Oren Mitabu |
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Well, so much for that plan.
I feel as guilty as if I had murdered them myself.
Yeah, I was not expecting that response. Pure evil from the damned demon. We have to kill him. Hard.
Nefertiti Abdul |
Nefertiti Abdul |
Lani, can you make potions of Protection from Evil if we can scrounge together enough cash?
Ke'ahilani |
Not by myself. I would need to use Cooperative Casting along with someone capable of casting that Divine spell. If that is the case then yes.
Also, does anyone know how long this wisdom damage lasts? This could be a problem for me.
Wedjat |
"Screee!"
A growing bird has got to eat, you know. Reknar and I can't be the only ones hunting and gathering. The last I checked, Aikane, Jacinth and Ke'ahilani also all could hunt. And I'm certain that even wimps like Nef, Oren and Rata could make a few untrained attempts to aid.
So get off your butts!
This is a PSA from the Hungry Eagles Action Team. I'm Wedjat, and I approved this message.
Jacinth Deepwarder |
Re: watch order - Sounds good Oren. I know casters usually prefer to take either first or last watch so depending on whether we want to double up on any watches or not, I'm guessing Nef would either want to take first or last watch as well. That would leave the rest of us to divvy up the middle watches as we see fit. Or we could try and let Nef and Oren get as much rest as they can while the rest of us divide the watches among ourselves.
Wedjat |
"Screeeee!"
Dudes, my charisma is SIX. If I can try to aid another Diplomacy, y'all can try too. Remember that Underdog actually has a rank in diplomacy if Reknar does, which brings his base skill for aid another up to 0! Anyone can do it untrained.
Nefertiti Abdul |
Apparently, math is not Wedjat's strong point. A charisma 6 familiar with a rank in diplomacy has a +2 modifier not a +0.
Nefertiti Abdul |
Okay, so who here has wisdom damage other than Nef and 'Lani? And has everyone recovered one day's worth of wisdom damage, including our charges?
Nef currently has a -7 to her wisdom since she recovered one overnight. So her wisdom is 7.
Jacinth Deepwarder |
I do and maybe Oren, but leave J for later if need be; wisdom isn't as big a deal for her aside from a small penalty to her Will save.
-Posted with Wayfinder
Nefertiti Abdul |
Okay, I finally found the Kraken post where the four of us got hit with wisdom damage.
Nef and Lani are the ones who most need help with will recovery, especially since regaining spells is tied to rest and will saves right now.
And our charges have been hit so often with debilitating will effects that they cannot even make the will saves to recover at night without help. Assuming we survive this, I'll be carrying nothing but Lesser Restorations on the trip back, trying to help them heal.
Status summation:
- Jacinth's wisdom is -4, and she had no recovery. Her current wisdom total is 9.
- Oren's wisdom is -1, and he had no recovery. His current wisdom total is 9.
- Lani's wisdom is -4, and he had no recovery. His current wisdom is 6, and he had a terrible will save to begin with.
- Nef's wisdom used to be -8, but she had recovery to bring that up to a -7. Her total wisdom is currently a 7.
BTW, the Kraken's dice luck for wisdom damage was impressive. 5 bites, 4 at maximum damage.
Nefertiti Abdul |
Okay, I've fixed myself and Lani. Oren, I'm crossing my fingers that you make your will save tonight!
PS Maybe this will start a revival of interest in Horus!
Nefertiti Abdul |
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Oren Mitabu |
If anyone has ever seen Ace Vemture: When Nature Calls. In the Circle of Death....
"No one told me the Watchoochoo tribe were a bunch of biters!"
Who inflict massive wisdom damage!
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Hey Gang, it may be time for an OOC discussion. I admit that like Reknar and Oren, I'm awfully tempted to let Aikane play babysitter and go to the sidelines of the plot. However, Aikane is a PC, and we're making decisions about his character without consulting the player.
So... Instead of beating about the bush, maybe we should talk with Aikane about what our problems are?
My problems with Aikane are the following:
- He doesn't communicate;
- He appears to be no longer truly interested in our game.
But perhaps if we talk to Aikane as a group, we can find a better solution to this than just voting his character out of the action.
Hmm
Reknar. |
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Reknar's comment was based on how Aikane, the character acts - he is nonchalant and seems disinterested of what is going on around us.
