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WotW: A Knot of Thorns The First Parchment (Inactive)

Game Master Xzaral

A group of villains escape Branderscar prison to take revenge upon Talingarde.

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Level up query for King Mark - can I re-arrange my skill points in light of Versatile Performance?


HP 45/45, AC- 18, Touch- 14, Flat- 14, CMD- 21, Fort- +6, Ref- +9, Will- +2, Percep- +7, Init- +4

You would be the envy of many a Bard if you were permitted to do that my friend.

Accurate loot split relies on a full list by Morthos (seems incomplete right now) as well as the remaining items being successfully appraised. It also relies on us being in a position to sell things, which i'm hoping our new matron will provide.

Once we have a complete list, everyone please indicate what claims you've made (if any) and we'll just sell the rest and split the proceeds. In future I think we'll deduct items claimed from your shares but considering we started with no equipment, seems kind of awkward to do it first time around.

Bostarg and Haruk found very little of use for themselves so recommend they be given a 150GP or so extra each out from the pool before its split, to compensate.


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Alazandaru Viorec wrote:
You would be the envy of many a Bard if you were permitted to do that my friend.

Heh - only one skill point at risk at present (the one I've in Sense Motive), so not the end of the world if I can't.


HP 45/45, AC- 18, Touch- 14, Flat- 14, CMD- 21, Fort- +6, Ref- +9, Will- +2, Percep- +7, Init- +4

Yeah. Versatile Performance is tricky though as its not just level 2. Being able to do it at the later levels you get it would make it terribly good. Right now is not such an issue.

In the S&S game i'm playing in, I took 1 rank in Diplomacy and Intimidate despite my first versatile performance covering them both at level 2.

I'll probably do the same for other skills that will eventually be covered by performances. Can't stomach all the skill ranks going to waste so no more than one.


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness

I've added a bunch of stuff. Let me know what else I might've missed.

What is the veil? Do I need to list that? And the evidence as well?

Will update whatever it is that needs fixing tomorrow. I got call it quits for tonight.


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Aye - but I don't see Bostarg taking any Perform skills apart from Oratory anyway - so the 6th/10th, etc increments on the Versatile Performance are likely to be wasted.

Javell - the evidence and veil can probably stay off the loot list. The evidence is worthless (apart from me keeping it for unspecified nefarious future purpose), and the veil has only one item of worth left... - which I'd vote lets save for a rainy day.

The veil has:

  • A lantern
  • A coil of rope
  • A stack of gold


HP 45/45, AC- 18, Touch- 14, Flat- 14, CMD- 21, Fort- +6, Ref- +9, Will- +2, Percep- +7, Init- +4

Well lets put the stack of gold into the pot- how much is it GM?

Alazandaru will take the coil of rope and lantern for simplicity.


King of Talingarde

As far as spellbooks as scrolls, I'll have to say no to that one. My reasoning is simple, that'd be a cheap way to make scrolls considering spellbook costs in Pathfinder.

The stack of gold on the veil is 100gp.

As Javell reposted, it's 1/2 + 1/2 rolled. So for a 1d8 class it's 1d4+4. Alazandaru, go ahead and keep the 8 you rolled (if we halved it, it'd be 4 anyway). Beatrix, go ahead and reroll.

The Versatile Performance thing is something we allow in my home game (of course, if you take a feat for free, and later gain it from another class, we usually allow that retrained too). So I'd be in favor of allowing you to swap out those skill points.


HP 45/45, AC- 18, Touch- 14, Flat- 14, CMD- 21, Fort- +6, Ref- +9, Will- +2, Percep- +7, Init- +4

You lucky boy Bostarg ;).

Ok cool. Spellbook is to be sold then- its of no real use to us and i've decided against eventually multiclassing into Wizard.

Did we get the spellbook's value? Loots kinda all over the place until Morthos' list is finished.


King of Talingarde

It's value is 350gp, so can be sold for half.


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Thanks muchly King Mark - Bostarg is now leveled.

Picked up cure light as a spell, added Perception, incremented all other skills and picked up Giant and Celestial as languages.


Female Human Fighter (Two-Handed) 1

Ok let's try this again:

hp: 1d5 + 5 ⇒ (3) + 5 = 8


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness

HP: 1d5 + 5 ⇒ (3) + 5 = 8


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Just started reading through the ARG and it's interesting enough in parts... but noticed a spell in the Changeling section that would be amazing for Bostarg.

