Monkeygod |
The caravan guards who are supposed to take orders from Vorik are NOT aware of the Zhentarim mission.
The PCs are aware of the mission BUT two of them serve Dorn as "Guards". Only one serves Vorik as a guard.
The rest have their own cover.
Personal like or dislike aside there are two layers here to remember.
Vorik leads the mission BUT in the caravan is responsible for security OF the Merchants, essentially he is an employee.
I'll diffuse this IC when i am online later.
However, I'll not run a split squad as the group has to work together or not at all to finish the mission.
If anyone feels they need to drop, go ahead and do so I'll not take it personally. It's a tense scene but I don't think players should take PC actions personally.
Most of you are a+#$+~! bad guys so it's to be expected you'll be belligerent even to each other!
This is incredibly frustrating, you put a Banite in charge of the PCs, but I apparently have zero authority over them, so what was the point?
I would have much rather have just been a traveling priest or something, if I have no actual leadership.I REALLY don't want to drop this game, as this is one I've super excited for, but I am honestly not sure I can continue to be in yet another game where Omni plays an arrogant a!!%@*! who can't get along with the other PCs.
DM Dreadmaster |
This is incredibly frustrating, you put a Banite in charge of the PCs, but I apparently have zero authority over them, so what was the point?
I would have much rather have just been a traveling priest or something, if I have no actual leadership.
The point I am trying to make MG is that on the road, as part of cover, Vorik is not visibly in charge as he is the caravan master.
His real leadership role come into play when the group gets to the actual location you are supposed to get to in Cormyr.
This entire scenario was designed to introduce prominent NPCs not have the PCs slapping each other and using pets to attack each other, much less yell at one another. What happened, happened. But IN THE CONTEXT OF THE PLOT, calling for irons is not going to go over well.
Not to worry, a certain young Merchant is also about to receive an earful...
DM Dreadmaster |
I've updated. Time to de escalate.
Moving forward carry grudges but don't continue to push this issue IC as I've just had NPCs chastise you both.
Remember, this is a Merchant Caravan. The group is supposed to be utilizing it to sneak into Cormyr as Merchants to accomplish some unknown mission for the Zhentarim/Church of Bane. It's a plot device also being used to meet Cyric when he is still a Mortal.
Metagame answers yes. But I am pointing that out as you all seem to be caught up in who has what authority. At this point in time, you are a sleeper cell. Authority is irrelevant until the missions begins. At THAT time, Vorik has mission control and will direct the pieces he has as he needs them to be utilized. That ALSO means that if the mission goes awry, he's the one on the hot seat. This is one mission you do NOT want to be on the hot seat for failing.
Monkeygod |
@Monkeygod
I would ask that you not cyber stalk me or use me as an excuse for anything. I do not take things personally and I am not going to argue with anyone. Do what you think is best for yourself and that's the only answer you need.
How is playing in games with you cyber stalking you?
Hi, I play Vaki in the Lycan game.
In the drow game with Choon(City of Spiders), I played Phaenox.
I was also your GM for War of Ages, where you played Adinauf, and caused problems there too.
I also have several PCs in the Avalon game, and not that long ago, read the entire backlog of in game posts. You were also brought up in discussion when there were the issues with Johnny Panic, as the two of you played similar tech crazed PCs who were trying to out tech the setting.
While I do not recall your in game temperament in my War of Ages, Dorn, Igdus and Solivala are/were freakin a@!!~!&s who are absolutely no fun to play alongside.
Are you just incapable of making a PC who can even sorta get along with the other characters? Or do you just get off on playing a jerk, and annoying your fellow players??
Storyteller Shadow |
Dorn Xizurth wrote:@Monkeygod
I would ask that you not cyber stalk me or use me as an excuse for anything. I do not take things personally and I am not going to argue with anyone. Do what you think is best for yourself and that's the only answer you need.How is playing in games with you cyber stalking you?
Hi, I play Vaki in the Lycan game.