We can imagine/RP our characters freely the way we wish - that is the beauty of the game - other character's reactions will happen according to how you RP your character - and that is also the beauty of the game :D
If one 'seems' detached for real life reasons, and points it out OOC, then one reasoning may be that the 'character' is not detached, but the player is busy otherwise, which is perfectly understandable.
If one 'seems' detached, and indeed wants to play their character like that, it is also perfectly understandable, as there are many ways to build bridges (being this a group game) even for a loner/silent/introspective one.
Still, until those bridges are built, and after a few attempts are made (and at least some have been made), it is also perfectly reasonable that other characters will act distant towards the loner. At a certain point, I thought Aikane was not interested in the game, but since he never actually said it, I am assuming this is simply how he wants to play his character (actually I really dig loner characters) - he should play in whichever way is fun for him.
I will play Reknar the same way, and he wouldn't react very well to someone he doesn't see as a team player - even if his perception is wrong, he would voice it, like he just did :D
Nefertiti Abdul |
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I completely agree that Reknar's proposal makes sense in character. I also agree that numerous attempts have been made to involve Aikane in the action that Aikane has declined.
I wanted to open up this discussion because I don't want the player blindsided. I worry that Aikane's player might not realize how his character is being perceived by the rest of us.
In Aikane's defense... Early on, Aikane did one action in particular that helped out the entire team. He arranged a backup rescue mission that he never told any of us about. (One could argue that telling us about that might have been helpful and/or downright timely after we saw our own boat sink... but that's another story.)
However, recently he has been uninvolved. We've received no communications from him in or out of character. He's shown up for the occasional combat, but he hasn't offered his skills to help the group in any other way. No knowledge skills, no participation in group decisions, and he even declined to help with food gathering.
OOC... Nefertiti is loyal to a fault to those she considers friends. In the backstory of Aikane / Zem / Nef, Aikane's skills kept the three of them alive in the wilderness. For this reason, up to now, she's been incredibly loyal to Aikane. However the character and personality of Aikane in gameplay has been incredibly different from what was originally proposed. So different, that even Nef's fervent loyalty is starting to slip.
Oren Mitabu |
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Yeah, he doesn't seem interested in the game anymore. Not sure the reason, but we need to figure something out.
Jacinth Deepwarder |
Though I agree that IC Reknar and Oren's suggestion makes sense based on what has and hasn't occurred in gameplay up to this point, OOC I am/was obviously rather reluctant to essentially vote someone off the island (heh) without their say-so. I also feel that J's note about Aikane being with them at all is both relevant IC and OOC; he has not opted to drop the game despite being free to do so at any time.
I will admit that sometimes it would be nice to get some sort of communication if things are keeping someone away or distracted from a game. It doesn't need to go into great detail, just a succinct, "Life is keeping me busy, please bot me for right now" would be fine; no need to share anything personal unless a player feels comfortable with doing so.
Also along the lines of communication, I also feel it would be good for both the DM and players to speak up if they aren't enjoying the game for whatever reason. Whether they don't care for some aspect of the gameplay or the story or whether they have issues with another player, these things can't be fixed if they aren't even discussed. Once again, it can be a group discussion or simply dropping a PM to either the DM or other players. Communication is key to any sort of successful relationship, including the relationships between the DM and their players and among the players themselves.
Aikane Redvane |
I completely agree that Reknar's proposal makes sense in character. I also agree that numerous attempts have been made to involve Aikane in the action that Aikane has declined.
I wanted to open up this discussion because I don't want the player blindsided. I worry that Aikane's player might not realize how his character is being perceived by the rest of us.
In Aikane's defense... Early on, Aikane did one action in particular that helped out the entire team. He arranged a backup rescue mission that he never told any of us about. (One could argue that telling us about that might have been helpful and/or downright timely after we saw our own boat sink... but that's another story.)
However, recently he has been uninvolved. We've received no communications from him in or out of character. He's shown up for the occasional combat, but he hasn't offered his skills to help the group in any other way. No knowledge skills, no participation in group decisions, and he even declined to help with food gathering.
OOC... Nefertiti is loyal to a fault to those she considers friends. In the backstory of Aikane / Zem / Nef, Aikane's skills kept the three of them alive in the wilderness. For this reason, up to now, she's been incredibly loyal to Aikane. However the character and personality of Aikane in gameplay has been incredibly different from what was originally proposed. So different, that even Nef's fervent loyalty is starting to slip.