Sow Thought:
School enchantment (compulsion) [mind-affecting]; Level bard 1, sorcerer/wizard 1, witch 1
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target one creature
Duration permanent
Save Will negates; Spell Resistance yes
You plant an idea, concept, or suspicion in the mind of the subject. The target genuinely believes that the idea is his own, but is not required to act upon it. If the idea is contrary to the target’s normal thoughts (such as making a paladin think, “I should murder my friends”) the target may suspect mindaltering magic is at play. The idea must be fairly clear, enough so that it can be conveyed in one or two sentences. You do not need to share a common language for the spell to succeed, but without a common language you can only sow the most basic rudimentary ideas.

That spell plus Spellsong would wreak some serious chaos.


King of Talingarde

Hmmm, open ended, compulsion spell, don't need to share language but it helps, doesn't necessarily suspect anything and gives conditions when it does.

This is an evil little spell. I like it. And the spells are not race specific if I recall, just common amongst those races.


King of Talingarde

Sorry about that Haruk, missed the roll. I'll add in a retcon in a bit.


Male Tiefling Infneral Sorcerer(Tattoo) 1

Its cool, that's why I asked.


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Morthos / Alazandaru - what's the final divvy up for wealth?


HP 45/45, AC- 18, Touch- 14, Flat- 14, CMD- 21, Fort- +6, Ref- +9, Will- +2, Percep- +7, Init- +4

First order of business is to completely sort wealth out then, I agree.

What remains unappraised? Once we appraise those items we should be able to put together a 'sell list'.


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness

The only items I see that are unappraised are the 2 books.

Oh and the gold medallion from the frog's lair.


HP 45/45, AC- 18, Touch- 14, Flat- 14, CMD- 21, Fort- +6, Ref- +9, Will- +2, Percep- +7, Init- +4

1d20 + 8 ⇒ (17) + 8 = 25 Book 1 success

1d20 + 8 ⇒ (6) + 8 = 14 Book 2 fail

1d20 + 8 ⇒ (12) + 8 = 20 Medallion success

There we go. We can just omit book 2 from the loot split this time, unless someone else's appraise value happened to go up.

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Male

So despite our new contract, still feel Haruk and Bostarg could do with a small bonus as they found very little useful equipment.

Propose giving them 100GP each of the spoils before the formal loot split.

For clarity, items we get from Tiadora- is there a limit on how many? Is 200GP essentially just the max for a single item?


King of Talingarde

Basically it's a way to outfit everyone with basic gear they would normally buy at creation. Thorn's providing everyone with 200gp in gear (whatever you want, it'll be picked up for you). It's also being allowed that any other items you wish to sell to increase this amount is allowed.

Wording another way, everyone has 200gp to spend on gear, plus their shares of the loot.


HP 45/45, AC- 18, Touch- 14, Flat- 14, CMD- 21, Fort- +6, Ref- +9, Will- +2, Percep- +7, Init- +4

So no spending limit on what we can get bought other than our funds?


King of Talingarde

Yup.


Male Tiefling Infneral Sorcerer(Tattoo) 1

Unless anybody objects, Haruk will take the masterwork staff. That should be his fair share of the gear found, plus whatever we're able to get from what we sell.


HP 45/45, AC- 18, Touch- 14, Flat- 14, CMD- 21, Fort- +6, Ref- +9, Will- +2, Percep- +7, Init- +4

Actually I spoke up claiming it some time ago even before the loot split discussion- as a blunt weapon that can be TWF'd its ideal to cover his bludgeoning needs.


Male Tiefling Infneral Sorcerer(Tattoo) 1
Alazandaru Viorec wrote:
Actually I spoke up claiming it some time ago even before the loot split discussion- as a blunt weapon that can be TWF'd its ideal to cover his bludgeoning needs.

You mean aside from the mace you've already taken?

Along with the crossbow, several daggers, etc..

I have nothing. Do you really need the staff??

Also, did you not say something along the lines of "If nobody else wants it, I'll take the staff"??

I did not realize there was a time limit to speak up on loot.

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Male

Erm, I don't have magic. Gear is pretty vital for me. I like to have weapons for different DR- daggers will be my go to for slashing, piercing and general purpose but as i'll be TWFing whenever possible, a masterwork quarterstaff is ideal (especially as I can use it in two hands for standard action attacks). Crossbow on a rogue is also pretty logical and something he'd want to have.