In the drow game with Choon(City of Spiders), I played Phaenox.
I was also your GM for War of Ages, where you played Adinauf, and caused problems there too.
I also have several PCs in the Avalon game, and not that long ago, read the entire backlog of in game posts. You were also brought up in discussion when there were the issues with Johnny Panic, as the two of you played similar tech crazed PCs who were trying to out tech the setting.
While I do not recall your in game temperament in my War of Ages, Dorn, Igdus and Solivala are/were freakin a&%%*$~s who are absolutely no fun to play alongside.
Are you just incapable of making a PC who can even sorta get along with the other characters? Or do you just get off on playing a jerk, and annoying your fellow players??
MG, please call out fellow players in PMs, not here in the Discussion thread. Personal attacks are not going to make a tense IC situation better and it will be difficult to run this game if this keeps happening in this forum in the manner. Thanks.
Storyteller Shadow |
I guess now I need to speak to Cyric from a metagaming point, feels like an odd dating show.
Try to avoid Metagaming like the sudden urge to stab him :-)
DM Dreadmaster |
I get that you don't want us to metagame but the possibilty of pissing you off is worth it if we can kill Cyric while he's mortal and skip the whole spell plague debacle,
Ah but remember as far as I'm concerned the spellplague was not a thing anyway. ;-)
DM Dreadmaster |
Haha, don't worry I'm not that kind of player, besides for all I know about your FR he might be radically different.
But I figured you ST, I know why do you don't like Cyric. It's because his the harbinger of 4E.
Actually I like Cyric. I don't blame him for the decisions of the 4E designers. I get why they made those decisions, I just did not agree with them. I've not purchased an official FR product since the 3.5 era as a result. Well, I got that Ed Greenwood Realms book but that a 2ed classic crunch type of book anyway.
DM Dreadmaster |
Fair enough, wasn't a fan of 4E myself. Large time skips that kill off your favourite characters does no good for the setting.
I think they were reacting to a vocal minority that hated a lot of the FR iconics.
I think they also felt they had to justify the rules changes and just wanted a "fresh start".
It was a bit TOO fresh for a lot of people though! Their loss became Paizo/Pathfinder's gain I think.
If the FR did not jump the timeline and scrap their Boards I probably would not have come to these boards at all! And I am sure I am not the only one.
Dorn Xizurth |
Why do you all tempt me so. I have spent years avoiding 4e rants, I failed at the start but been good for a few years. ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
All I will say about 4e is that in my opinion. They got greedy and did what many others have done sense then across many platforms of games and entertainment. They took a classic, flavorful, and well established world then broke it to fit their own vision in pursuit of revamping the gold mine without half the work. Destruction in the name of creation by the lazy and uninspired. They couldn't even come up with a original idea, evil god sucker punches the goddess of magic. Which has been killed and reincarnated like three times, because with nearly unlimited power just sort of the overgod itself she never see's it coming or is able to avoid it. Lesson never learned apparently.
Paizo did things the right way. They saw the flaws in the system and fixed them. Then they began the long process of building a world and setting brick by brick with a good foundation. They listened to the fans and what they wanted instead of thinking they knew better then them. WotC have suffered for it and have been trying to lure back those they lost. Sadly that time has passed and some will never return because they got something just as good or perhaps better in Pathfinder. The road they should have taken, instead of the one ending in a cliff.
I relapsed a little, apologies. Well at least no one brought up star trek. xP
Vorik Kessler |
While I hated a lot of the mechanical and design changes of 4e,
It was WotC destroying the Realms for no real reason that made me flat out refuse to buy/play/or other support 4e.
Not only did that utterly ignore their own published rules(there's no way Mystra could have been murdered in her home realm), not only did they ruin the best setting they had, with an incredible amount of fan support and history,
But they did I think just to be jerks, really.
They made FR their 'default' setting, which is cool, but it had to be ruined in order to fit their bizarre 'points of light' mentality.
