and buffs. Only to grab Craft Construct and make myself a crafting homoculi for massive discounts.

Honestly, if anyone has any suggestions for how to improve Dazenth I'll be more than happy to hear them. I do like several aspects of his character, such as the Construct Crafting and the Simulacrum's, as well as the massive abusive of both Fate's Favoured and the Courageous weapon enchantment, but I could be barking up the wrong tree when it comes ot make a solid character.

@Fury,
Something I've been wondering for a bit... how are you planning on Blasting? Kinetic Blasts are SLAs, which can't be used while raging, to my understanding. So, kind of curious on that front.

@Fury,

Something I've been wondering for a bit... how are you planning on Blasting? Kinetic Blasts are SLAs, which can't be used while raging, to my understanding. So, kind of curious on that front.

They have said that they will be rage cycling moment of clarity.

Huh. Seems.... kind of odd, considering you gain none of the benefits from Rage during a Moment of Clarity, so it doesn’t actually boost the Blast at all. Am I still missing something?

Huh. Seems.... kind of odd, considering you gain none of the benefits from Rage during a Moment of Clarity, so it doesn’t actually boost the Blast at all. Am I still missing something?

Yeah, check the Mad Magic feat. When using Moment of Clarity it lets me keep the benefits of the rage. Costs two rage powers and a feat to get access to, but I'm pretty sure the benefits are well, well worth it.

At least imo. Could not be worth it at all and there's a much better way to boost Kinetic Blast damage when Dual wielding it with a normal sword.

Ah, now I see it. Funny, I looked for it earlier and didn’t see it, which is where my confusion all started. Makes sense now.

So what are we doing for a deadline?

Friday the 8th of december.

Sounds reasonable to me, one week from now should be long enough for everyone to finish their characters.

How many people are you going to accept?

A question - what are your thoughts on templates? Are they allowed at all? If so, how do they modify level?

A question - what are your thoughts on templates? Are they allowed at all? If so, how do they modify level?

Any template you want must be specifically approved individually.

Sounds reasonable to me, one week from now should be long enough for everyone to finish their characters.

How many people are you going to accept?

6 people.

A question - what are your thoughts on templates? Are they allowed at all? If so, how do they modify level?

Hey now, that’s my thing ;)

HedwickTheWorldly wrote:

A question - what are your thoughts on templates? Are they allowed at all? If so, how do they modify level?

Any template you want must be specifically approved individually.

Fury of the Tempest wrote:

Sounds reasonable to me, one week from now should be long enough for everyone to finish their characters.

How many people are you going to accept?

6 people.

Well, what about:

Obviously not all of them at once, but would any be permitted, and if so, under what circumstances?

Ancient Dragon Master wrote:

HedwickTheWorldly wrote:

A question - what are your thoughts on templates? Are they allowed at all? If so, how do they modify level?

Any template you want must be specifically approved individually.

Fury of the Tempest wrote:

Sounds reasonable to me, one week from now should be long enough for everyone to finish their characters.

How many people are you going to accept?

6 people.

Well, what about:

Alter Ego
Young
Mythic Creature
Advanced
Entropic
Fiendish
Giant
Resolute
Celestial

Obviously not all of them at once, but would any be permitted, and if so, under what circumstances?

Mythic is banned. For the others I would like to see at least a rough outline of what you want to do with it.

I am really sorry guys. My campaigns page wasn't showing new posts on the thread and I completely forgot that I had set a due date on submissions.

No worries; sometimes, you gotta go and refresh on your page for the Paizo messageboards every once in a while. ;)

That being said, I've decided to drop the Beguiler request and settled on a Triaxian with 15 levels in the Vampire Hunter base class (no archetypes were ever given for this class so it will remain without any archetypes) and 15 levels of Ranger with the Lycanthrope Hunter/Fortune Finder/Infiltrator archetypes; those are set in stone, more or less.

For the third gestalt class, I was considering 9 levels in Spiritualist with the Spirit Fuse/Shadow Caller archetypes plus 6 levels in some prestige class or prestige classes (Horizon Walker, possibly others). Unfortunately, the Shadow Caller archetype gives a shade instead of a phantom- which might tread a bit thematically upon any prospective Shadowdancer's Shadow companion schtick; also, going to 10th level in the Spiritualist class might well interfere with the general light levels around the party as well.

In terms of feats, four of them will go towards the Countenanced Carbuncle feat tree. The generalized concept for that would be that the Triaxian plays the Superego role, the Carbuncle plays the ego role, and the Spiritualist's shade (if utilized) becomes the id role.

Possibly might add in some things from the Technology Guide, if it is allowed for (minor things, really, such as the food paste tubes, maybe an armor, no plans for taking any of the weaponry though)- possible backstory for that might be something along the lines of a Triaxian from an alternate reality where summer is the season (not winter) and that friendly contact was made with the "speakers from the divine" (the pre-crashed Androffan vessel, the Divinty). Through some shenanigans, which may or may not involve an attempt by the Divinty to "slingshot" around the sun, our hapless triaxian gets stuck into another reality- the campaign's reality...

