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Unless you've already done it on this character, it's not a problem.
Being an evergreen, you can run this on every character you create for society play before level 3.
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GM, she was going to go on another adventure but was not able to do so where she needed a cold weather outfit (she also bought some holy water, alchemist fire, I think some acid, and a few potions and a scroll. This should be on my Herolab file. Can I sell the cold weather outfit since it won't be needed for full price since she technically never used it? [/ooc]
I went through the posted profile and this is what she bought:
potion of cure light wounds (3), potion of mage armor , alchemist's fire (2), holy water (2);
GM, she was going to go on another adventure but was not able to do so where she needed a cold weather outfit (she also bought some holy water, alchemist fire, I think some acid, and a few potions and a scroll. This should be on my Herolab file. Can I sell the cold weather outfit since it won't be needed for full price since she technically never used it?
As long as you haven't played a session with the cold-weather outfit, it's a non-issue. It'd simply be as if you'd never purchased it.
It is implied via the Bard's Lore Master skill that knowledge isn't a skill you can take 10 on. I'm unsure if it is explicitly spelled out whether you can or cannot elsewhere.
Strange, the Bard's Lore Master (CRB 38) does indeed grant them the right to take 10 on any knowledge check they have ranks in.
Yet I don't see anything in the description of the Knowledge Skill (CRB 99) or in the rules for Taking 10 (CRB 88) preventing other characters from taking 10 on any Knowledge check they may attempt (Knowledge checks they have ranks in, or with DCs of 10 or less).Meanwhile, Use Magic Device has a clause in its special rules specifically prohibiting a character from Taking 10 (CRB 109). Actually, Use Magic Device is the only skill in the Core Rulebook with such a clause... I don't see anything in the FAQ or PFS Clarifications regarding this either. It looks like errata fuel to me.
I suspect that Lore Master is supposed to allow the Bard to "always Take 10" on Knowledge Check in the same way that a Rogue's Skill Mastery Advanced Rogue Talent does. Such that experienced bards can identify monsters even while being eaten by them.
EDIT:
I even found a post by James Jacobs from 2012 that agrees with my interpretation. Granted, it isn't an official source for PFS. Obviously GM RePete can also declare at any time that a character was too distracted to Take 10 (being surprised by a talking frog appearing out of nowhere is certainly distracting in the aforementioned case)
Hmmm....I may be wrong.
Since taking 20 assumes that your character will fail many times before succeeding, your character would automatically incur any penalties for failure before he or she could complete the task (hence why it is generally not allowed with skills that carry such penalties). Common "take 20" skills include Disable Device (when used to open locks), Escape Artist, and Perception (when attempting to find traps).
I was under the impression the fail assumption was part of take 10 as well, but not seeing it... My reasoning was the inability to "try again' on Knowledge skills.
And to further prove me wrong....
James Jacob Creative Director --> "You can take 10 on knowledge checks, as with all checks. The bard lore master ability lets a bard take 10 at all times, even in the middle of combat."
To be fair, I have a lot of spare time, and I've been rules lawyering some edition of D&D or another for twenty five years.
Regardless, I think we can both agree that my character would have been too distracted by Giri's "sudden" appearance to take 10 on that Knowledge check (Vaetta's perception is not good enough to have ever beaten Giri's Stealth check on her own, even taking 20). Luckily I made the Knowledge check anyway, so she knows the basics.
I might be a rules lawyer... but I try to remain a reasonable one.
Taking 10 is one of my favorite underused Pathfinder Rules, because it explains how working folk can do a consistent job every day in and day out in a world where success is normally governed by die rolls.
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I also checked the rules... And indeed... Could find nothing on the take 10 part for Knowledge checks. But somehow everyone knows not to take 10 on knowledge checks? Odd... But I do agree with the rulings! :)
To let you know: Giri can take 10 on climb, also in combat and such situation. This is due the climb speed he has. He still has to make the climb check but is able to traverse the easy surfaces with take 10.
Please don't take it personally.