Which would have been absolutely frackin perfect for Eberron!! Nobody would have truly minded if they shook things up a bit, as it was already a setting in flux.
Ja'far Mahavira |
Yeah Eberron was truly a diamond in the rough, I always liked that "Cold war" aspect to it.
Although I will say this, I still prefer a destroyed Realms over Golarion any day. The Cosmology and deities I find insufferable and they claim it to amazing "soup Kitchen" which the realms and even greyhawk were before it was it a wet dream in the devs minds.
Kyorruel Siluvanede |
My main beef with 4e is it always seemed to me that they killed off a bunch of deities in an attempt to make the world simpler while also making the game simpler to make it more attractive to more causal fans.
I hate the casualization of any media to attract a wider audience. There are no words I hate more than "attract a wider audience" because in my experience it always means the same thing, they gut the features I like for a bunch of casuals. Its so prevalent in videogames that it hurts me. A bunch of my favorite videogame series have had all their best features removed or scaled back to make them more attractive to others. Infuriating.
Rant over.
Vorik Kessler |
Yea, his staff was also involved, which actually made it even stupider.
Azuth's staff had trapped within it Savras, god of divination.
If I recall, they killed Azuth first, again, I believe in his home plane, by surprise, because somehow the freakin god of divinations wasn't able to warn him ahead of time.
Regradless, in 3.x, they had power check rules regarding divinity combat, and along with a ton of powerful benefits and bonuses in one's home plane.
It's practically impossible to kill a god in their home plane, even if you're another deity.
Dorn Xizurth |
How the goddess of magic, whose loyal number two has outlived her on two occasions I believe is the only one to be able to truly destroy her. Seems lazy to the extreme to me. If I was Azurth and I had the only weapon that could outright kill the goddess of magic. At best I would keep that sucker shrinken as a tiny needle, stuck inside my body at all times. Not to mention layer enough wards and protections on it that if even if a god stole it. They would end up like the last god who messed with Azurth did. Trapped inside the freakin staff if they managed to survive the booby traps on the thing. I digress.
I am not giving 5e a chance until I have a good enough reason. From what I heard as I have not looked into it much. Is that they basically hit reset on the world to prespellplague, changed the system again, and killed off a bunch of the 3e era well knowns in uncreative and absurd ways. I think the old sage is a cloud of magic now or something. -.-
Edwin McBride |
Mechanicaly 5e is good, but I like pathfinder more because it's a more robust system
DM Dreadmaster |
Mechanicaly 5e is good, but I like pathfinder more because it's a more robust system
I like 5E for it's simplicity.
A pain to run and play away from books though as there is no SRD to look up how spells and effects work.
Vorik Kessler |
I gave 5e a shot, playing one session with my friends, and while I had fun, it was just not for me. I didn't like a lot of the changes made, and while it was much better than 4e, it did not utterly blow my mind. Which is what it would need to have done to make me switch/play over PF.
DM Dreadmaster |
By the GODS! 72 posts since I last got on, You guys really are like 10x more active than me XD
Depends on the day!
I do an average of about 1,000 posts per month though, just spread out over 50 games or so.
Vorik Kessler |
Sorry, it seems I was signed out. Seeing as I have not signed out in years, I blame the site acting strange again. -.-
Post up shortly.
There was some weird glitch that every time you closed/left Paizo, it signed you out. Happened to me like 3 times earlier, but seems to have stabilized.
DM Dreadmaster |
Based on my schedule this weekend, the push along will come on Sunday night.
Feel free to RP in the meantime.
Dorn Xizurth |
With your stats you could go unchained rogue, investigator, alchemist, slayer, or swashbuckler easy. Maybe an occult class, but I have not looked into those enough to say much at the moment.
You going for a self buffer or a toucher magus? If you don't mind me asking. :)
DM Dreadmaster |
OK, we have advanced to Tilverton. We'll be here for as long or as short as you all wish to be :-)