Feel free to take the mace off my hands, no purpose for that any more with the quarterstaff.

I initially proposed we gear ourselves with whatever we find and then loot split anything left unclaimed. What I didn't feel I needed to specify was that those with a more obvious claim to items should get them. Haruk is a sorceror with 8 strength. Do you really think a double weapon is more suited to him than a TWF rogue?

Perhaps if others are also unhappy, everything should be claimed out of a group loot share, down to the very chain shirts and initial gear we looted from the guards. This does seem needlessly awkward though. Alternatively, Alazandaru can simply take a lesser share of the pot once we loot split.

Considering that I have a justifiable purpose for everything i've claimed, your attitude is far too confrontational (again). Rather than multiple ??'s and a snooty attitude, we could easily come to a compromise as a group without it feeling like your essentially attacking people.


Male Weremonkey Rogue/Ranger/Trickster

Yes, my spells. Of which I have one offensive spell currently. Ray of Frost.

You are correct in that I have a Str of 8, which would be partially offset by the staff being masterwork.

If you are worried about DR, duel wield dagger in one hand, mace in other. That's all three damage types right there.

Look, you've claimed a fair amount of gear period. Haruk has gotten nothing beyond the clothing everybody else has. I didn't think it was such a big deal for one of the casters to claim a "castery" weapon....


HP 45/45, AC- 18, Touch- 14, Flat- 14, CMD- 21, Fort- +6, Ref- +9, Will- +2, Percep- +7, Init- +4

I am not accountable for your spell choices, but Ray of Frost is against touch AC, which means you'll actually hit regularly, not like with the quarterstaff. +1 to hit is actually worth something with Alazandaru's to hit and damage.

Dual wielding a mace and dagger- no thank-you. I'd rather take the masterwork quarterstaff and keep my daggers in their wrist sheaths, carrying the staff as a default weapon with daggers ready when needed.

Your dex is higher and crossbow's don't add strength as a penalty to damage. Buy one.

Sorry but i'm keeping the claim. Its ideal for Alazandaru and if Haruk's going to stumble into melee something has gone horribly awry already.

Alazandaru has the stronger claim (its actually useful in his hands, whereas Haruk attacking at +1 total for 1d6-1 is not). As i've said before, we can discuss Alazandaru taking a lesser loot share or some other compromise and i'm happy to do so.

DPR wise- Ray of Frost does 1 point of damage less than the staff would do in your hands and hits far more often by virtue of both a high dexterity and targeting touch AC (and doesn't rely on being in melee which is a terrible idea for a Sorceror not built for it anyway).


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness
Alexander Kilcoyne wrote:

So despite our new contract, still feel Haruk and Bostarg could do with a small bonus as they found very little useful equipment.

Propose giving them 100GP each of the spoils before the formal loot split.

I like this suggestion. Works for me.


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Bostarg would be more than happy with a flat split without needing any uplift. On the topic of the list - I think the stuff from under Blackerly's bed is missing?
1854 gold pieces and a dozen bottles of rotgut worth 5gp a bottle.

I'm guessing we're in pretty good shape after the loot split, should be at least 800-900gp or more each.

On the quarterstaff - I'm on the side of it being more useful for Alazandaru.

King Mark:
One of the items that Bostarg is looking to buy is a well fitted out Portable Writing Desk c/w inks, quills and papers. I'd like to possibly have it give a masterwork bonus on Linguistics checks for forgeries.
Would you be happy for that to cost the same as a set of Masterwork Artisan's Tools?


Male Weremonkey Rogue/Ranger/Trickster

Why I am not surprised you would find some way to justify keeping the staff?

First off, Haruk's been in melee already vs the dogs. Did something go "horribly awry" there? Sure, I could have used my spell, but I get tired of doing the same thing over and over again.

You've taken gear worth at least 392g, assuming the crossbow and mace are light and that one dagger isn't masterwork. Also not counting armor. And you want to give Bostarg and I 100g? what about the other near 300g?

I've twice asked for a weapon out of game, each time you've told me no.

You even tell me to buy a crossbow, which was one of the weapons I asked for.

I'm starting to seriously wonder if I want to continue to be a part of this game. I'm sure when we stumble upon magic items like rings of protection or bracers of armor, you'll be the first to claim them as well, and you'll have another lengthy explanation as to why the great Alazandaru should get all the best stuff before any of the casters....