Veatta definitely took it a little personally, but she grew up in Korvosa so she's already used to Chelaxians walking all over her pride. Personally, I thought it was a hilarious put down.
Strategically I only hope that if we suddenly end up in combat you being up front doesn't cause you to draw too much attention. Emma has the lowest AC in the group, even with magic.
I hope you do not mind, but I took the liberty of moving one of the random people to the nearest empty table, and then moved Emma and Vaeta up to the bar adjacent to Lutorinus (per current events in the Gameplay thread)... I also corrected a few minor typos in the Key at the bottom (changing "Hafling" to "Halfling", and "tomb" to "Tome").
This puts Lutorinus and Emma Squeezing into square H9, Vaetta standing in square J9, and Giri in square M7, and the Random Person in square I10 (instead of next to Lutorinus in H9) (Counting the top left square as A1; Letters are Vertical coordinates and Numbers are Horizontal coordinates)
No problem here. Moved Emma to her own square though. Don't think she knows Lutorinus that well yet. ;-)
Psychologically speaking, a person's "personal space" extends about 3 feet in front of them, but only about 1 foot behind or to either side. So realistically speaking a 5 foot square is more than enough room for two humans (even strangers) to occupy comfortably.
However this is Pathfinder, so realism need not apply! Mechanically speaking, if/when the **** hits the fan, Emma and Lutorinus will be glad not to suffer the penalties that come with Squeezing.
Vaetta, are you using the faction cards?
Is there any detriment to doing so?
This is my first PFS character. I simply downloaded everything I could find, which included the Season 8 Faction Cards.
Not to my knowledge. I'm just not overly familiar with them since they are fairly new. At work currently, so I will have to take a look at them when I get home.
Just wanted to make sure I was on the 'same page' you were regarding your question.
@Emma Greyfrost
Even assuming you had taken the 10 minutes to forge one (or that Vaetta would have let you), your Empathic Bond only conveys my emotional state to you, it isn't a form of communication.
Therefore I am assuming you cast Message as a Knack.
That spell doesn't allow telepathic communication either, messages can be overheard, require that you actually whisper, and that I whisper in return to communicate back. The spell also requires that you point at me, and comes with all of the obvious displays that come with spellcasting. Spells, even psychic ones, can be identified. Regardless of their lack of verbal or somatic components.
She didn't use her special ability.
Are we using the faction cards?
If you wish to use them, you may.
I've brushed up on the rules for them now. Keep in mind, you can only accomplish one goal per scenario. Though I haven't found a ruling that states you can't take 10 on a check for them, I would prefer a roll on the goals that require a skill check. Doesn't seem sporting to me to just take 10 all the way to the faction bonuses.
I have no issue with you attempting an easy goal and waiting until the end to take credit on the card. In essence hedging your bets as you may succeed at a more difficult goal later on.
For the record I am a big fan of the spell Telekinetic Projectile. I always thought there should be a way to do that with mage hand.
It's not mage hand, but it's nice they finally gave an option for it.
I just wish there were a few more PFS legal 0th level attack spells, like Jolt.
Point-Blank Shot (Combat)
You are especially accurate when making ranged attacks against close targets.
Benefit: You get a +1 bonus on attack and damage rolls with ranged weapons at ranges of up to 30 feet.
Weapon Focus (Combat)
Choose one type of weapon. You can also choose unarmed strike or grapple (or ray, if you are a spellcaster) as your weapon for the purposes of this feat.
Prerequisites: Proficiency with selected weapon, base attack bonus +1.
Benefit: You gain a +1 bonus on all attack rolls you make using the selected weapon.
Special: You can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new type of weapon
Why must Random Number Generators hate me so!?
Jeez Vaetta! Here, lets shame those dice!
Using a pencil, GM RePete pokes the die towards Vaetta... "Try this one next time."
Understood. Thanks for the heads up. :-D
Giri, big fan of the toad licking. Guessing it's for flavor and not actually partaking of drugs? :-P