As an alternative, are there any present 3rd party classes that might be okay by you, Ancient Dragon Master? ;)

Countenanced Carbuncle feat tree? Lycanthrope Hunter archetype?

I can't find anything like that at all on the d20srd, can you link them?

Countenanced Carbuncle feat tree? Lycanthrope Hunter archetype?

I can't find anything like that at all on the d20srd, can you link them?

Heh, funny thing about dat... unfortunately, the base Vampire Hunter class, the Lycanthrope Hunter and the Spirit Fuse archetypes never got reprinted into any other Paizo material, plus the source material "World of Vampire Hunter D" never got put into any ogc/ogl/community-use sites to the best of my knowledge. The Countenanced Carbuncle feats did get kind of tweaked into the Possessed Hand feats in the Haunted Heroes Handbook player companion, but even then there were some slight minor differences between the two feat trees.

I'll try to paraphrase some of the things for the Lycanthrope Hunter and the Spirit Fuse archetypes:

For the Lycanthrope Hunter, it trades out the favored enemy class feature for only getting the favored enemy class bonus with animals and anything with the shapechanger subtype solely. This bonus follows the usual progression of increasing with levels. The Lycanthrope Hunter also trades out the swift tracker class feature for the ability, at 8th level, to force any polymorphed or shapechanged creature into its' original form (if any) upon a confirmed crit and failing a Will save (DC 10 + level + Cha modifier). The Lycanthrope Hunter also gets a free ability that doesn't trade out anything to have any of his weapons (manufactured or natural), at 15th level, be considered made out of two special materials of his choosing, plus magic, for overcoming DR via a swift action for the duration equal to his level in minutes (divvied up in 1 min. increments).

For the Spirit Fuse, it trades out bonded manifestation and greater spiritual interference for getting the ability to allow the phantom to go beyond the etheric tether ranges by spending a hit point each round to maintain it without concentration/action. At 12th level, the conscious Phantom, if at least 50' away from the Spiritualist but within 30' of any allies, it gives those allies a +2 shield bonus to AC, +2 circumstance bonus to Saves (+4 for any mind affecting saves instead).

It also trades out Detect Undead for allowing the Phantom to make everyone within 10' of it suffer its' slam damage as a mass force-based attack with a will save for half damage, causing the Spiritualist to take damage equal to the Phantom's level (9) and a round of daze. This ability is usable each day equal to the number of the modifier to the Phantom's charisma.

Dual bond is also replaced at 17th level for a spirit ray, a 50' ranged attack that doesn't provoke- doing 1d6/Spiritualist levels plus Phantom's charisma modifier, Will save versus half, plus 1.5 times in extra damage to any incorporeal undead/phantoms. Needless to say, it doesn't come into play for this game for obvious reasons.

As for the things a 15th level Vampire Hunter class gets...

A. The Ranger's class features of Track, Swift Tracker, and Quarry (gets improved quarry at 19th level).

B. Four levels of Spontaneous Spellcasting from the Inquisitor's spell list starting at 4th level from a limited number of spells known.

C. 2 Vampiric Focuses that are similar to Vigilante talents.

D. 6 Technique feats (or combat feats)

E. At will Detect Undead, treating any piercing weapon or pitons (or any similar sharp tool) as a stake for the purposes of killing vampires, plus any overland travel for the Vampire Hunter and his party plus mounts could be potentially increased via saving throws (not likely to come up in combat).

F. An ability to track vampires that fly or are in gaseous form, able present any holy symbol to keep a vampire at bay (if it fails its' Will save) from 15' away plus five times the Vampire Hunter's Cha mod. (more if using a holy symbol of a personally worshiped deity), and can prevent a creature from returning as a vampire or vampire spawn by spending 10 minutes of dousing a body with holy water (some caveats apply).

So how has everyone's builds progressed over the weekend?

Here is my character Nathan Bonfire. It's not finished quite yet but the basics are there. He is supposed to be a channel focused primary with archery as a secondary. I've a few feats to pick and need to get the gear finished. If anyone has any suggestions feel free to put them out there.

So how has everyone's builds progressed over the weekend?

Still going along, Fury of the Tempest. ;)

Those changes that the Feat taxes substitute house-rules brought did alter some of the planned out feats.

Except for a few potential tweaks, my character Mallik Gringall and his companion Snap-fang are done. If any one has advice for them, it would be appreciated.

Recruitment Is Closed

I will choose the players later today.

Crunch time... A little sudden, but the recruitment had already gone over the original time limit. So no real surprises there

To clarify, the tweaks that needed to be done were mostly checking the math on the two characters, and by this point that is esentially entirely done. The only decision that I have left is picking two of his 5th level spells known. Other than this, they are done.

I'm eager with anticipation.

Could the following players please report here

Billybrainpan — Either one of his characters
inirlan — Ahriman Thunderfist
Fury of the Tempest — Dazenth, the Earths Fury.
trawets71 — Nathan Bonfire
Yas392— Fagila
DeviousDevious — Gash Sapphire

Thank you to all who participated.