The funny thing is, you're right. Haruk really shouldn't be using a melee weapon. But what gets me is when I once again ask for a weapon, you turn me down. Then, when I give a pretty decent reason to please let me have it, you come up with this long explanation why it should really be yours. You freely give out stuff to the other PCs, expect Bostarg and I. Yet he seems content in what he has. So really, it seems like you have something against me.


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness
Bostarg Halvardonwine wrote:

Bostarg would be more than happy with a flat split without needing any uplift. On the topic of the list - I think the stuff from under Blackerly's bed is missing?

1854 gold pieces and a dozen bottles of rotgut worth 5gp a bottle.

Thanks for pointing that out. I completely forgot about that. Got it taken care of.

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Morthos has decent armour and a masterwork sword- I don't see you complaining there? You seem to be the only one making this personal, I simply feel Alazandaru has a much better claim on an item that is better suited to him. Its nothing personal against you or Haruk. Though if you get tired of doing the same thing over and over, I daresay Sorceror was a poor fit.

Yes of course i'd find ways to justify keeping it. Frankly, i'm finding it a little ridiculous I have to defend the choice against assigning it to a strength 8 sorcerer. It lets me TWF, its masterwork and its a blunt weapon I actually have proficiency with. And i've said multiple times, I can take less loot share etc. in order to keep it if necessary.

Alazandaru should get the things suited to him. For example, I made no claim on the masterwork longsword because its best suited to Morthos. As a Sorceror, you can pretty much expect non-casters to want the better weapons- its kind of a given.

"Masterwork weapon would offset my strength penalty to hit and its a casty weapon" isn't a good claim and you know it. Alazandaru has Use Magic Device, but i'd never try and prioritise arcane scrolls over Haruk's because they are better suited to him. If the pages in the spellbook were usable as scrolls, i'd have suggested Haruk take the lot. We found a lot of mundane gear that is better for the non-casters.

I keep saying i'm happy to work out a compromise but you just carry on talking about how unfair it is and making more personal attacks. Maybe try making a suggestion next time.

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Actually monkeygod, seriously- if your inclined to leave just do so because i'm exhausted by how difficult and confrontational you are. You make personal attacks on people, especially me, and frankly i'm sick of it and i'm tired of trying to reason with you. And don't try and tell yourself its gone unnoticed by other players in this game or the GM, because it has not.

At least two of the group including myself I know for a fact were ready to leave the last time you kicked up a huge fuss- implying that everyone else was the problem when even the GM realised that you were the problem.

If you choose not to leave then i'll bow out myself, because as much as I enjoy this game (and kudos to King Markadian for that), interacting with you is actually sucking the fun out of it for me. Either way, we'll go our separate ways and not turn this into a flame war thread.


King of Talingarde
Bostarg Halvardonwine wrote:


King Mark:
One of the items that Bostarg is looking to buy is a well fitted out Portable Writing Desk c/w inks, quills and papers. I'd like to possibly have it give a masterwork bonus on Linguistics checks for forgeries.
Would you be happy for that to cost the same as a set of Masterwork Artisan's Tools?

Sounds reasonable to me.


Female Human Fighter (Two-Handed) 1

...add me to the list of people who's tempted to leave because I'm sick of bickering over loot. Seriously, grow up.


King of Talingarde

Just for clarification, the issue is being handled by PM.


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My inbox is always open in case any thoughts are sought.


Male Weremonkey Rogue/Ranger/Trickster

I would love to keep playing here, and try and fix the problems I have caused, but looking over the last few posts tween Alexander and I, I see its not possible. He claims I have personally attacked him, I fail to see my saying anything of the sort.

I feel like he's bullied me into being gimped gear wise. He made a big deal out of a crossbow that he's barely used. I'm sure he feels utterly justified, but I feel walked over.

To everybody else: I realize I've not been the best player here and for that I apologize. I also thank you for the help with Haruk's behavior issues in game, with regards to being LE. I know I was stubborn and argumentative, but that probably has more to do with my personal style of seeing alignments than anything else. Sometimes its hard to switch your thinking around when you've looked at something in a certain way for years.

I think I need to walk away here. I doubt anybody will try and get me to stay, so I will vanish in a cloud of sulfurous smoke and take back up residence in Hell.