So let me just say, you have my email. In my personal opinion this would have been a great time to PM or email me.
TL;DR Aikane is like a lynx.
Reality check: sometimes it seems this game in particular chugs along at 20 posts per day. I can't keep up with that in real life. Before I read the rest of the posts in discussion further down, let me just jump in here. I have a busy life. Kraken bots as needed. I get that.
Just on the Paizo boards, I am playing in one fast-paced game (this one), one medium-paced game, GMing one medium-paced game, and playing in one slow-paced game. If I am posting too slow to keep up, and Kraken is tired of botting my actions, then perhaps I do not belong here.
Let's talk mechanics first, this is Pathfinder after all. Originally Aikane was the only rogue in the party. It seemed like he had a real purpose then. He was (and hopefully still is) the skill specialist/frontiersman/scout for the group. Let's be frank, Aikane does not have ranged capability. He is not high optimized or brutal in combat. Christ, Aikane had to jump overboard in order to attack the sea monster last time. If Reknar hadn't slain it, he would be chum right now. (honestly, I meant that thanks Reknar).
So, on to the, on to the, on to the Roleplaying.
Aikane IS NOT Tulita. Nor is he QADIRAN/FOREIGN. He's a MENEHUNE. He's half your size, and he doesn't agree with everything the crew has done, but as far as he is concerned, they are biggers, and they always do bigger things. That's what lets a little roofrunner go by unnoticed most of the time. Aikane Thought incoming (rp): Besides, they would all be get themselves killed without me here. He's a menehune who couldn't reintegrate into his village after his rumspringah. He has a death wish, but more importantly, wants to upset the plans of evil.
=for example 1: desire to upset the reigning foreign order in port shaw.
=for example 2: wants to stand up to the evil force behind this island.
He's good. I don't know if he's nice however. Given his reaction to the ship sinking, it should be clear that he doesn't cry over spilt milk.
Let's talk story(line) now.
Go back to Shaw. We could have all tried to sneak into the bathouse together, but we didn't. When she leveled with him, Nef tried to ask Aikane to help out a man he hates with a passion, Bonedeucebag. The crew decided to buy an old, allegedly cursed, junker, and work it themselves.
1)What lazy criminal wants to be a sailor. 2)Who wants to own the ship they are sailing into dangerous waters.
Aikane wanted to buy an adamant harpoon and kill the mad whale, but the group decided to go with Whale (capital "W") and that is A-OK.
And then we get on a ship for a long time
Aside: Nothing against kraken, or any other DM I have played with. I just don't enjoy ship bits as a player. It always seems so much less interesting than wilderness navigation. There is more of an illusion of safety on boats.
Aikane slips down into the slave ship alone, and pockets some pearls. Apparently y'all aren't fans of Aikane pocketing pearls and the like. I thought we had resolved that, but let me emphasize, if you asked Aikane if he had any money or valuables on him, he would tell you exactly what he was carrying.
And then we go to the island. Aikane is essentially reacting to what goes on around him at this point.He actually feels at home on the island. This is what he came for, his deathwish. He interjects where he thinks he needs to, otherwise withdrawing into his jungle-self. Aikane is like a lynx. If you treat him like a star on a telenovella, then you might not get the answer you want.
Oren Mitabu |
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Since July 24, you've made one in game post and it was just a Will save with nothing else attached. Unless I missed a post.
Withdrawing into yourself is one thing. Not posting at all is something else. In my opinion, of course. There are ways to indicate withdrawal by making posts. That way everyone else knows things are still okay.
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You're right that I should have PM'ed you about this discussion when I started it. I guess that I figured you'd read it earlier, and we could all talk. This was a mistake, and in retrospect it seems inconsiderate.
I'm sorry. I'm usually better than this.
I'm glad that you still want to be here, and that you have a vision for who Aikane is in the game. Your vision for Aikane is interesting, and I feel I understand him a little better now.
Thank you.
The Kraken |
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Aikane,
While this is the kind of discussion that would be better suited for PMs I must thank you for posting here as it does clear up several concerns I have. I have no problem at all with how you play Aikane (he is a menehune, after all) but OTOH the lack of posts were a concern as well. Even posting something in discussion is acceptable to me. Still the only time I will bot a player is during combat if they do not post, or in other certain situations, like this one.