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Male

"Bullied into being gimped gear wise?"- i'd consider as a 8 strength Sorceror, taking a masterwork double melee weapon as your loot is self-gimping. I was always aware Haruk had got the rawest deal loot-wise which is why I continually offered to make compromises or come to another solution- for example, we could have given Haruk the spellbook as his personal share as well as some extra cash which would have brought him up with everyone else. In fact, I was the one who noticed you had less, brought attention to it and wanted to make up for it somehow. I didn't, however, want to lose a claim on an ideal weapon that would be terrible for Haruk while doing so. Bostarg and Morthos were both in agreement that its a better weapon for Alazandaru so I don't feel my justification was weak or unfounded.

You simply and continually kept steam-rolling over my suggestions of compromise and asking you to make a suggestion or move forward. I don't want to dwell on something as petty as this for days when I play. I would have even quite happily given Haruk a large amount of cash out of my personal share to simply settle it.

When I say you made personal attacks on me, I include things like this lovely gem of a comment-

Monkeygod wrote:


I'm sure when we stumble upon magic items like rings of protection or bracers of armor, you'll be the first to claim them as well, and you'll have another lengthy explanation as to why the great Alazandaru should get all the best stuff before any of the casters.

Snarkyness as well as essentially stating that i'm trying to hoard. Javell and Mark have both played with me before and actually, they both know i'm very much an advocate of everyone getting the same wealth share. When you both insinuate hoarding and make a comment that also seems to say I have my character on a pedestal above everyone else, I consider that a personal attack on my character (not my PC, my character). Alluding to another's selfishness and greed- that is a personal attack to me and the moment you went a bit too far for me to let this slide.

Anther choice comment (not just directed to me) and I quote "I want to thank you all for destroying the main aspect of my character".

Its really your attitude I got sick of. The most ironic thing about the previous OOC discussion we had was that most of the group were already dubious about how Haruk and his alignment was playing, but in particular I said nothing because I was going for a live and let live attitude- right up to the point where you decided it was everyone else that was doing it wrong. Your sudden tirade of "I really hope you all aren't going to continue to prevent me from playing my character" really didn't help things.

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Anyway. Theres not really much more I can say. To your credit, that second paragraph to the others was well said. Something like that really could have helped relations after the previous issue. Thank you for walking from the game. Lets move on.


Male Weremonkey Rogue/Ranger/Trickster

That you see as a personal attack?? Wow ok...Man sometimes being a New Yorker isn't the best. That's like nothing. I spoke the truth based on what I saw...

I love how you completely ignore half of what I was saying. Honestly, if you can't see all the rest, then trying to fix the problem would have been pointless...


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To Monkeygod: I appreciate the sentiments extended to the group as well as the decision that you've made to move on, again for the benefit of the group. Thanks and farewell.

I'm purposefully not stating anything on the conflict issue, as from my perspective I don't think there is anything to be gained by dwelling on it, as you've made the mature decision to part ways from the group.

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To the others, lets regroup and move on. We still need to do a final loot value tally for the split.

The four we have remaining are:
Bard, Rogue, Antipaladin, Fighter - so we are heavy in the beatstick department, but a little light on the caster side.

Bostarg has picked up CLW as a spell and can grab a wand of same to act as combat medic for the short term. It would actually be a decent fit as I'd prefer him to take a more passive role in combat as it suits his character.


Male Weremonkey Rogue/Ranger/Trickster

Just hurry up and post to the Geb and Wolves threads, ok? :) <3 ya Bostarg lol


HP 45/45, AC- 18, Touch- 14, Flat- 14, CMD- 21, Fort- +6, Ref- +9, Will- +2, Percep- +7, Init- +4

Well, Alazandaru can supplement casting with scrolls etc. eventually but yeah, that's not real casting. I had considered taking some Wizard and going Arcane Trickster but I don't quite have the build for it now. Agree with your general analysis.

Will be gearing Alazandaru with a pair of kukri's once loot splits done. Morthos, please add one heavy mace to the pot for loot splitting.


King of Talingarde

Monkeygod, I'm sorry it came down to this, but thank you for letting us know your decision. I wish the best of luck in all other games you play.


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness

Done. And I'm guessing you mean the one that's shaped like a laughing demon.

If not, let me know.

Edit: Did that wizard's class ring ever get appraised? I don't recall ever seeing that it had is why I ask.


HP 45/45, AC- 18, Touch- 14, Flat- 14, CMD- 21, Fort- +6, Ref- +9, Will- +2, Percep- +7, Init- +4

Thats the one.

We all ready to divvy up then?


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness

Sounds good to me.

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