Also a note on the ship journey: I freely admit the way I handled the ship voyage dragged on WAAAY too long. I will rectify that for future ship voyages...and while you won't always be on a ship, there WILL be ship voyages. It is part of the campaign after all.
The Kraken has spoken!
Aikane Redvane |
Nah nah, ship voyage was super quick relatively speaking. Seriously, stellar job, Kraken.
As to RL: guys, when I am too busy to post, I am too busy to post. if that's a problem for this group, then I'll drop out.
Nefertiti Abdul |
Lani, for all the grief that i give you in game, thanks for making me laugh out loud. I giggled like a maniac last night while reading your post. It was hilarious, in character and awesome.
Reknar. |
People, just wanted to let you know I am going on vacations with my family next Monday, and won't be back until Sunday.
Tomorrow I am probably available to post, and during the remaining days I should have access to a laptop and internet, but as you may presume, RPG is not going to be a priority during these days - it is possible that I may drop a line or three, but feel free to bot me at any given point if needed.
Nefertiti Abdul |
Gang, I want to apologize for being slow to respond here. I'm running a module via play by post that has a hard deadline of finishing before September 19th. The quick pace of play that has required has taken up much of my bandwidth for the past week.
I'll try to be more prompt in responding though so that this game can keep moving forward too!
Hmm
Nefertiti Abdul |
We're going into a holiday weekend, and both Aikane and Reknar have posted that they're on vacation or busy. Do we want to go on hiatus until Tuesday?
The Kraken |
It was a blast Aikane! You shall be sorely missed! (And not just for your tasty skin either, he he.)
OK guys, since we have now lost two players here. I have a couple of options here:
1) I could bot both Rata Fenn and Aikane (like I have been doing a lot recently, he he). While I have no problem with doing this I feel this is taking away from the player's enjoyment of the game here.
2) I could end the game right here. This, obviously, is the least satisfying option here. FULL DISCLOSURE: I do plan to end this game no matter what once you finish with the demon which means you have completed the module. I have struggled with maintaining this game since my workload increased and I feel that is the best decision for myself and everyone here.
3) I could allow two of you to play Rata Fenn and Aikane for the remainder of this game. The dungeon you are about to enter is not very large so that would work for the short time you are there. I will let you decide who plays which character. My recommendations: Jacinth plays Rata Fenn, and Reknar plays Aikane.
Let me know what you guys want to do here, or if you have a different suggestion I am all tentacles...err...ears, he he.
Nefertiti Abdul |
Take care, Aikane.
Eric, I've asked Bret to see if he might be interested in botting either Aikane or Rata.
As for you ending the campaign after we defeat the demon, that will make it easier for Nef to go chasing Zem. I realized that she would not stay with group after this because she was in love with her warrior.
Can we hang around long enough to see if we can free the whale? And to see a certain face on a certain ship?
Nefertiti Abdul |
Ooh... Reknar the Cavalier, at 18th level riding around on his... where is that horse of yours, anyway?
Oren Mitabu |
I'm cool with finishing this thing out!
And I think Nef should GM an adventure path and let all us play in it! Hint hint.
The Kraken |
OK, the Kraken will give his blessing on Bret botting Aikane for the remainder of the game. As for sticking around to find a certain ship...well we shall see about that.
"Reknar, of course I will stick around so you can gain 18th level! Cavaliers are quite crunchy and taste good with ketchup! And since your mount has vanished..." :D
Jacinth, you may bot Rata Renn here. Just keep things PG OK :P
Nefertiti Abdul |
Ah, Oren!
Nef is currently GMing Risen from the Sands (birthplace of her Osirion-born mother, Annetke!) BTW, if you haven't checked gameplay recently, two charming and unlikely ladies have shown up... I think that I've done a good job so far with this module, even if it was a poorly written module to begin with.
An AP is unlikely. Serial PFS adventures are more likely -- they finish quick and have reasonable end dates. This makes taking breaks easier. Any special requests for PFS, Oren? I'll likely try to do a second one within the PBP Gameplay day window if Overflow Archives finishes early.
I know that Jacinth is thinking of playing something in PFS, and you, the Kraken and Reknar all have PFS characters.